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  • Laura Sims
    Hello Donna, A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my
    Message 1 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
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      Hello Donna,

      A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
      was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
      solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
      the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
      come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
      with acrylics.

      Good luck,
      Laura
      Indigo Stone
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      > I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the
      > knowledge to
      > answer all the questions about marbling to help
      > others. But I don't.
      > People have been marbling for eons...
      >
      > As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the
      > liquid oils also,
      > and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried
      > thinning the tube
      > oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a
      > big oil slick on
      > the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank.
      > Anyhow, I did
      > give up because the fumes started to get to me.
      >
      > Which brings out my next point. Marbling with
      > acrylic paints and
      > watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know).
      > Everybody's body is
      > different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible
      > for you to have a
      > reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in
      > certain foods.
      > Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution
      > while using them.
      >
      > The only thing I can tell you, especially if you
      > have a lot of money
      > invested in this art-form (as I do) is to
      > experiment.
      >
      > I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and
      > actually tried it
      > once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only
      > tried it once.
      > So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled
      > a piece of canvas
      > yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it
      > to, (it looked
      > terrible) but I'm going to try again.
      >
      > It came out kinda interesting, but not all that
      > good. It had lots of
      > hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I
      > rinsed it, the color
      > rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left
      > intense areas, and
      > pale patches on the canvas.
      >
      > If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know
      > how it works for
      > you.
      >
      > I believe the main thing about the art of marbling
      > is to not give up.
      >
      > Donna
      >
      >
      >




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    • Caroline Tigeress
      ... I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone has had any
      Message 2 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
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        Laura Sims wrote:

        >Hello Donna,
        >
        >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
        >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
        >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
        >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
        >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
        >with acrylics.
        >
        >
        I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
        liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
        has had any sucess in marbling silk?

        Caroline
      • gretchen vansant
        Caroline,I,ve been lurking here for a few years ,mostly because I,ve never marbled paper. I am a fabric marbler.I,ve marbled everything from silk to
        Message 3 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
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          Caroline,I,ve been lurking here for a few years ,mostly because I,ve never marbled paper. I am a fabric marbler.I,ve marbled everything from silk to corduroy. Alot of fabrics work,the smoother,silkier the better.I,m sure canvas would work if you smooth it out first.Washing, or an electric piller work great at times for me. But its not always the material,its your bath,or size,and the paints you use,Its the correct combination that makes it 'work'.All I can say is experiment ,experiment,its a "beautiful thing'. peace Gretchen marbledfabric.com

          Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote: Laura Sims wrote:

          >Hello Donna,
          >
          >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
          >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
          >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
          >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
          >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
          >with acrylics.
          >
          >
          I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
          liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
          has had any sucess in marbling silk?

          Caroline



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        • Brent Mydland
          You should have very GOOD luck using silk. It usually always works, its very expensive but worth it. Remember not to iron or heat set until you have
          Message 4 of 22 , Aug 17, 2004
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            You should have very GOOD luck using silk.

            It usually always works, its very expensive but worth it.

            Remember not to iron or heat set until you have nuetralized/removed the alum from the fabric or it will turn into a strong acid and desinegrate the fiber, just a slight hand wash shjould do it drip dry.

            If your still not sure I can help ya make a nuertal solution.

            Marble the silk and post the results! Cant wait! enjoy!

            JBG



            Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote: Laura Sims wrote:

            >Hello Donna,
            >
            >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
            >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
            >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
            >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
            >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
            >with acrylics.
            >
            >
            I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
            liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
            has had any sucess in marbling silk?

            Caroline



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          • Laura Sims
            Dear Caroline, True Blue Art Store in Asheville, NC, 828-251-0028 and Arrowmont School of Arts & Crafts, Gatlinburg, TN, 865-436-5860 ext.25 (Bonnie) sell a
            Message 5 of 22 , Aug 17, 2004
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              Dear Caroline,

              True Blue Art Store in Asheville, NC, 828-251-0028 and
              Arrowmont School of Arts & Crafts, Gatlinburg, TN,
              865-436-5860 ext.25 (Bonnie) sell a close weave,
              smooth surface canvas that will work. As for silks,
              taffeta, Thai silks (not the company)and silk noils
              (raw silk) can be tricky, but the others work well.
              Thai Silk, 1-800-722-SILK is a good place to start.
              They have yardage and scarf blanks.

              I use Golden on methyl cellulose if you want to try
              that sometime.

              Good Luck, Laura
              Indigo Stone

              --- Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:

              >
              > You should have very GOOD luck using silk.
              >
              > It usually always works, its very expensive but
              > worth it.
              >
              > Remember not to iron or heat set until you have
              > nuetralized/removed the alum from the fabric or it
              > will turn into a strong acid and desinegrate the
              > fiber, just a slight hand wash shjould do it drip
              > dry.
              >
              > If your still not sure I can help ya make a nuertal
              > solution.
              >
              > Marble the silk and post the results! Cant wait!
              > enjoy!
              >
              > JBG
              >
              >
              >
              > Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote:
              > Laura Sims wrote:
              >
              > >Hello Donna,
              > >
              > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do
              > not
              > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
              > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
              > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
              > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
              > >with acrylics.
              > >
              > >
              > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as
              > sucessful as I would have
              > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was
              > wondering if anyone
              > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
              >
              > Caroline
              >
              >
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            • Angela Drake
              Caroline, Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors beautifully. I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how I
              Message 6 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
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                Caroline,

                Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                beautifully.

                I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                start.

                Angie


                --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                wrote:
                > Laura Sims wrote:
                >
                > >Hello Donna,
                > >
                > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                > >with acrylics.
                > >
                > >
                > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                have
                > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                anyone
                > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                >
                > Caroline
              • Brent Mydland
                Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90! That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as
                Message 7 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
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                  Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                  That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                  Peace and Love Johnny



                  Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                  Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                  beautifully.

                  I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                  I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                  would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                  start.

                  Angie


                  --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                  wrote:
                  > Laura Sims wrote:
                  >
                  > >Hello Donna,
                  > >
                  > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                  > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                  > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                  > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                  > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                  > >with acrylics.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                  have
                  > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                  anyone
                  > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                  >
                  > Caroline


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                • gretchen vansant
                  Johnney, I d be interested in your directions for mounting/ frameing. thanks gretchen Brent Mydland wrote: Yes, I have framed silk
                  Message 8 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
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                    Johnney, I'd be interested in your directions for mounting/ frameing. thanks gretchen

                    Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:
                    Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                    That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                    Peace and Love Johnny



                    Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                    Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                    beautifully.

                    I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                    I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                    would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                    start.

                    Angie


                    --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                    wrote:
                    > Laura Sims wrote:
                    >
                    > >Hello Donna,
                    > >
                    > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                    > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                    > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                    > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                    > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                    > >with acrylics.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                    have
                    > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                    anyone
                    > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                    >
                    > Caroline


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                  • Caroline Tigeress
                    I have interest in this. Can it be stretched like an oil canvas on a wood frame? Like a gallery wrap? Caroline
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                      I have interest in this. Can it be stretched like an oil canvas on
                      a wood frame? Like a gallery wrap?

                      Caroline


                      Brent Mydland wrote:

                      >Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!
                      >
                      >That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!
                      >
                      >Peace and Love Johnny
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,
                      >
                      >Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                      >beautifully.
                      >
                      >I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                      >I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                      >would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                      >start.
                      >
                      >Angie
                      >
                      >
                      >--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                      >wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      >>Laura Sims wrote:
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>>Hello Donna,
                      >>>
                      >>>A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                      >>>was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                      >>>solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                      >>>the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                      >>>come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                      >>>with acrylics.
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >> I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                      >>
                      >>
                      >have
                      >
                      >
                      >>liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                      >>
                      >>
                      >anyone
                      >
                      >
                      >>has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                      >>
                      >> Caroline
                      >>
                      >>
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                    • marblehead@iwon.com
                      Johnny, I d love to see these instructions. Thanks, Ann ... From: Brent Mydland [mailto: jbg78734@yahoo.com] To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug
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                        Johnny, I'd love to see these instructions.

                        Thanks,

                        Ann




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                        Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!<BR>
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                        That is truly where� it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!<BR>
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                        Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,<BR>
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                        Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors <BR>
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                        I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how <BR>
                        I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them <BR>
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                        > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best.� I do not<BR>
                        > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum<BR>
                        > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.).� With my hand I press<BR>
                        > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles <BR>
                        > >come out of the canvas.� Drip dry, iron and marble<BR>
                        > >with acrylics.<BR>
                        > >� <BR>
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                      • Angela Drake
                        Johnny, Thanks so much! I think there is enough interest to share the info with all but will also email you off-line! Angie ... it so that its archival as I
                        Message 11 of 22 , Aug 23, 2004
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                          Johnny,

                          Thanks so much! I think there is enough interest to share the info
                          with all but will also email you off-line!

                          Angie

                          --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Brent Mydland <jbg78734@y...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!
                          >
                          > That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount
                          it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that
                          mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping.
                          Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak
                          up if there is enough interest!
                          >
                          > Peace and Love Johnny
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Angela Drake <angiedrake@h...> wrote: Caroline,
                          >
                          > Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                          > beautifully.
                          >
                          > I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and
                          how
                          > I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of
                          them
                          > would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                          > start.
                          >
                          > Angie
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress
                          <c.tigeress@c...>
                          > wrote:
                          > > Laura Sims wrote:
                          > >
                          > > >Hello Donna,
                          > > >
                          > > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                          > > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                          > > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                          > > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                          > > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                          > > >with acrylics.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I
                          would
                          > have
                          > > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                          > anyone
                          > > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                          > >
                          > > Caroline
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                        • Brent Mydland
                          I have made contact with teacher and am getting the info together, I will be back in a day or two with the news. Thanks Johnny Brent Mydland
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                            I have made contact with teacher and am getting the info together,

                            I will be back in a day or two with the news.

                            Thanks Johnny



                            Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:
                            Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                            That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                            Peace and Love Johnny



                            Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                            Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                            beautifully.

                            I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                            I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                            would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                            start.

                            Angie


                            --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                            wrote:
                            > Laura Sims wrote:
                            >
                            > >Hello Donna,
                            > >
                            > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                            > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                            > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                            > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                            > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                            > >with acrylics.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                            have
                            > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                            anyone
                            > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                            >
                            > Caroline


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                          • angel_100_100
                            I would like instructions too. Thanks, Angel ... it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not
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                              I would like instructions too.

                              Thanks,

                              Angel


                              > Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!<BR>
                              > <BR>
                              > That is truly where  it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount
                              it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that
                              mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping.
                              Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak
                              up if there is enough interest!<BR>
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