Re: [Marbling] sunspot
- Thanks for getting these images out here! They are a real visual treat!
( And I want a Complete report on the shaving creme experiments! Sounds
like it's going to be a great deal of Fun!)
> If any of you want to see samples they are at my site at the top of the
> samples section.
> Iris Nevins
- SUNSPOT OR TIGER EYE PATTERN
I have literally tried to figure this design out for 25 years. I have found
odd instructions for it using blood albumen, and other strange ingedients
not too available! Potash was the one mentioned most....but how much...and
the bigger problem, where to find it. It can be found from chemical
suppliers but you usually have to buy many pounds of it, and there is a
hazardous shipping charge. They don't seem to want to let you have samples
I finally located potash at a garden supply store. I had been to dozens
with no luck and finally found a store that carried it (they will not
ship).This is not even pure potash, but it works. It is 0-0-60 they call
it....it is 60% soluble potash, K20 (that should be a small 2, but my
program doesn't allow it).
OK, I found it....now what. "Formulas" tend to say "use some". great! Well
I tried varying amounts, until I found that you need way more than I
imagined! What I finally found is best to do is to get a mortar and pestle
and pound away at a few tablespoons of this compound that looks like rock
salt. It has some impurities, but they don't seem to matter. I add a little
of my black marbling paint to do this grinding. It takes a few minutes and
there may be a tiny bit of sludge left at bottom. I add enough paint to
make a rather light creamy consistency, then add several drops of ox-gall
to the mix.
Test this on your size (I use carrageenan, but others may work) and if it
sinks or is too dense add more water and a little more gall. If it is used
too thick, though the spots look great on the paper, they will rinse or run
off. You have to find the right balance.
I realize in a way this is almost as vague as the old formulas.....however
it works differently on different days even with the same brand of paints
(I use both watercolor and acrylic with this) .If the paint "clumps"
visibly in the center of the eye, that is an indication the paint is too
thick...add a little water and gall.
It is very difficult to give a precise formula with amounts of this or that
in marbling because every different kind of paint will react differently. I
don't even mean from acrylic to watercolor to oil,but from brand to brand
of the same type paint will also react differently. Then you have the
variable of type of size, thickness of paint, the weather, etc.
I hope this give you a good starting point for experimentation with this
elusive and beautifull pattern.
- Well, consider this a starting point. I only have used this with my own
paints, not all brands. It may or may not work with others, it may work
better with some for that matter. I do not intend to try it on all brands,
so will rely on reports from others....should be interesting.
While I should be working and replenishing stock, I am rather obsessed with
perfecting the sunspot and my shelves are practically empty of all other
patterns! No one should be allowed to have this much fun...and I have yet
to try the shaving cream.
If any of you want to see samples they are at my site at the top of the
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Thanks for sharing, Iris! I can't wait to try this!
Caryl Hancock, Indianapolis
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- Wow....these are amazing Iris! Okay...adding That to my list of
things to try and play with.
I can get potash easily here so this should be interesting. Thanks
for the tutorial:)
I've been playing with metal paints lately and have loved the
effect. Happily all silver, copper and gold floated like a dream and
they make a nice addition to the varieties possible, but I sure will
have to try the sunspots now as well.
Hmmm....wonder when I'll find time for my other art...this marbling
is too much fun.
- Thank you very much, Iris!
For those of you who live in Scandinavia (?) I've located a guy on the net
who sells potash (for the purpose of being used in "snus" (snuff/scoal)!).
He sells 80 grams for 51 SEK plus 11 SEK postage to be paid in advance via
"postgiro" or "bankgiro" and his address is kenneth@....
- I believe it should be the K20 kind....that should be a small "2" as in
chemicals. Can you find out what your kind is? And let us know if it works?
- Were the metallics acrylic? I have had terrible troubles in making a
watercolr gold that really stays on the paper. I had a good one once, but
couldn't sell/ship because it built up gasses in the bottle and could
- I will see the shaving cream experiment....running the same time as my
class. I don't know how he does it, haven't looked into it, but i would
think....if you sprayed it quickly on water (I would think the soap would
ruin size) and as it started disappearing, quickly lay the paper you might
get some really soft cloud effects. Just a guess, we will see. Maybe same
for whipped cream?
Diane are you out there....? Remember some of the weird stuff Paul Maurer
used years ago. I won't say. Will leave that up to you and/or Paul!
Paul....do you check in here?
- It seems as if "my" potash is K2CO3 (small 2, small 3). Haven't even tried
it yet, as I said, but I will give it a go although it's not the right
By the way, I love your sunspots but isn't the black supposed to be in the
"pupil" of the "eye"??
(Galen, you look FAN-TAS-TIC!)
> No, no, Iris...the whipped cream is to be used with chocolate and honey and ,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> maybe, blackstrap molasses. Who knows what the effects will be!! Gail
> I will see the shaving cream experiment....running the same time as my
> class. I don't know how he does it, haven't looked into it, but i would
> think....if you sprayed it quickly on water (I would think the soap would
> ruin size) and as it started disappearing, quickly lay the paper you might
> get some really soft cloud effects. Just a guess, we will see. Maybe same
> for whipped cream?
> Diane are you out there....? Remember some of the weird stuff Paul Maurer
> used years ago. I won't say. Will leave that up to you and/or Paul!
> Paul....do you check in here?
> Iris Nevins
- What's this about cream? I think Bailey's Irish Cream would be best. It
goes in the marbler, not in the marbling tray....I remember someone
mentioning playing with shaving cream many years ago way back at the San
Franciso marbling convention.
Re: Paul. He tried lots of different sizes, but not SC. He did use okra
once. This is the best use I can think of for the plant, but it was not great
for marbling. He added all sorts of cosmetics and creams for various
ailments to paints to make the colors do wierd things like segment or
reticulate. His greatest, wierdest art experiment was to collect all the dead
flies from our outdoor light fixtures, pull out their eyes and add it to a
batch of pulp to make "sparkly paper!"
He no longer marbles or stalks flies, and is now concentrating on painting
instead. BTW, it is flattering to know that my $19.95 Marbling book is now
collectible at $35, but The Ultimate Marbling Handbook at $24.95 is much
better. It shows more art by great American and international marblers and
also shows Chris Weimann at work on his fabulous marbling with resists and
stencils. Lots of wierd stuff here, too, like Paul's shoe polish marbling and
Susan Pogany's marbling using silicone spray and hairspray over floating
colors.Heck, you could use all sorts of contaminents on top of the shaving
Best regards to all,
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