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  • Brent Mydland
    Just say NO! the canvass prob wont take the paint very well..... the T shirt delima is like a major hassle about the white streeks Thats just the way it is!
    Message 1 of 22 , Jul 10, 2004
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      Just say NO!

      the canvass prob wont take the paint very well.....

      the T shirt delima is like a major hassle about the white streeks

      Thats just the way it is! Ive marbled thousands of T shirts there is no real way around it, color it in ,if some one is so concerned about the white streeks they might not understand the process...then do they appreciate it Really??

      I put down my fabric paints 8 years ago and people ask me all the time for them, even some famous musicians BEG me for them, the awnswer is that is not what I do anymore, I now marble on my own handmade tile with my own hand made inks and glazes . That is a feat in itsself, the clients have changed.the whole studio is differnt. as is life.

      So if you make the t shirt you must set up your studio and invest much time and money and prey for results that are satisfactory for some one who wants a perfect T....Um send her to anothers site to purchase and then make your own work for your ownmuse with out the stress....

      I think Marjorie Bevis has a site marbled fabrics.com send her there............

      Just my 2 cents...

      I cant wait to marble and sumi some paper soon............

      I love marbling and am glad that people here do too....

      so keep up the great work and let those colors dance!

      Peace Johnny



      enigmaticmatrix <Weshabak@...> wrote: Hi everyone!
      I am a longtime lurker here, but now I need help.

      I marbled a T-shirt about 15 years ago, and I was wearing it at a
      craft fair the other day when a lady asked me where I got it. I told
      her I made it and she said she absolutly HAS to have one.

      I attempted to marble shirts a looooong time ago, but I was not
      satisfied with the results because of the white streaks along the
      sides of the shirts, so I quit doing it. Anyhow, I think I can
      remember how to marble the shirts, but she says that she is also a
      bag freak and she would LOVE a marbled bag.

      The problem is, she has a "brand new, not yet used" canvas bag that
      she wants me to marble, and I told her that I will! (sob)

      Can someone PLEASE PLEEEEeeeease help me out here???

      1) How can I marble her T-Shirt and avoid getting the white streaks
      from when you flip the shirt over...

      2) How am I supposed to marble on CANVAS???? I am an artist, and I
      work on canvas, but I stretch it and apply gesso first, then use oil
      paints to create my masterpieces :^}. Seriously though, If it is
      possible, how do you marble canvas? Should I gesso it first? This is
      a pre-sewn bag, it looks like the brown paper bags you pack a child's
      lunch in, but it's bigger. It's not made complicated at all, just
      basic, but... why, oh WHY did I stick my foot in my mouth!!!!

      I hope I hear from someone soon!!!

      Thanks!
      Donna


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    • enigmaticmatrix
      I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the knowledge to answer all the questions about marbling to help others. But I don t. People have been marbling
      Message 2 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
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        I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the knowledge to
        answer all the questions about marbling to help others. But I don't.
        People have been marbling for eons...

        As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the liquid oils also,
        and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried thinning the tube
        oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a big oil slick on
        the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank. Anyhow, I did
        give up because the fumes started to get to me.

        Which brings out my next point. Marbling with acrylic paints and
        watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know). Everybody's body is
        different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible for you to have a
        reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in certain foods.
        Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution while using them.

        The only thing I can tell you, especially if you have a lot of money
        invested in this art-form (as I do) is to experiment.

        I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and actually tried it
        once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only tried it once.
        So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled a piece of canvas
        yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it to, (it looked
        terrible) but I'm going to try again.

        It came out kinda interesting, but not all that good. It had lots of
        hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I rinsed it, the color
        rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left intense areas, and
        pale patches on the canvas.

        If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know how it works for
        you.

        I believe the main thing about the art of marbling is to not give up.

        Donna
      • del.mary.stubbs
        Hi everyone - I have been curious about this for a long time..... I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the paints out while on
        Message 3 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
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          Hi everyone -

          I have been curious about this for a long time.....

          I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the paints
          out while on the bath.

          However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affects
          marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.

          Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)
        • Sonja Idema
          I just taught a marbling class at a college at the beginning of this month and the students and I experimented with a lot of different media to marble. We
          Message 4 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
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            I just taught a marbling class at a college at the beginning of this month and the students and I experimented with a lot of different media to marble. We tried heavy duty painter's canvas cut into pieces and that when soaking it in alum, it gave off a putrid odor...somewhat like uric acid (okay, like someone couldn't get to the bathroom in time!!)
            We also found that when we marbled it, it did the same thing that you found happen..."the color rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left intense areas, and pale patches on the canvas".
            We also marbled pieces in various thicknesses from that thick canvas to a sheer fine quilter's cotton and 100% silk scarves.
            We found that the thinner the material, the more defined and intense the marbling was.
            I'm not sure if that helps or not, but it sure showed us a thing or two!
            Sonja (in Canada)


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: enigmaticmatrix
            To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:22 PM
            Subject: [Marbling] Marbling on Canvas


            I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the knowledge to
            answer all the questions about marbling to help others. But I don't.
            People have been marbling for eons...

            As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the liquid oils also,
            and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried thinning the tube
            oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a big oil slick on
            the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank. Anyhow, I did
            give up because the fumes started to get to me.

            Which brings out my next point. Marbling with acrylic paints and
            watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know). Everybody's body is
            different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible for you to have a
            reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in certain foods.
            Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution while using them.

            The only thing I can tell you, especially if you have a lot of money
            invested in this art-form (as I do) is to experiment.

            I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and actually tried it
            once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only tried it once.
            So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled a piece of canvas
            yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it to, (it looked
            terrible) but I'm going to try again.

            It came out kinda interesting, but not all that good. It had lots of
            hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I rinsed it, the color
            rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left intense areas, and
            pale patches on the canvas.

            If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know how it works for
            you.

            I believe the main thing about the art of marbling is to not give up.

            Donna


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          • Gail MacKenzie
            After years of working on fabric...and having more and more problems: I have decided that fabrics are going through the same changes as paper has been
            Message 5 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
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              After years of working on fabric...and having more and more problems: I
              have decided that fabrics are going through the same changes as paper has
              been undergoing. Meaning that more and different finishes and fillers are
              being used. So, Now I prewash everything. I presoak for 1-2 hours with
              cold water in the washing machine with about 1 tablespoon of Simple Green to
              a tub full of cold water. Spin, refill and rinse, spin, refill and rinse
              than line or machine dry depending on the fabric. I hope this is helpful
              Best wishes, Gail


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            • Guffey
              Hi I don t know about anyone else, but I have my best results when the humidity is high, especially a cool rainy day. But then I have the advantage of living
              Message 6 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
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                Hi

                I don't know about anyone else, but I have my best results when the humidity
                is high, especially a cool rainy day. But then I have the advantage of
                living in a very temperate climate where year round temperature is around 65
                degrees (hottest official record of 86 degrees!) so I can't say how hot
                weather and high humidity affect marbling. I use blender carraghean and
                Liquitex acrylics with very fine results.

                D. Guffey
                Eureka, CA



                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "del.mary.stubbs" <mdstubbs@...>
                To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:01 PM
                Subject: [Marbling] humidity and marbling


                > Hi everyone -
                >
                > I have been curious about this for a long time.....
                >
                > I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the
                paints
                > out while on the bath.
                >
                > However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affects
                > marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.
                >
                > Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
              • hamburgerbuntpapier_de
                Hi Dolores-Both humidity and temperatures give helping hands to chemical reactions, sl= owing or quickening them. I find the affects vary a lot with the
                Message 7 of 22 , Jul 28, 2004
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                  Hi Dolores-

                  Both humidity and temperatures give helping hands to chemical reactions, sl=
                  owing or
                  quickening them.
                  I find the affects vary a lot with the patterns I make and the techniques I=
                  use. Paste paper
                  making is at its best with humidity above 70% and temperature below 25°C (p=
                  aste dries
                  slower and with less effects on the base paper), while sprinkling has its h=
                  eyday below 50%
                  and 18°C (airborn paints don't meet up with millions of droplets on their w=
                  ay down to the
                  sheet). My 'coldest' pattern is called 'Snowballs', I do it only on cold, d=
                  ry, windless winter's
                  days with the window open; and a woolen sweater beneath the overalls. Last =
                  summer was
                  exceptionally hot with temperatures round about 30°C and humidity below 50%=
                  for weeks.
                  I did not produce one single sheet during those weeks, the same applied to =
                  my marbling
                  colleague.

                  A marbler from Mexico told he has a humidifier going while he marbles.

                  I've heard colleagues talking about having air conditioning installed, but =
                  I am not sure
                  about the wiseness of the idea. Apart from the cost, air conditioning tends=
                  to produce
                  drafts, and that's about the last thing one needs.

                  Paper decorating is done in various techniques in many places world wide, t=
                  herefore the
                  techniques seem to be adaptable to many climates. Provided the decorators a=
                  re pigheaded
                  and patient.

                  Susanne Krause

                  --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Guffey" <dguff@h...> wrote:
                  > Hi
                  >
                  > I don't know about anyone else, but I have my best results when the humid=
                  ity
                  > is high, especially a cool rainy day. But then I have the advantage of
                  > living in a very temperate climate where year round temperature is around=
                  65
                  > degrees (hottest official record of 86 degrees!) so I can't say how hot
                  > weather and high humidity affect marbling. I use blender carraghean and
                  > Liquitex acrylics with very fine results.
                  >
                  > D. Guffey
                  > Eureka, CA
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "del.mary.stubbs" <mdstubbs@p...>
                  > To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:01 PM
                  > Subject: [Marbling] humidity and marbling
                  >
                  >
                  > > Hi everyone -
                  > >
                  > > I have been curious about this for a long time.....
                  > >
                  > > I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the
                  > paints
                  > > out while on the bath.
                  > >
                  > > However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affec=
                  ts
                  > > marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                • gretchen vansant
                  When marbling fabrics I find high humidity is bad. I work in my garage,so sometimes I ll stop by the afternoon,wait for the sun to go down.I ll cool down the
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jul 28, 2004
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                    When marbling fabrics I find high humidity is bad. I work in my garage,so sometimes I'll stop by the afternoon,wait for the sun to go down.I'll cool down the room ,sometimes I'll even put my hand through the vat to cool it down,then start up again! I work with methol,and air brush acrylics. Good luck gretchen

                    "del.mary.stubbs" <mdstubbs@...> wrote:Hi everyone -

                    I have been curious about this for a long time.....

                    I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the paints
                    out while on the bath.

                    However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affects
                    marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.

                    Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)


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                  • Laura Sims
                    Hello Donna, A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my
                    Message 9 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
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                      Hello Donna,

                      A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                      was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                      solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                      the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                      come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                      with acrylics.

                      Good luck,
                      Laura
                      Indigo Stone
                      --- enigmaticmatrix <Weshabak@...> wrote:

                      > I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the
                      > knowledge to
                      > answer all the questions about marbling to help
                      > others. But I don't.
                      > People have been marbling for eons...
                      >
                      > As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the
                      > liquid oils also,
                      > and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried
                      > thinning the tube
                      > oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a
                      > big oil slick on
                      > the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank.
                      > Anyhow, I did
                      > give up because the fumes started to get to me.
                      >
                      > Which brings out my next point. Marbling with
                      > acrylic paints and
                      > watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know).
                      > Everybody's body is
                      > different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible
                      > for you to have a
                      > reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in
                      > certain foods.
                      > Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution
                      > while using them.
                      >
                      > The only thing I can tell you, especially if you
                      > have a lot of money
                      > invested in this art-form (as I do) is to
                      > experiment.
                      >
                      > I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and
                      > actually tried it
                      > once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only
                      > tried it once.
                      > So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled
                      > a piece of canvas
                      > yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it
                      > to, (it looked
                      > terrible) but I'm going to try again.
                      >
                      > It came out kinda interesting, but not all that
                      > good. It had lots of
                      > hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I
                      > rinsed it, the color
                      > rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left
                      > intense areas, and
                      > pale patches on the canvas.
                      >
                      > If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know
                      > how it works for
                      > you.
                      >
                      > I believe the main thing about the art of marbling
                      > is to not give up.
                      >
                      > Donna
                      >
                      >
                      >




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                    • Caroline Tigeress
                      ... I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone has had any
                      Message 10 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
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                        Laura Sims wrote:

                        >Hello Donna,
                        >
                        >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                        >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                        >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                        >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                        >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                        >with acrylics.
                        >
                        >
                        I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
                        liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
                        has had any sucess in marbling silk?

                        Caroline
                      • gretchen vansant
                        Caroline,I,ve been lurking here for a few years ,mostly because I,ve never marbled paper. I am a fabric marbler.I,ve marbled everything from silk to
                        Message 11 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
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                          Caroline,I,ve been lurking here for a few years ,mostly because I,ve never marbled paper. I am a fabric marbler.I,ve marbled everything from silk to corduroy. Alot of fabrics work,the smoother,silkier the better.I,m sure canvas would work if you smooth it out first.Washing, or an electric piller work great at times for me. But its not always the material,its your bath,or size,and the paints you use,Its the correct combination that makes it 'work'.All I can say is experiment ,experiment,its a "beautiful thing'. peace Gretchen marbledfabric.com

                          Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote: Laura Sims wrote:

                          >Hello Donna,
                          >
                          >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                          >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                          >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                          >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                          >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                          >with acrylics.
                          >
                          >
                          I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
                          liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
                          has had any sucess in marbling silk?

                          Caroline



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                        • Brent Mydland
                          You should have very GOOD luck using silk. It usually always works, its very expensive but worth it. Remember not to iron or heat set until you have
                          Message 12 of 22 , Aug 17, 2004
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                            You should have very GOOD luck using silk.

                            It usually always works, its very expensive but worth it.

                            Remember not to iron or heat set until you have nuetralized/removed the alum from the fabric or it will turn into a strong acid and desinegrate the fiber, just a slight hand wash shjould do it drip dry.

                            If your still not sure I can help ya make a nuertal solution.

                            Marble the silk and post the results! Cant wait! enjoy!

                            JBG



                            Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote: Laura Sims wrote:

                            >Hello Donna,
                            >
                            >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                            >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                            >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                            >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                            >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                            >with acrylics.
                            >
                            >
                            I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
                            liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
                            has had any sucess in marbling silk?

                            Caroline



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                          • Laura Sims
                            Dear Caroline, True Blue Art Store in Asheville, NC, 828-251-0028 and Arrowmont School of Arts & Crafts, Gatlinburg, TN, 865-436-5860 ext.25 (Bonnie) sell a
                            Message 13 of 22 , Aug 17, 2004
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                              Dear Caroline,

                              True Blue Art Store in Asheville, NC, 828-251-0028 and
                              Arrowmont School of Arts & Crafts, Gatlinburg, TN,
                              865-436-5860 ext.25 (Bonnie) sell a close weave,
                              smooth surface canvas that will work. As for silks,
                              taffeta, Thai silks (not the company)and silk noils
                              (raw silk) can be tricky, but the others work well.
                              Thai Silk, 1-800-722-SILK is a good place to start.
                              They have yardage and scarf blanks.

                              I use Golden on methyl cellulose if you want to try
                              that sometime.

                              Good Luck, Laura
                              Indigo Stone

                              --- Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:

                              >
                              > You should have very GOOD luck using silk.
                              >
                              > It usually always works, its very expensive but
                              > worth it.
                              >
                              > Remember not to iron or heat set until you have
                              > nuetralized/removed the alum from the fabric or it
                              > will turn into a strong acid and desinegrate the
                              > fiber, just a slight hand wash shjould do it drip
                              > dry.
                              >
                              > If your still not sure I can help ya make a nuertal
                              > solution.
                              >
                              > Marble the silk and post the results! Cant wait!
                              > enjoy!
                              >
                              > JBG
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote:
                              > Laura Sims wrote:
                              >
                              > >Hello Donna,
                              > >
                              > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do
                              > not
                              > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                              > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                              > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                              > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                              > >with acrylics.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as
                              > sucessful as I would have
                              > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was
                              > wondering if anyone
                              > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                              >
                              > Caroline
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                            • Angela Drake
                              Caroline, Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors beautifully. I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how I
                              Message 14 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
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                                Caroline,

                                Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                beautifully.

                                I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                start.

                                Angie


                                --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                wrote:
                                > Laura Sims wrote:
                                >
                                > >Hello Donna,
                                > >
                                > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                > >with acrylics.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                have
                                > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                anyone
                                > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                >
                                > Caroline
                              • Brent Mydland
                                Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90! That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as
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                                  Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                                  That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                                  Peace and Love Johnny



                                  Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                                  Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                  beautifully.

                                  I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                  I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                  would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                  start.

                                  Angie


                                  --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                  wrote:
                                  > Laura Sims wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >Hello Donna,
                                  > >
                                  > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                  > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                  > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                  > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                  > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                  > >with acrylics.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                  have
                                  > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                  anyone
                                  > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                  >
                                  > Caroline


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                                • gretchen vansant
                                  Johnney, I d be interested in your directions for mounting/ frameing. thanks gretchen Brent Mydland wrote: Yes, I have framed silk
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                                    Johnney, I'd be interested in your directions for mounting/ frameing. thanks gretchen

                                    Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:
                                    Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                                    That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                                    Peace and Love Johnny



                                    Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                                    Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                    beautifully.

                                    I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                    I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                    would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                    start.

                                    Angie


                                    --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                    wrote:
                                    > Laura Sims wrote:
                                    >
                                    > >Hello Donna,
                                    > >
                                    > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                    > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                    > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                    > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                    > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                    > >with acrylics.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                    have
                                    > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                    anyone
                                    > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                    >
                                    > Caroline


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                                  • Caroline Tigeress
                                    I have interest in this. Can it be stretched like an oil canvas on a wood frame? Like a gallery wrap? Caroline
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                                      I have interest in this. Can it be stretched like an oil canvas on
                                      a wood frame? Like a gallery wrap?

                                      Caroline


                                      Brent Mydland wrote:

                                      >Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!
                                      >
                                      >That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!
                                      >
                                      >Peace and Love Johnny
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,
                                      >
                                      >Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                      >beautifully.
                                      >
                                      >I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                      >I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                      >would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                      >start.
                                      >
                                      >Angie
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                      >wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >>Laura Sims wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >>>Hello Donna,
                                      >>>
                                      >>>A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                      >>>was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                      >>>solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                      >>>the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                      >>>come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                      >>>with acrylics.
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >> I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >have
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >>liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >anyone
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >>has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                      >>
                                      >> Caroline
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                                      Johnny, I d love to see these instructions. Thanks, Ann ... From: Brent Mydland [mailto: jbg78734@yahoo.com] To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug
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                                        Johnny, I'd love to see these instructions.

                                        Thanks,

                                        Ann




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                                        I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how <BR>
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                                        > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum<BR>
                                        > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.).� With my hand I press<BR>
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                                      • Angela Drake
                                        Johnny, Thanks so much! I think there is enough interest to share the info with all but will also email you off-line! Angie ... it so that its archival as I
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                                          Johnny,

                                          Thanks so much! I think there is enough interest to share the info
                                          with all but will also email you off-line!

                                          Angie

                                          --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Brent Mydland <jbg78734@y...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!
                                          >
                                          > That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount
                                          it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that
                                          mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping.
                                          Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak
                                          up if there is enough interest!
                                          >
                                          > Peace and Love Johnny
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Angela Drake <angiedrake@h...> wrote: Caroline,
                                          >
                                          > Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                          > beautifully.
                                          >
                                          > I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and
                                          how
                                          > I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of
                                          them
                                          > would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                          > start.
                                          >
                                          > Angie
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress
                                          <c.tigeress@c...>
                                          > wrote:
                                          > > Laura Sims wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > >Hello Donna,
                                          > > >
                                          > > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                          > > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                          > > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                          > > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                          > > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                          > > >with acrylics.
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I
                                          would
                                          > have
                                          > > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                          > anyone
                                          > > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                          > >
                                          > > Caroline
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                                        • Brent Mydland
                                          I have made contact with teacher and am getting the info together, I will be back in a day or two with the news. Thanks Johnny Brent Mydland
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                                            I have made contact with teacher and am getting the info together,

                                            I will be back in a day or two with the news.

                                            Thanks Johnny



                                            Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:
                                            Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                                            That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                                            Peace and Love Johnny



                                            Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                                            Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                            beautifully.

                                            I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                            I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                            would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                            start.

                                            Angie


                                            --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                            wrote:
                                            > Laura Sims wrote:
                                            >
                                            > >Hello Donna,
                                            > >
                                            > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                            > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                            > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                            > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                            > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                            > >with acrylics.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                            have
                                            > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                            anyone
                                            > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                            >
                                            > Caroline


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                                          • angel_100_100
                                            I would like instructions too. Thanks, Angel ... it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not
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                                              I would like instructions too.

                                              Thanks,

                                              Angel


                                              > Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!<BR>
                                              > <BR>
                                              > That is truly where  it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount
                                              it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that
                                              mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping.
                                              Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak
                                              up if there is enough interest!<BR>
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