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  • enigmaticmatrix
    Hi everyone! I am a longtime lurker here, but now I need help. I marbled a T-shirt about 15 years ago, and I was wearing it at a craft fair the other day when
    Message 1 of 22 , Jul 9, 2004
      Hi everyone!
      I am a longtime lurker here, but now I need help.

      I marbled a T-shirt about 15 years ago, and I was wearing it at a
      craft fair the other day when a lady asked me where I got it. I told
      her I made it and she said she absolutly HAS to have one.

      I attempted to marble shirts a looooong time ago, but I was not
      satisfied with the results because of the white streaks along the
      sides of the shirts, so I quit doing it. Anyhow, I think I can
      remember how to marble the shirts, but she says that she is also a
      bag freak and she would LOVE a marbled bag.

      The problem is, she has a "brand new, not yet used" canvas bag that
      she wants me to marble, and I told her that I will! (sob)

      Can someone PLEASE PLEEEEeeeease help me out here???

      1) How can I marble her T-Shirt and avoid getting the white streaks
      from when you flip the shirt over...

      2) How am I supposed to marble on CANVAS???? I am an artist, and I
      work on canvas, but I stretch it and apply gesso first, then use oil
      paints to create my masterpieces :^}. Seriously though, If it is
      possible, how do you marble canvas? Should I gesso it first? This is
      a pre-sewn bag, it looks like the brown paper bags you pack a child's
      lunch in, but it's bigger. It's not made complicated at all, just
      basic, but... why, oh WHY did I stick my foot in my mouth!!!!

      I hope I hear from someone soon!!!

      Thanks!
      Donna
    • Brent Mydland
      Just say NO! the canvass prob wont take the paint very well..... the T shirt delima is like a major hassle about the white streeks Thats just the way it is!
      Message 2 of 22 , Jul 10, 2004
        Just say NO!

        the canvass prob wont take the paint very well.....

        the T shirt delima is like a major hassle about the white streeks

        Thats just the way it is! Ive marbled thousands of T shirts there is no real way around it, color it in ,if some one is so concerned about the white streeks they might not understand the process...then do they appreciate it Really??

        I put down my fabric paints 8 years ago and people ask me all the time for them, even some famous musicians BEG me for them, the awnswer is that is not what I do anymore, I now marble on my own handmade tile with my own hand made inks and glazes . That is a feat in itsself, the clients have changed.the whole studio is differnt. as is life.

        So if you make the t shirt you must set up your studio and invest much time and money and prey for results that are satisfactory for some one who wants a perfect T....Um send her to anothers site to purchase and then make your own work for your ownmuse with out the stress....

        I think Marjorie Bevis has a site marbled fabrics.com send her there............

        Just my 2 cents...

        I cant wait to marble and sumi some paper soon............

        I love marbling and am glad that people here do too....

        so keep up the great work and let those colors dance!

        Peace Johnny



        enigmaticmatrix <Weshabak@...> wrote: Hi everyone!
        I am a longtime lurker here, but now I need help.

        I marbled a T-shirt about 15 years ago, and I was wearing it at a
        craft fair the other day when a lady asked me where I got it. I told
        her I made it and she said she absolutly HAS to have one.

        I attempted to marble shirts a looooong time ago, but I was not
        satisfied with the results because of the white streaks along the
        sides of the shirts, so I quit doing it. Anyhow, I think I can
        remember how to marble the shirts, but she says that she is also a
        bag freak and she would LOVE a marbled bag.

        The problem is, she has a "brand new, not yet used" canvas bag that
        she wants me to marble, and I told her that I will! (sob)

        Can someone PLEASE PLEEEEeeeease help me out here???

        1) How can I marble her T-Shirt and avoid getting the white streaks
        from when you flip the shirt over...

        2) How am I supposed to marble on CANVAS???? I am an artist, and I
        work on canvas, but I stretch it and apply gesso first, then use oil
        paints to create my masterpieces :^}. Seriously though, If it is
        possible, how do you marble canvas? Should I gesso it first? This is
        a pre-sewn bag, it looks like the brown paper bags you pack a child's
        lunch in, but it's bigger. It's not made complicated at all, just
        basic, but... why, oh WHY did I stick my foot in my mouth!!!!

        I hope I hear from someone soon!!!

        Thanks!
        Donna


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      • enigmaticmatrix
        I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the knowledge to answer all the questions about marbling to help others. But I don t. People have been marbling
        Message 3 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
          I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the knowledge to
          answer all the questions about marbling to help others. But I don't.
          People have been marbling for eons...

          As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the liquid oils also,
          and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried thinning the tube
          oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a big oil slick on
          the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank. Anyhow, I did
          give up because the fumes started to get to me.

          Which brings out my next point. Marbling with acrylic paints and
          watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know). Everybody's body is
          different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible for you to have a
          reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in certain foods.
          Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution while using them.

          The only thing I can tell you, especially if you have a lot of money
          invested in this art-form (as I do) is to experiment.

          I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and actually tried it
          once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only tried it once.
          So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled a piece of canvas
          yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it to, (it looked
          terrible) but I'm going to try again.

          It came out kinda interesting, but not all that good. It had lots of
          hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I rinsed it, the color
          rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left intense areas, and
          pale patches on the canvas.

          If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know how it works for
          you.

          I believe the main thing about the art of marbling is to not give up.

          Donna
        • del.mary.stubbs
          Hi everyone - I have been curious about this for a long time..... I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the paints out while on
          Message 4 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
            Hi everyone -

            I have been curious about this for a long time.....

            I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the paints
            out while on the bath.

            However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affects
            marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.

            Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)
          • Sonja Idema
            I just taught a marbling class at a college at the beginning of this month and the students and I experimented with a lot of different media to marble. We
            Message 5 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
              I just taught a marbling class at a college at the beginning of this month and the students and I experimented with a lot of different media to marble. We tried heavy duty painter's canvas cut into pieces and that when soaking it in alum, it gave off a putrid odor...somewhat like uric acid (okay, like someone couldn't get to the bathroom in time!!)
              We also found that when we marbled it, it did the same thing that you found happen..."the color rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left intense areas, and pale patches on the canvas".
              We also marbled pieces in various thicknesses from that thick canvas to a sheer fine quilter's cotton and 100% silk scarves.
              We found that the thinner the material, the more defined and intense the marbling was.
              I'm not sure if that helps or not, but it sure showed us a thing or two!
              Sonja (in Canada)


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: enigmaticmatrix
              To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:22 PM
              Subject: [Marbling] Marbling on Canvas


              I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the knowledge to
              answer all the questions about marbling to help others. But I don't.
              People have been marbling for eons...

              As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the liquid oils also,
              and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried thinning the tube
              oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a big oil slick on
              the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank. Anyhow, I did
              give up because the fumes started to get to me.

              Which brings out my next point. Marbling with acrylic paints and
              watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know). Everybody's body is
              different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible for you to have a
              reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in certain foods.
              Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution while using them.

              The only thing I can tell you, especially if you have a lot of money
              invested in this art-form (as I do) is to experiment.

              I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and actually tried it
              once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only tried it once.
              So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled a piece of canvas
              yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it to, (it looked
              terrible) but I'm going to try again.

              It came out kinda interesting, but not all that good. It had lots of
              hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I rinsed it, the color
              rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left intense areas, and
              pale patches on the canvas.

              If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know how it works for
              you.

              I believe the main thing about the art of marbling is to not give up.

              Donna


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            • Gail MacKenzie
              After years of working on fabric...and having more and more problems: I have decided that fabrics are going through the same changes as paper has been
              Message 6 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
                After years of working on fabric...and having more and more problems: I
                have decided that fabrics are going through the same changes as paper has
                been undergoing. Meaning that more and different finishes and fillers are
                being used. So, Now I prewash everything. I presoak for 1-2 hours with
                cold water in the washing machine with about 1 tablespoon of Simple Green to
                a tub full of cold water. Spin, refill and rinse, spin, refill and rinse
                than line or machine dry depending on the fabric. I hope this is helpful
                Best wishes, Gail


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              • Guffey
                Hi I don t know about anyone else, but I have my best results when the humidity is high, especially a cool rainy day. But then I have the advantage of living
                Message 7 of 22 , Jul 27, 2004
                  Hi

                  I don't know about anyone else, but I have my best results when the humidity
                  is high, especially a cool rainy day. But then I have the advantage of
                  living in a very temperate climate where year round temperature is around 65
                  degrees (hottest official record of 86 degrees!) so I can't say how hot
                  weather and high humidity affect marbling. I use blender carraghean and
                  Liquitex acrylics with very fine results.

                  D. Guffey
                  Eureka, CA



                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "del.mary.stubbs" <mdstubbs@...>
                  To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:01 PM
                  Subject: [Marbling] humidity and marbling


                  > Hi everyone -
                  >
                  > I have been curious about this for a long time.....
                  >
                  > I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the
                  paints
                  > out while on the bath.
                  >
                  > However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affects
                  > marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.
                  >
                  > Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                • hamburgerbuntpapier_de
                  Hi Dolores-Both humidity and temperatures give helping hands to chemical reactions, sl= owing or quickening them. I find the affects vary a lot with the
                  Message 8 of 22 , Jul 28, 2004
                    Hi Dolores-

                    Both humidity and temperatures give helping hands to chemical reactions, sl=
                    owing or
                    quickening them.
                    I find the affects vary a lot with the patterns I make and the techniques I=
                    use. Paste paper
                    making is at its best with humidity above 70% and temperature below 25°C (p=
                    aste dries
                    slower and with less effects on the base paper), while sprinkling has its h=
                    eyday below 50%
                    and 18°C (airborn paints don't meet up with millions of droplets on their w=
                    ay down to the
                    sheet). My 'coldest' pattern is called 'Snowballs', I do it only on cold, d=
                    ry, windless winter's
                    days with the window open; and a woolen sweater beneath the overalls. Last =
                    summer was
                    exceptionally hot with temperatures round about 30°C and humidity below 50%=
                    for weeks.
                    I did not produce one single sheet during those weeks, the same applied to =
                    my marbling
                    colleague.

                    A marbler from Mexico told he has a humidifier going while he marbles.

                    I've heard colleagues talking about having air conditioning installed, but =
                    I am not sure
                    about the wiseness of the idea. Apart from the cost, air conditioning tends=
                    to produce
                    drafts, and that's about the last thing one needs.

                    Paper decorating is done in various techniques in many places world wide, t=
                    herefore the
                    techniques seem to be adaptable to many climates. Provided the decorators a=
                    re pigheaded
                    and patient.

                    Susanne Krause

                    --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Guffey" <dguff@h...> wrote:
                    > Hi
                    >
                    > I don't know about anyone else, but I have my best results when the humid=
                    ity
                    > is high, especially a cool rainy day. But then I have the advantage of
                    > living in a very temperate climate where year round temperature is around=
                    65
                    > degrees (hottest official record of 86 degrees!) so I can't say how hot
                    > weather and high humidity affect marbling. I use blender carraghean and
                    > Liquitex acrylics with very fine results.
                    >
                    > D. Guffey
                    > Eureka, CA
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "del.mary.stubbs" <mdstubbs@p...>
                    > To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:01 PM
                    > Subject: [Marbling] humidity and marbling
                    >
                    >
                    > > Hi everyone -
                    > >
                    > > I have been curious about this for a long time.....
                    > >
                    > > I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the
                    > paints
                    > > out while on the bath.
                    > >
                    > > However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affec=
                    ts
                    > > marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.
                    > >
                    > > Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                  • gretchen vansant
                    When marbling fabrics I find high humidity is bad. I work in my garage,so sometimes I ll stop by the afternoon,wait for the sun to go down.I ll cool down the
                    Message 9 of 22 , Jul 28, 2004
                      When marbling fabrics I find high humidity is bad. I work in my garage,so sometimes I'll stop by the afternoon,wait for the sun to go down.I'll cool down the room ,sometimes I'll even put my hand through the vat to cool it down,then start up again! I work with methol,and air brush acrylics. Good luck gretchen

                      "del.mary.stubbs" <mdstubbs@...> wrote:Hi everyone -

                      I have been curious about this for a long time.....

                      I understand how dry air affects marbling, as it can actually dry the paints
                      out while on the bath.

                      However, what I have not been able to asses, is how high humidity affects
                      marbling. I use carageenan, and mostly Golden acrylics.

                      Thanks! Mary Celine Thouin (Stubbs)


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                    • Laura Sims
                      Hello Donna, A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my
                      Message 10 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
                        Hello Donna,

                        A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                        was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                        solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                        the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                        come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                        with acrylics.

                        Good luck,
                        Laura
                        Indigo Stone
                        --- enigmaticmatrix <Weshabak@...> wrote:

                        > I am totally addicted to marbling. I wish I had the
                        > knowledge to
                        > answer all the questions about marbling to help
                        > others. But I don't.
                        > People have been marbling for eons...
                        >
                        > As far as oil marbling goes, I tried it with the
                        > liquid oils also,
                        > and got the oil slick on the water also. I tried
                        > thinning the tube
                        > oils with mineral spirits, but they either made a
                        > big oil slick on
                        > the water or turned into little "boogers" and sank.
                        > Anyhow, I did
                        > give up because the fumes started to get to me.
                        >
                        > Which brings out my next point. Marbling with
                        > acrylic paints and
                        > watercolors is NOT toxic(as far as I know).
                        > Everybody's body is
                        > different, so I'm not saying that it's not possible
                        > for you to have a
                        > reaction. The methyl cel and carrageenan are used in
                        > certain foods.
                        > Acrylic paints are safe as long as you use caution
                        > while using them.
                        >
                        > The only thing I can tell you, especially if you
                        > have a lot of money
                        > invested in this art-form (as I do) is to
                        > experiment.
                        >
                        > I have wanted to marble on canvas for years, and
                        > actually tried it
                        > once about 10 years ago. That was my failure, I only
                        > tried it once.
                        > So, guess what I did? After TEN YEARS!!!! I marbled
                        > a piece of canvas
                        > yesterday. It didn't turn out the way I wanted it
                        > to, (it looked
                        > terrible) but I'm going to try again.
                        >
                        > It came out kinda interesting, but not all that
                        > good. It had lots of
                        > hesitation marks and air bubbles in it. When I
                        > rinsed it, the color
                        > rinsed away in unattractive splotches and left
                        > intense areas, and
                        > pale patches on the canvas.
                        >
                        > If anyone else tries marbling on canvas, let me know
                        > how it works for
                        > you.
                        >
                        > I believe the main thing about the art of marbling
                        > is to not give up.
                        >
                        > Donna
                        >
                        >
                        >




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                      • Caroline Tigeress
                        ... I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone has had any
                        Message 11 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
                          Laura Sims wrote:

                          >Hello Donna,
                          >
                          >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                          >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                          >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                          >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                          >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                          >with acrylics.
                          >
                          >
                          I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
                          liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
                          has had any sucess in marbling silk?

                          Caroline
                        • gretchen vansant
                          Caroline,I,ve been lurking here for a few years ,mostly because I,ve never marbled paper. I am a fabric marbler.I,ve marbled everything from silk to
                          Message 12 of 22 , Aug 16, 2004
                            Caroline,I,ve been lurking here for a few years ,mostly because I,ve never marbled paper. I am a fabric marbler.I,ve marbled everything from silk to corduroy. Alot of fabrics work,the smoother,silkier the better.I,m sure canvas would work if you smooth it out first.Washing, or an electric piller work great at times for me. But its not always the material,its your bath,or size,and the paints you use,Its the correct combination that makes it 'work'.All I can say is experiment ,experiment,its a "beautiful thing'. peace Gretchen marbledfabric.com

                            Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote: Laura Sims wrote:

                            >Hello Donna,
                            >
                            >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                            >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                            >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                            >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                            >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                            >with acrylics.
                            >
                            >
                            I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
                            liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
                            has had any sucess in marbling silk?

                            Caroline



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                          • Brent Mydland
                            You should have very GOOD luck using silk. It usually always works, its very expensive but worth it. Remember not to iron or heat set until you have
                            Message 13 of 22 , Aug 17, 2004
                              You should have very GOOD luck using silk.

                              It usually always works, its very expensive but worth it.

                              Remember not to iron or heat set until you have nuetralized/removed the alum from the fabric or it will turn into a strong acid and desinegrate the fiber, just a slight hand wash shjould do it drip dry.

                              If your still not sure I can help ya make a nuertal solution.

                              Marble the silk and post the results! Cant wait! enjoy!

                              JBG



                              Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote: Laura Sims wrote:

                              >Hello Donna,
                              >
                              >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                              >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                              >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                              >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                              >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                              >with acrylics.
                              >
                              >
                              I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would have
                              liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if anyone
                              has had any sucess in marbling silk?

                              Caroline



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                            • Laura Sims
                              Dear Caroline, True Blue Art Store in Asheville, NC, 828-251-0028 and Arrowmont School of Arts & Crafts, Gatlinburg, TN, 865-436-5860 ext.25 (Bonnie) sell a
                              Message 14 of 22 , Aug 17, 2004
                                Dear Caroline,

                                True Blue Art Store in Asheville, NC, 828-251-0028 and
                                Arrowmont School of Arts & Crafts, Gatlinburg, TN,
                                865-436-5860 ext.25 (Bonnie) sell a close weave,
                                smooth surface canvas that will work. As for silks,
                                taffeta, Thai silks (not the company)and silk noils
                                (raw silk) can be tricky, but the others work well.
                                Thai Silk, 1-800-722-SILK is a good place to start.
                                They have yardage and scarf blanks.

                                I use Golden on methyl cellulose if you want to try
                                that sometime.

                                Good Luck, Laura
                                Indigo Stone

                                --- Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:

                                >
                                > You should have very GOOD luck using silk.
                                >
                                > It usually always works, its very expensive but
                                > worth it.
                                >
                                > Remember not to iron or heat set until you have
                                > nuetralized/removed the alum from the fabric or it
                                > will turn into a strong acid and desinegrate the
                                > fiber, just a slight hand wash shjould do it drip
                                > dry.
                                >
                                > If your still not sure I can help ya make a nuertal
                                > solution.
                                >
                                > Marble the silk and post the results! Cant wait!
                                > enjoy!
                                >
                                > JBG
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@...> wrote:
                                > Laura Sims wrote:
                                >
                                > >Hello Donna,
                                > >
                                > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do
                                > not
                                > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                > >with acrylics.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as
                                > sucessful as I would have
                                > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was
                                > wondering if anyone
                                > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                >
                                > Caroline
                                >
                                >
                                >
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                              • Angela Drake
                                Caroline, Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors beautifully. I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how I
                                Message 15 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
                                  Caroline,

                                  Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                  beautifully.

                                  I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                  I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                  would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                  start.

                                  Angie


                                  --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                  wrote:
                                  > Laura Sims wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >Hello Donna,
                                  > >
                                  > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                  > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                  > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                  > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                  > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                  > >with acrylics.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                  have
                                  > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                  anyone
                                  > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                  >
                                  > Caroline
                                • Brent Mydland
                                  Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90! That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
                                    Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                                    That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                                    Peace and Love Johnny



                                    Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                                    Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                    beautifully.

                                    I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                    I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                    would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                    start.

                                    Angie


                                    --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                    wrote:
                                    > Laura Sims wrote:
                                    >
                                    > >Hello Donna,
                                    > >
                                    > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                    > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                    > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                    > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                    > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                    > >with acrylics.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                    have
                                    > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                    anyone
                                    > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                    >
                                    > Caroline


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                                  • gretchen vansant
                                    Johnney, I d be interested in your directions for mounting/ frameing. thanks gretchen Brent Mydland wrote: Yes, I have framed silk
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
                                      Johnney, I'd be interested in your directions for mounting/ frameing. thanks gretchen

                                      Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:
                                      Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                                      That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                                      Peace and Love Johnny



                                      Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                                      Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                      beautifully.

                                      I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                      I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                      would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                      start.

                                      Angie


                                      --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                      wrote:
                                      > Laura Sims wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >Hello Donna,
                                      > >
                                      > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                      > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                      > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                      > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                      > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                      > >with acrylics.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                      have
                                      > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                      anyone
                                      > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                      >
                                      > Caroline


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                                    • Caroline Tigeress
                                      I have interest in this. Can it be stretched like an oil canvas on a wood frame? Like a gallery wrap? Caroline
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Aug 20, 2004
                                        I have interest in this. Can it be stretched like an oil canvas on
                                        a wood frame? Like a gallery wrap?

                                        Caroline


                                        Brent Mydland wrote:

                                        >Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!
                                        >
                                        >That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!
                                        >
                                        >Peace and Love Johnny
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,
                                        >
                                        >Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                        >beautifully.
                                        >
                                        >I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                        >I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                        >would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                        >start.
                                        >
                                        >Angie
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                        >wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >>Laura Sims wrote:
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >>>Hello Donna,
                                        >>>
                                        >>>A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                        >>>was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                        >>>solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                        >>>the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                        >>>come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                        >>>with acrylics.
                                        >>>
                                        >>>
                                        >>>
                                        >>>
                                        >> I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >have
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >>liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >anyone
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >>has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                        >>
                                        >> Caroline
                                        >>
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                                      • marblehead@iwon.com
                                        Johnny, I d love to see these instructions. Thanks, Ann ... From: Brent Mydland [mailto: jbg78734@yahoo.com] To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug
                                        Message 19 of 22 , Aug 21, 2004
                                          Johnny, I'd love to see these instructions.

                                          Thanks,

                                          Ann




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                                          Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,<BR>
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                                          Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors <BR>
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                                          I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how <BR>
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                                          > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum<BR>
                                          > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.).� With my hand I press<BR>
                                          > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles <BR>
                                          > >come out of the canvas.� Drip dry, iron and marble<BR>
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                                        • Angela Drake
                                          Johnny, Thanks so much! I think there is enough interest to share the info with all but will also email you off-line! Angie ... it so that its archival as I
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Aug 23, 2004
                                            Johnny,

                                            Thanks so much! I think there is enough interest to share the info
                                            with all but will also email you off-line!

                                            Angie

                                            --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Brent Mydland <jbg78734@y...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!
                                            >
                                            > That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount
                                            it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that
                                            mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping.
                                            Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak
                                            up if there is enough interest!
                                            >
                                            > Peace and Love Johnny
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Angela Drake <angiedrake@h...> wrote: Caroline,
                                            >
                                            > Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                            > beautifully.
                                            >
                                            > I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and
                                            how
                                            > I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of
                                            them
                                            > would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                            > start.
                                            >
                                            > Angie
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress
                                            <c.tigeress@c...>
                                            > wrote:
                                            > > Laura Sims wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > >Hello Donna,
                                            > > >
                                            > > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                            > > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                            > > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                            > > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                            > > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                            > > >with acrylics.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I
                                            would
                                            > have
                                            > > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                            > anyone
                                            > > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                            > >
                                            > > Caroline
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                                          • Brent Mydland
                                            I have made contact with teacher and am getting the info together, I will be back in a day or two with the news. Thanks Johnny Brent Mydland
                                            Message 21 of 22 , Aug 23, 2004
                                              I have made contact with teacher and am getting the info together,

                                              I will be back in a day or two with the news.

                                              Thanks Johnny



                                              Brent Mydland <jbg78734@...> wrote:
                                              Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!

                                              That is truly where it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping. Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak up if there is enough interest!

                                              Peace and Love Johnny



                                              Angela Drake <angiedrake@...> wrote: Caroline,

                                              Marbling on silk is great fun... it picks up patterns and colors
                                              beautifully.

                                              I was wondering if anyone had framed any silk marbling pieces and how
                                              I would go about it... I've marbled lots of scarves but some of them
                                              would make great pieces to hang on a wall but I'm not sure where to
                                              start.

                                              Angie


                                              --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Caroline Tigeress <c.tigeress@c...>
                                              wrote:
                                              > Laura Sims wrote:
                                              >
                                              > >Hello Donna,
                                              > >
                                              > >A smooth surface canvas seems to work best. I do not
                                              > >was the canvas, but lay it flat in a tray of alum
                                              > >solution (1/2 cup to 1 gal.). With my hand I press
                                              > >the solution into the canvas until no more bubbles
                                              > >come out of the canvas. Drip dry, iron and marble
                                              > >with acrylics.
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > I just tried it yesterday. It was not as sucessful as I would
                                              have
                                              > liked, I used golden acrylics and carageenan. I was wondering if
                                              anyone
                                              > has had any sucess in marbling silk?
                                              >
                                              > Caroline


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                                            • angel_100_100
                                              I would like instructions too. Thanks, Angel ... it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not
                                              Message 22 of 22 , Aug 23, 2004
                                                I would like instructions too.

                                                Thanks,

                                                Angel


                                                > Yes, I have framed silk starting with my very first piece1-1-90!<BR>
                                                > <BR>
                                                > That is truly where  it belongs. I can tell you how to museum mount
                                                it so that its archival as I learned to frame from an artist that
                                                mounts art for the Smithsonian...I am not bragging just helping.
                                                Email off line or I will set up instuctions for the whole group!Speak
                                                up if there is enough interest!<BR>
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