RE : [Marbling] Marbling in Switzerland - thank you Jake!
- Hello everyone,
Thanks a million for all this good advice,
I was in Germany for the weekend and seized the opportunity to
investigate the marbling equipment they have in Munich. It seems it has
also gone out of fashion there but I eventually found a Deka set (the
size powder is still a mystery though) Im looking forward to testing.
Ill say more when I have read the book Ive ordered ("The Ultimate
Marbling Handbook" by Diane Maurer-Mathison). I had to order by chance
since there wasnt anything at all at my local bookshops.
Tried Pebeo again and tests are better but sometimes the paint just
peels off the paper when the sheet or fabric is being rinsed (???).
A still very determined Marlene ;-)
De : Jake Benson [mailto:jemiljan@...]
Envoyé : jeudi, 26. septembre 2002 22:04
À : Marbling list
Objet : [Marbling] Marbling in Switzerland
I wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
I agree that looking for distributors of food suppliers for carragheenan
a good place to start- but you may find you have to test the various
strengths to arrive at a successful method- so hard work and patience
as Milena said.
At the Ascona bookbinding school, which Vi mentioned, they do proffer a
of marbling which is referred to "Ascona Marbling". It is done with a
of oil color floated on a fairly viscous size, which appears to me to be
cellulose ether of some sort- It may be Methyl cellulose, but also could
ethulose (Sold under a brand name of Tylose). Since the oil colors
very strongly compared to acrylic and from water colors, the tougher
seems to be a good balance. Anne Chambers also told me once that she
Ethulose a better size for acrylics.
Ironically, I had always noticed a resemblance between Tini Miura's
"Oleaugraphs" and the style of marbling using the "Ascona Method". I
that Tini had studied in Ascona with the master binder Hugo Peller (in
1963). At the IMG, I asked her about this, and if she learned the
there. She replied that she had developed the marbling on her own, and
actually taught Hugo's Wife how to do it at that time .... And from that
emerged the so-called "Ascona Style".
A) you can contact the Ascona school and get their kit. They also sell
quality bookbinding tools and supplies.
B) you can search dairy suppliers (no shortage of that in Switzerland!)
carragheenan, but may have to try several varieties.
C) Karli Frigge and Geert Van Daal in Holland both used cooked moss-
dried Irish Moss can be found in a health food store?
D) Marie Ange Doizy in France mentions using Guar gum. This is also an
additive to foods. Ingrid Weimann told me that Christopher Weimann used
Guar Gum, with acrylic colors. I also think Michel Duval used a Gum
with oil colors. Suppliers in Paris could be Rouge et Plé
Sennelier (art supplies and high quality pigments), or perhaps a
supplier such as Jullien Leather can refer you to sources.
E) Nedim Sönmex in Germany has developed a line of "Sönmez Marbling
Colors"- a type of water color, which he told me is based on Halfer's
formulas. These appeared very nice and consistent, and would be
for traditional work. I am not sure if he is selling them to his
or not. He also uses carragheenan powder. As he is Germany, perhaps
is another source to chase. Personally, I make my own colors from dry
pigments and have used a number of pigments available from the german
company Kremer Pigmente. Kremer sells other supplies like Methyl
that can be used as a size with acrylics. Schminke also makes
finely ground pigments, but I like Dr. Kremer's quantity prices.
Everyone's name is listed in the directory that is aviable from Marie
Most important of all, please let us all know WHAT you find in the end,
these kinds of questions appear periodically. We need to develop an
awareness of supplies available in different countries around the
Benson's Hand Bindery
Fine Custom Bookbinding & Conservation
Hand Marbled Papers
1319 B Summerville Ave.
Columbia S.C. 29201
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