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  • irisnevins
    Wonder why they use it in pickling then? I have been tasting my papers many years, if I forgot to mark the alumed side! irisnevins Message text written by
    Message 1 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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      Wonder why they use it in pickling then? I have been tasting my papers many
      years, if I forgot to mark the alumed side!
      irisnevins

      Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
      >Gail MacKenzie <gailmackenzi@...> wrote:I am glad that alum, as a
      hazard, came up. Ask for a safety data sheet
      from your supplier. It will tell you that alum should not be inhaled, wash
      off skin immediately and do not get it in your eyes. It is an irritant and
      1 scant teaspoon (you know it tastes like unsweetened lemon lime koolade)
      is
      a fatal dose for the average adult!!
      <
    • sixshort
      -Thanks for all the replies re chemical hazards of handling paints, alum, solvents etc. I take the utmost care, always rub lanolin or barrier cream into my
      Message 2 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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        -Thanks for all the replies re chemical hazards of handling paints,
        alum, solvents etc. I take the utmost care, always rub lanolin or
        barrier cream into my hands, wear dispoable latex gloves, take care
        not to inhale any powdered paints or alum etc. so will have to do
        some sleuth work to find out just what is causing the sneezing when I
        start working with the paints, opening jars and so on. Perhaps
        supermarket disposable gloves are not resistant to
        chemicals . . . . .
        I think that newcomers to marbling should be made aware of the
        potentially dangerous chemicals they will be using, and trained in
        the routine use of safety measures. Many of us have come to marbling
        with no previous training in such things, and only a hazy
        recollection of chemistry lessons at school. After a couple of years
        of marbling it finally dawned on me that I should take safety
        precautions seriously!-- Joan Ajala
        In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, irisnevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
        > Wonder why they use it in pickling then? I have been tasting my
        papers many
        > years, if I forgot to mark the alumed side!
        > irisnevins
        >
        > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
        > >Gail MacKenzie <gailmackenzi@s...> wrote:I am glad that alum, as a
        > hazard, came up. Ask for a safety data sheet
        > from your supplier. It will tell you that alum should not be
        inhaled, wash
        > off skin immediately and do not get it in your eyes. It is an
        irritant and
        > 1 scant teaspoon (you know it tastes like unsweetened lemon lime
        koolade)
        > is
        > a fatal dose for the average adult!!
        > <
      • marblehead@iwon.com
        Aluminum in any form is a suspected cause of dementia/Alzheimers. This hasn t yet been proven, but it s something to think about when handling alum. ae ...
        Message 3 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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          Aluminum in any form is a suspected cause of dementia/Alzheimers. This hasn't yet been proven, but it's something to think about when handling alum.

          ae



          --- On Mon 09/15, sixshort < sixshort@... > wrote:
          From: sixshort [mailto: sixshort@...]
          To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:29:37 -0000
          Subject: [Marbling] Re: Allergies

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          -Thanks for all the replies re chemical hazards of handling paints, <BR>
          alum, solvents etc. I take the utmost care, always rub lanolin or <BR>
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          not to inhale any powdered paints or alum etc. so will have to do <BR>
          some sleuth work to find out just what is causing the sneezing when I <BR>
          start working with the paints, opening jars and so on.� Perhaps <BR>
          supermarket disposable gloves are not resistant to <BR>
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          I think that newcomers to marbling should be made aware of the <BR>
          potentially dangerous chemicals they will be using, and trained in <BR>
          the routine use of safety measures.� Many of us have come to marbling <BR>
          with no previous training in such things, and only a hazy <BR>
          recollection of chemistry lessons at school.� After a couple of years <BR>
          of marbling it finally dawned on me that I should take safety <BR>
          precautions seriously!--�� Joan Ajala������������������������������ <BR>
          In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, irisnevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:<BR>
          > Wonder why they use it in pickling then? I have been tasting my <BR>
          papers many<BR>
          > years, if I forgot to mark the alumed side!<BR>
          > irisnevins<BR>
          > <BR>
          > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com<BR>
          > >Gail MacKenzie <gailmackenzi@s...> wrote:I am glad� that alum, as a<BR>
          > hazard, came up.� Ask for a safety data sheet<BR>
          > from your supplier.� It will tell you that alum should not be <BR>
          inhaled, wash<BR>
          > off skin immediately and do not get it in your eyes.� It is an <BR>
          irritant and<BR>
          > 1 scant teaspoon (you know it tastes like unsweetened lemon lime <BR>
          koolade)<BR>
          > is<BR>
          > a fatal dose for the average adult!! <BR>
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        • gretchen vansant
          wrote: Aluminum in any form is a suspected cause of dementia/Alzheimers. This hasn t yet been proven, but it s something to think about
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            <marblehead@...> wrote:

            Aluminum in any form is a suspected cause of dementia/Alzheimers. This hasn't yet been proven, but it's something to think about when handling alum.

            ae



            --- On Mon 09/15, sixshort < sixshort@... > wrote:
            From: sixshort [mailto: sixshort@...]
            To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:29:37 -0000
            Subject: [Marbling] Re: Allergies





            -Thanks for all the replies re chemical hazards of handling paints,

            alum, solvents etc. I take the utmost care, always rub lanolin or

            barrier cream into my hands, wear dispoable latex gloves, take care

            not to inhale any powdered paints or alum etc. so will have to do

            some sleuth work to find out just what is causing the sneezing when I

            start working with the paints, opening jars and so on. Perhaps

            supermarket disposable gloves are not resistant to

            chemicals . . . . .

            I think that newcomers to marbling should be made aware of the

            potentially dangerous chemicals they will be using, and trained in

            the routine use of safety measures. Many of us have come to marbling

            with no previous training in such things, and only a hazy

            recollection of chemistry lessons at school. After a couple of years

            of marbling it finally dawned on me that I should take safety

            precautions seriously!-- Joan Ajala

            In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, irisnevins wrote:

            > Wonder why they use it in pickling then? I have been tasting my

            papers many

            > years, if I forgot to mark the alumed side!

            > irisnevins

            >

            > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com

            > >Gail MacKenzie wrote:I am glad that alum, as a

            > hazard, came up. Ask for a safety data sheet

            > from your supplier. It will tell you that alum should not be

            inhaled, wash

            > off skin immediately and do not get it in your eyes. It is an

            irritant and

            > 1 scant teaspoon (you know it tastes like unsweetened lemon lime

            koolade)

            > is

            > a fatal dose for the average adult!!

            > <












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          • IrisNevins
            Oh it s been extremely minor...only when I forgot to mark the back which is almost never! I was tested last year extensively with blood...they say better than
            Message 5 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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              Oh it's been extremely minor...only when I forgot to mark the back which is
              almost never! I was tested last year extensively with blood...they say
              better than hair now. Am OK....surprisingly! DeTox programs.....i can't
              handle due to hypoglycemia. I have tried and black. I drink tons of water
              these days though which is supposedly the cure for many ills.
              thank ye,
              Iris Nevins

              Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
              >Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After all,
              there
              is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want to have a
              test for mineral content. I know a little about testing hair. I also
              know
              that every year I go for a week long thorough detoxing at the Optimum
              Health Institute in San Diego and by the third day my mouth tastes like I
              have an aluminum spoon in it!! It takes 2-3 days to go away. Gail <
            • Gail MacKenzie
              Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After all, there is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want to have a test for
              Message 6 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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                Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After all, there
                is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want to have a
                test for mineral content. I know a little about testing hair. I also know
                that every year I go for a week long thorough detoxing at the Optimum
                Health Institute in San Diego and by the third day my mouth tastes like I
                have an aluminum spoon in it!! It takes 2-3 days to go away. Gail


                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Susa Glenn
                Hi Iris, If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal toxicity with an
                Message 7 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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                  Hi Iris,
                  If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                  slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal
                  toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                  your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was heavy...dementia
                  is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to the
                  doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                  takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                  doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a heavy
                  metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                  chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                  cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                  hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                  bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as hyper-
                  sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).

                  Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting minute
                  particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any more,
                  thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more efficient
                  way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto your
                  skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of paper
                  though.

                  Susa Glenn

                  --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, IrisNevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
                  > Oh it's been extremely minor...only when I forgot to mark the back
                  which is
                  > almost never! I was tested last year extensively with blood...they
                  say
                  > better than hair now. Am OK....surprisingly! DeTox programs.....i
                  can't
                  > handle due to hypoglycemia. I have tried and black. I drink tons
                  of water
                  > these days though which is supposedly the cure for many ills.
                  > thank ye,
                  > Iris Nevins
                  >
                  > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                  > >Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After
                  all,
                  > there
                  > is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want
                  to have a
                  > test for mineral content. I know a little about testing hair. I
                  also
                  > know
                  > that every year I go for a week long thorough detoxing at the
                  Optimum
                  > Health Institute in San Diego and by the third day my mouth tastes
                  like I
                  > have an aluminum spoon in it!! It takes 2-3 days to go away. Gail <
                • M. Gilbert
                  Quick question from a newbie... any chance wearing one of those paper face masks would help prevent inhalation, or are the particles too small? This is sorta
                  Message 8 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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                    Quick question from a newbie... any chance wearing one of those paper face
                    masks would help prevent inhalation, or are the particles too small? This
                    is sorta scary.

                    - Michelle Gilbert
                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Susa Glenn [mailto:sglenn@...]
                    Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:57 PM
                    To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [Marbling] Re: Allergies


                    Hi Iris,
                    If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                    slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal
                    toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                    your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was heavy...dementia
                    is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to the
                    doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                    takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                    doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a heavy
                    metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                    chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                    cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                    hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                    bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as hyper-
                    sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).

                    Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting minute
                    particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any more,
                    thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more efficient
                    way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto your
                    skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of paper
                    though.

                    Susa Glenn

                    --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, IrisNevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
                    > Oh it's been extremely minor...only when I forgot to mark the back
                    which is
                    > almost never! I was tested last year extensively with blood...they
                    say
                    > better than hair now. Am OK....surprisingly! DeTox programs.....i
                    can't
                    > handle due to hypoglycemia. I have tried and black. I drink tons
                    of water
                    > these days though which is supposedly the cure for many ills.
                    > thank ye,
                    > Iris Nevins
                    >
                    > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                    > >Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After
                    all,
                    > there
                    > is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want
                    to have a
                    > test for mineral content. I know a little about testing hair. I
                    also
                    > know
                    > that every year I go for a week long thorough detoxing at the
                    Optimum
                    > Health Institute in San Diego and by the third day my mouth tastes
                    like I
                    > have an aluminum spoon in it!! It takes 2-3 days to go away. Gail <


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                  • J Dolphin
                    You need the right mask for the right job.........hence--check with your local hardware companies for what they offer for various work. ...........Alum here
                    Message 9 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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                      You need the right mask for the right job.........hence--check with your
                      local hardware companies for what they offer for various work.
                      ...........Alum here for marblers will be in two different states--the
                      first--where it is powder and you are pouring the crystals. The
                      second--where it is liquid once mixed with water......Would an ordinary
                      surgical paper mask work? I don't know.
                      Jill
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "M. Gilbert" <michelle.gilbert@...>
                      To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:01 PM
                      Subject: RE: [Marbling] Re: Allergies


                      > Quick question from a newbie... any chance wearing one of those paper face
                      > masks would help prevent inhalation, or are the particles too small? This
                      > is sorta scary.
                      >
                      > - Michelle Gilbert
                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Susa Glenn [mailto:sglenn@...]
                      > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:57 PM
                      > To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [Marbling] Re: Allergies
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Iris,
                      > If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                      > slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal
                      > toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                      > your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was heavy...dementia
                      > is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to the
                      > doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                      > takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                      > doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a heavy
                      > metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                      > chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                      > cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                      > hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                      > bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as hyper-
                      > sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).
                      >
                      > Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting minute
                      > particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any more,
                      > thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more efficient
                      > way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto your
                      > skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of paper
                      > though.
                      >
                      > Susa Glenn
                      >
                      > --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, IrisNevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
                      > > Oh it's been extremely minor...only when I forgot to mark the back
                      > which is
                      > > almost never! I was tested last year extensively with blood...they
                      > say
                      > > better than hair now. Am OK....surprisingly! DeTox programs.....i
                      > can't
                      > > handle due to hypoglycemia. I have tried and black. I drink tons
                      > of water
                      > > these days though which is supposedly the cure for many ills.
                      > > thank ye,
                      > > Iris Nevins
                      > >
                      > > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                      > > >Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After
                      > all,
                      > > there
                      > > is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want
                      > to have a
                      > > test for mineral content. I know a little about testing hair. I
                      > also
                      > > know
                      > > that every year I go for a week long thorough detoxing at the
                      > Optimum
                      > > Health Institute in San Diego and by the third day my mouth tastes
                      > like I
                      > > have an aluminum spoon in it!! It takes 2-3 days to go away. Gail <
                      >
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                    • Gail MacKenzie
                      Thanks Susan...your message to Iris was very informative. Gail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                        Thanks Susan...your message to Iris was very informative. Gail


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                      • irisnevins
                        I can t imagine alum in solution...liquid....would require a mask. If I have to alum in a mask I think i d rather quit. I can see it when the particles of
                        Message 11 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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                          I can't imagine alum in solution...liquid....would require a mask. If I
                          have to alum in a mask I think i'd rather quit. I can see it when the
                          particles of powder fly around, but not while liquid. Same goes for
                          pigments...not good to breathe but once in liquid paint? I couldn't imagine
                          it is a problem...and if it is, so be it. I'd rather be comfortable. I just
                          hold my breath while spooning out the alum....can't stand the sneezles! But
                          paint surely doesn't bother me. I have also decided to marble sans gloves,
                          only wear them while aluming because it makes my hands crawl.

                          Iris Nevins


                          Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                          >
                          You need the right mask for the right job.........hence--check with
                          your
                          local hardware companies for what they offer for various work.
                          ...........Alum here for marblers will be in two different states--the
                          first--where it is powder and you are pouring the crystals. The
                          second--where it is liquid once mixed with water......Would an ordinary
                          surgical paper mask work? I don't know.
                          Jill<
                        • irisnevins
                          Thanks for info.....but how does one get rid of it all? These detox programs nearly kill me. I know apple pectin carries lead out....maybe an apple a day does
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                            Thanks for info.....but how does one get rid of it all? These detox
                            programs nearly kill me. I know apple pectin carries lead out....maybe an
                            apple a day does keep the Dr. away?
                            irisnevins

                            Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                            >Hi Iris,
                            If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                            slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal
                            toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                            your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was heavy...dementia
                            is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to the
                            doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                            takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                            doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a heavy
                            metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                            chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                            cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                            hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                            bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as hyper-
                            sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).

                            Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting minute
                            particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any more,
                            thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more efficient
                            way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto your
                            skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of paper
                            though.

                            Susa Glenn<
                          • irisnevins
                            PS...I really am not slurping alum! the once in a blue moon taste test......which by the way cannot be tasted on the danged newly buffered paper......back to
                            Message 13 of 29 , Sep 15, 2003
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                              PS...I really am not slurping alum! the once in a blue moon taste
                              test......which by the way cannot be tasted on the danged newly buffered
                              paper......back to that....anyone care to mention which other papers work
                              for them? Mimi and I are going a little crazy right now.
                              I.Nevins

                              Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                              >Hi Iris,
                              If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                              slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal
                              toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                              your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was heavy...dementia
                              is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to the
                              doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                              takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                              doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a heavy
                              metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                              chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                              cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                              hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                              bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as hyper-
                              sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).

                              Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting minute
                              particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any more,
                              thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more efficient
                              way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto your
                              skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of paper
                              though.

                              Susa Glenn<
                            • Susa Glenn
                              I went through over 60 chelation treatments in 1994 because I got really sick (Dursban poisoning) and the doctor put me through a big time general detox
                              Message 14 of 29 , Sep 16, 2003
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                                I went through over 60 chelation treatments in 1994 because I got
                                really sick (Dursban poisoning) and the doctor put me through a big
                                time general detox program to lower my overall load of toxins.
                                Nobody knew it was Dursban at the time; I found out about 6 months
                                later. After 9 months and all that chelation, I was much better, but
                                the aluminum still showed up as a problem on the urinalysis because
                                it was still coming out of my body. I just avoid aluminum now; no
                                antiperspirant, no aluminum pans, no sodas in aluminum cans, etc.

                                I just hold my breath when pouring in the alum crystals. My alum
                                crystals just don't seem to be getting air born, so I really haven't
                                been very concerned about it. I don't use a mask either, Iris. I use
                                long gloves when I hang up my fabric to dry and I do worry about the
                                drips getting on me. If you can actually see the stuff in the air
                                or if you can smell it, I think that you should definitely wear a
                                dust mask. I stir the stuff into the water at arm's length and avoid
                                breathing any rising steam from the hot water. If you can smell it,
                                it means that it is in your lungs and is going into your
                                bloodstream.

                                The detox progams are especially hard on a person if they are
                                carrying a heavy load of toxins because the detoxing stirs them up
                                from wherever the body has parked them and so you can become more
                                symptomatic during the detox process. A good doctor is essential. I
                                have a load of mercury too, but I can't handle the side effects of
                                the detox program for that so I haven't been able to get rid of it.

                                I never heard that apple pectin would carry lead out. EDTA works
                                real well though.

                                Susa Glenn

                                --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, irisnevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
                                > Thanks for info.....but how does one get rid of it all? These detox
                                > programs nearly kill me. I know apple pectin carries lead
                                out....maybe an
                                > apple a day does keep the Dr. away?
                                > irisnevins
                                >
                                > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                > >Hi Iris,
                                > If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                                > slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy
                                metal
                                > toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                                > your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was
                                heavy...dementia
                                > is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to
                                the
                                > doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                                > takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                                > doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a
                                heavy
                                > metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                                > chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                                > cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                                > hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                                > bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as
                                hyper-
                                > sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).
                                >
                                > Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting
                                minute
                                > particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any
                                more,
                                > thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more
                                efficient
                                > way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto
                                your
                                > skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of
                                paper
                                > though.
                                >
                                > Susa Glenn<
                              • irisnevins
                                Many years ago when I did stained glass work my teacher told us about the pectin, then I read it somewhere else too. We breathed lots of lead fumes from the
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                                  Many years ago when I did stained glass work my teacher told us about the
                                  pectin, then I read it somewhere else too. We breathed lots of lead fumes
                                  from the lead caming and the solder. Now, in my other role as jeweler I use
                                  a lot of solder, polishing compounds and such. I find it utterly impossible
                                  to wear a mask while doing fine jewelry work, because the magnifying
                                  glasses I wear fog up. So I just will take my chances .....just love it too
                                  much to give it up. Never mind all the cut fingers ....open wounds with all
                                  that dirt around.....

                                  IrisNevins

                                  Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                  >
                                  I went through over 60 chelation treatments in 1994 because I got
                                  really sick (Dursban poisoning) and the doctor put me through a big
                                  time general detox program to lower my overall load of toxins.
                                  Nobody knew it was Dursban at the time; I found out about 6 months
                                  later. After 9 months and all that chelation, I was much better, but
                                  the aluminum still showed up as a problem on the urinalysis because
                                  it was still coming out of my body. I just avoid aluminum now; no
                                  antiperspirant, no aluminum pans, no sodas in aluminum cans, etc.

                                  I just hold my breath when pouring in the alum crystals. My alum
                                  crystals just don't seem to be getting air born, so I really haven't
                                  been very concerned about it. I don't use a mask either, Iris. I use
                                  long gloves when I hang up my fabric to dry and I do worry about the
                                  drips getting on me. If you can actually see the stuff in the air
                                  or if you can smell it, I think that you should definitely wear a
                                  dust mask. I stir the stuff into the water at arm's length and avoid
                                  breathing any rising steam from the hot water. If you can smell it,
                                  it means that it is in your lungs and is going into your
                                  bloodstream.

                                  The detox progams are especially hard on a person if they are
                                  carrying a heavy load of toxins because the detoxing stirs them up
                                  from wherever the body has parked them and so you can become more
                                  symptomatic during the detox process. A good doctor is essential. I
                                  have a load of mercury too, but I can't handle the side effects of
                                  the detox program for that so I haven't been able to get rid of it.

                                  I never heard that apple pectin would carry lead out. EDTA works
                                  real well though.

                                  Susa Glenn<
                                • Steve Bryant
                                  Hi, All of this alum talk makes me think of my recent sinus infection & crud. The antibiotic prescribed tasted like metal or copper-like (not that I eat
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                                    Hi, All of this alum talk makes me think of my recent sinus infection & "crud." The antibiotic prescribed tasted like metal or copper-like (not that I eat metal) and my urine smelled like it as well. My mouth had this taste of something weird. Makes one wonder ...

                                    I haven't marbled since July, so I don't think that had any effect here. This is a typical side effect of this medication. Sometimes, I'd rather be sick than put up with the meds.

                                    Cynthia
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Susa Glenn
                                    To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:56 PM
                                    Subject: [Marbling] Re: Allergies


                                    Hi Iris,
                                    If you want to see if you are carrying a load of aluminum from
                                    slurping on your alumed paper, you need to be tested for heavy metal
                                    toxicity with an IV chelation treatment followed by saving all of
                                    your urine for (I've forgotten...aluminum load was heavy...dementia
                                    is imminent...) maybe 6 hours and then handing the jug back to the
                                    doctor so they can send some off to be analized. The chelation IV
                                    takes, oh, 3-4 hours. They did a hair analysis on me too, but the
                                    doctor trusted the above urine test more as the aluminum is a heavy
                                    metal and is firmly linked to your cells until set free by the
                                    chelating agent, EDTA. Because it is chemically linked to your
                                    cells, it isn't just floating around loose in your blood so it is
                                    hard to test for with a simple blood test. I had aluminum pretty
                                    bad, along with lead, cadmium, and arsenic. I also tested as hyper-
                                    sensitive to aluminum (sorta like an allergy).

                                    Anyway.... If you are sneezing, it means that you are getting minute
                                    particles of alum in you and your body really doesn't want any more,
                                    thanks anyway. Breathing it into your lungs is a MUCH more efficient
                                    way of getting a toxic load into your body than daubing it onto your
                                    skin. I'm not real sure where it ranks with slurping it off of paper
                                    though.

                                    Susa Glenn

                                    --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, IrisNevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
                                    > Oh it's been extremely minor...only when I forgot to mark the back
                                    which is
                                    > almost never! I was tested last year extensively with blood...they
                                    say
                                    > better than hair now. Am OK....surprisingly! DeTox programs.....i
                                    can't
                                    > handle due to hypoglycemia. I have tried and black. I drink tons
                                    of water
                                    > these days though which is supposedly the cure for many ills.
                                    > thank ye,
                                    > Iris Nevins
                                    >
                                    > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >Iris...years of alum tasting is something to think about. After
                                    all,
                                    > there
                                    > is that connection between aluminum and dementia. You might want
                                    to have a
                                    > test for mineral content. I know a little about testing hair. I
                                    also
                                    > know
                                    > that every year I go for a week long thorough detoxing at the
                                    Optimum
                                    > Health Institute in San Diego and by the third day my mouth tastes
                                    like I
                                    > have an aluminum spoon in it!! It takes 2-3 days to go away. Gail <


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                                  • Steve Bryant
                                    My grandfather had Alzheimer s -- it s not a nice thing. My prayers go out to anyone who is dealing with this condition. Anyway, Mom started using copper
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                                      My grandfather had Alzheimer's -- it's not a nice thing. My prayers go out to anyone who is dealing with this condition. Anyway, Mom started using copper bottom cooking utensils. Later, I read that aluminum may not be that big of a factor. Cynthia
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: gretchen vansant
                                      To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:55 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [Marbling] Re: Allergies




                                      <marblehead@...> wrote:

                                      Aluminum in any form is a suspected cause of dementia/Alzheimers. This hasn't yet been proven, but it's something to think about when handling alum.

                                      ae



                                      --- On Mon 09/15, sixshort < sixshort@... > wrote:
                                      From: sixshort [mailto: sixshort@...]
                                      To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:29:37 -0000
                                      Subject: [Marbling] Re: Allergies





                                      -Thanks for all the replies re chemical hazards of handling paints,

                                      alum, solvents etc. I take the utmost care, always rub lanolin or

                                      barrier cream into my hands, wear dispoable latex gloves, take care

                                      not to inhale any powdered paints or alum etc. so will have to do

                                      some sleuth work to find out just what is causing the sneezing when I

                                      start working with the paints, opening jars and so on. Perhaps

                                      supermarket disposable gloves are not resistant to

                                      chemicals . . . . .

                                      I think that newcomers to marbling should be made aware of the

                                      potentially dangerous chemicals they will be using, and trained in

                                      the routine use of safety measures. Many of us have come to marbling

                                      with no previous training in such things, and only a hazy

                                      recollection of chemistry lessons at school. After a couple of years

                                      of marbling it finally dawned on me that I should take safety

                                      precautions seriously!-- Joan Ajala

                                      In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, irisnevins wrote:

                                      > Wonder why they use it in pickling then? I have been tasting my

                                      papers many

                                      > years, if I forgot to mark the alumed side!

                                      > irisnevins

                                      >

                                      > Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com

                                      > >Gail MacKenzie wrote:I am glad that alum, as a

                                      > hazard, came up. Ask for a safety data sheet

                                      > from your supplier. It will tell you that alum should not be

                                      inhaled, wash

                                      > off skin immediately and do not get it in your eyes. It is an

                                      irritant and

                                      > 1 scant teaspoon (you know it tastes like unsweetened lemon lime

                                      koolade)

                                      > is

                                      > a fatal dose for the average adult!!

                                      > <












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                                    • irisnevins
                                      My Mothin In Law has it, she is at least one of the happy ones...she seems to be living inside her happiest memories. Still so sad. I have read that too about
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                                        My Mothin In Law has it, she is at least one of the happy ones...she seems
                                        to be living inside her happiest memories. Still so sad. I have read that
                                        too about aluminum not being so much a worry, but one never knows what to
                                        believe since they keep changing their minds.....maybe there should be a
                                        study on all these studies to see why they are so inconsistent. ALuminum
                                        pots are bad, copper pots are bad.....cast iron is bad too if you get too
                                        much iron from cooking in it, it is bad for your heart.....mmmm....what
                                        have we left out? Anything.....oh teflon at high temps is supposedly bad.

                                        It's very confusing, isn't it.
                                        Iris Nevins

                                        Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@yahoogroups.com
                                        >My grandfather had Alzheimer's -- it's not a nice thing. My prayers go
                                        out to anyone who is dealing with this condition. Anyway, Mom started
                                        using copper bottom cooking utensils. Later, I read that aluminum may not
                                        be that big of a factor. Cynthia
                                        <
                                      • hamburgerbuntpapier_de
                                        It s the mixture that does it... too much is always bad, of anything... and there s that thing about personal sensitivities... give yourself a healthy mixture
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                                          It's the mixture that does it... too much is always bad, of anything...
                                          and there's that thing about personal sensitivities... give yourself a
                                          healthy mixture of everything and take care with things that can be and
                                          should be avoided, and you can't go really wrong. I think.

                                          Susanne Krause
                                        • Gail MacKenzie
                                          ... Rudolph Steiner of the Theosophist Society suggested gold as the best cooking pot!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                                            > My Mothin In Law has it, she is at least one of the happy ones...she seems
                                            > to be living inside her happiest memories. Still so sad. I have read that
                                            > too about aluminum not being so much a worry, but one never knows what to
                                            > believe since they keep changing their minds.....maybe there should be a
                                            > study on all these studies to see why they are so inconsistent. ALuminum
                                            > pots are bad, copper pots are bad.....cast iron is bad too if you get too
                                            > much iron from cooking in it, it is bad for your heart.....mmmm....what
                                            > have we left out? Anything.....oh teflon at high temps is supposedly bad.
                                            >
                                            > It's very confusing, isn't it.
                                            > Iris Nevins
                                            Rudolph Steiner of the Theosophist Society suggested gold as the best
                                            cooking pot!!


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                                          • sixshort
                                            I would wish! I have had my best laugh for ages at the thought of my stove coated in melted gold cooking pots. This is such a great chat (read laugh) line.
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                                              I would wish! I have had my best laugh for ages at the thought of my
                                              stove coated in melted gold cooking pots. This is such a great chat
                                              (read laugh) line. Joan Ajala.--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, Gail
                                              MacKenzie <gailmackenzi@s...> wrote:
                                              > > My Mothin In Law has it, she is at least one of the happy
                                              ones...she seems
                                              > > to be living inside her happiest memories. Still so sad. I have
                                              read that
                                              > > too about aluminum not being so much a worry, but one never knows
                                              what to
                                              > > believe since they keep changing their minds.....maybe there
                                              should be a
                                              > > study on all these studies to see why they are so inconsistent.
                                              ALuminum
                                              > > pots are bad, copper pots are bad.....cast iron is bad too if you
                                              get too
                                              > > much iron from cooking in it, it is bad for your
                                              heart.....mmmm....what
                                              > > have we left out? Anything.....oh teflon at high temps is
                                              supposedly bad.
                                              > >
                                              > > It's very confusing, isn't it.
                                              > > Iris Nevins
                                              > Rudolph Steiner of the Theosophist Society suggested gold as the
                                              best
                                              > cooking pot!!
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                            • sixshort
                                              ... anything... ... yourself a ... and
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                                                --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "hamburgerbuntpapier_de"
                                                <hamburgerbuntpapier@t...> wrote:
                                                > It's the mixture that does it... too much is always bad, of
                                                anything...
                                                > and there's that thing about personal sensitivities... give
                                                yourself a
                                                > healthy mixture of everything and take care with things that can be
                                                and
                                                > should be avoided, and you can't go really wrong. I think.
                                                >
                                                > Susanne Krause
                                              • sixshort
                                                ... anything... ... yourself a ... and
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                                                  --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "hamburgerbuntpapier_de"
                                                  <hamburgerbuntpapier@t...> wrote:
                                                  > It's the mixture that does it... too much is always bad, of
                                                  anything...
                                                  > and there's that thing about personal sensitivities... give
                                                  yourself a
                                                  > healthy mixture of everything and take care with things that can be
                                                  and
                                                  > should be avoided, and you can't go really wrong. I think.
                                                  >
                                                  > Susanne Krause
                                                • sixshort
                                                  -Thanks, Susanne. Sounds as if commonsense rules the day. I was very interested in viewing your website, with its varied use of marbled papers. You mentioned
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                                                    -Thanks, Susanne. Sounds as if commonsense rules the day. I was very
                                                    interested in viewing your website, with its varied use of marbled
                                                    papers. You mentioned in Message 1896 that Hahnemuhle Natural Line
                                                    Ingra Paper and Bruga paper are good for marbling. As Vi Wilson
                                                    remarked, we are in a paper desert in Australia, and although we
                                                    spend heaps on various kinds of paper, can't find a fine all-purpose
                                                    paper for watercolour marbling that doesn't cost the earth. Can you
                                                    tell us more about these papers, and their availability? Joan Ajala
                                                    <hamburgerbuntpapier@t...> wrote:
                                                    > It's the mixture that does it... too much is always bad, of
                                                    anything...
                                                    > and there's that thing about personal sensitivities... give
                                                    yourself a
                                                    > healthy mixture of everything and take care with things that can be
                                                    and
                                                    > should be avoided, and you can't go really wrong. I think.
                                                    >
                                                    > Susanne Krause
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