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Re: [Marbling] Fix your troublesome size

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  • James M Mahoney
    Hello, Cynthia - I will be teaching a one-day class of fabric marbling on February 19th in New Bern, North Carolina if you are interested in that area of the
    Message 1 of 16 , Dec 18, 2003
      Hello, Cynthia -
      I will be teaching a one-day class of fabric marbling on February 19th in
      New Bern, North Carolina if you are interested in that area of the
      southeast. If this is of any interest, please e-mail me and I will give
      you particulars.
      Monita Mahoney
      On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:07:08 -0800 "Steve Bryant" <jsbryant@...>
      writes:
      > Hello, Does anyone know of a class/workshop in the southeast
      > region for marbling scarves or other fabrics? I've read books, etc,
      > but I'd like the "hands-on" learning. thanks. Cynthia
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: peggy skycraft
      > To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:43 PM
      > Subject: [Marbling] Fix your troublesome size
      >
      >
      > Dear Angela:
      >
      > I have made thousands of exceptional scarves with very few
      > "seconds."
      > Believe me, I have suffered through every problem there is.
      >
      > Try adding Calgon when the problem happens, with the broken
      > pattern
      > and white spots. (Cherry blossems is my cute name for this.)
      > Dissolve
      > a tablespoon in hot water and stir half into your marbling bath
      > (about
      > two gallons of size.) Test the size and if there is still a
      > problem,
      > add the other part of the dissolved calgon and test again. I
      > think
      > your problem will be solved. Once you know this, you can add
      > Calgon
      > (metaphosphate) before you begin marbling.
      >
      > There are chemical changes when alum gets in the size, but I
      > have
      > worked for many days makeing hundreds of papers just adding
      > fresh size
      > and also calgon. I refrigerate the size overnight to avoic
      > bacterial
      > degradaton, which also causes similar problems. (colors
      > breakup.)
      >
      > Get Calgon (sodium hexemetaphosphate) from Pro Chemica, in
      > Massechusetts, or from Rupert,Gibbon in Healdsburg. CA.I find it
      > to be
      > a true lifesaver. Saves one from throwing away that expensive
      > carrageen.
      >
      > I do not use Spectralite, but usually if there is too much
      > dissolved
      > acrylic (and the surfaactant that is in it) the problem would be
      > that
      > the paints may start to sink and not spread ourt.
      >
      > Dry air is not the problem. I can do good marbling no matter what
      > the
      > temprature or humidity is.
      >
      > Water too can be a problem. It should not be acid or too
      > mineral.
      > Calgon solves this too.
      >
      > Your tools can be scrubbed with Dutch Cleanser and a nail brush.
      > Rinse
      > well. One can also use isopropyl alcohol for a quick fix. I do
      > not
      > think dirty tools is part of your problem if the tools and such
      > are
      > used just for acrylic. I usually only have to clean everything
      > if I
      > want to use the setup for watercolor, which is not compatible
      > with
      > acrylic at all.
      >
      > Newspaper for skimming is not a problem chemically.
      >
      > Use not more than 1 tablespoon of alum per cup of water. Silk
      > can be
      > dipped and then put in the washingmachin spin dryer. This
      > allows
      > evenly alumed scarves, with less possiblility of alum
      > dissolvingf in
      > the size.
      >
      > Lay the scarf down, check that all areas have contacted the
      > marbling.
      > Remove the scarf immediately and do not allow the gel to drip
      > back
      > into the marbling tray. I drape them over a plastic pipe and
      > rinse
      > with gently running warm water from a hose. Do not bucket them
      > to
      > rinse as there is a good chance of pattern damage.
      >
      > Yours, Peggy Skycraft
      >
      > --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, DaveorRobin Olson
      > <dave1robin@y...>
      > wrote:
      > > Dear Angela,
      > > I also marble some scarves but I don,t think your
      > > problen is limited to fabric marbling. I have had this
      > > problem both with paper and fabric. I was told it is
      > > contamination with alum. You need to clean your tank
      > > better between scarves.Always use the directions on
      > > the alum pakage to make your alum solution. This very
      > > problem came up in a marbling workshop I took this
      > > weekend .(paper)and I have given you the instructors
      > > response. Good Luck.
      > > Robin Olson, Chicago
      > > --- Angela Drake <angiedrake@h...> wrote:
      > > > The last few times I've marbled, my size becomes
      > > > contaminated about
      > > > my fifth scarf into a session. It leaves bumpy,
      > > > blank spots in the
      > > > pattern and makes it very difficult to comb. I use
      > > > carrageenan as my
      > > > size and Spectralite paints. I had thought that cold
      > > > size was the
      > > > problem, but no longer. I was marbling outside while
      > > > the weather was
      > > > good (I live in Nevada, so it lasted a while) but
      > > > just moved my work
      > > > indoors and am having the same problem and the
      > > > temperature is about
      > > > 70F. If my tools are contaminated in some way, how
      > > > do I clean them?
      > > > I have read that I shouldn't use soap as it may
      > > > further contaminate
      > > > the size. The air here is very dry and we have
      > > > almost no humidity,
      > > > even in the house. Would this be a factor? Also, I
      > > > skim using
      > > > newspaper, but always have before with no problems.
      > > > Any suggestions
      > > > would be helpful as I am running out of ideas and
      > > > although I can
      > > > marble the scarves twice to lessen the impact of the
      > > > flaw, I would
      > > > prefer to get a great scarf the first time around. I
      > > > make enough
      > > > mistakes of my own without having to deal with size
      > > > with a mind of
      > > > its own. Thanks!
      > > >
      > > > Angie
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      > >
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