- For David, et al:
I have been marbling for over twenty years. Liquitex is my least
favorite brand as it contains too much binder and
very little pigment. My suggestion would be to practice your marbling
techniques on paper before you begin the challenge of fabrics, which
will add more "variables" to your note book on marbling. Formulas are
Probably the most important of all...and they will often need changing.
This is not an exact science, which you are learning. Every project may
have its own problems to contend with. What might work for me...perhaps
not for you!
Temperature, humidity, freshness of marbling supplies, etc. Your fabric
must be washed without soap, dried, ironed, alumed, dried, ironed. Then
it is ready for marbling. Perhaps your alum solution is to weak...or
too strong! Both can
cause pale colors, and most marblers do not use the same formula for
paper and fabric. Fabric can rot very quickly from excess alum in the
fibers over a short period of time. Also, you probably are not using
sufficient color saturation in the tank to begin with. This is a common
mistake with novices. What are you planning to do with it????? Please,
I hope not to soon peddle it to the public as beautiful marbling if you
are just learning the technique!!! It take many, many hours of
practice, and still can be most discouraging at any given moment!
I have worked with fabric, not my personal favorite surface for marbling
(also various weights of paper, masonite, plaster, wood- including an 8'
x 10' sectioned floor and a ton of bowls and vessels ). Get on the
internet and hunt down some current books on marbling by American
marblers (Iris Nevins, Patti and Mimi Schleicher, Laura Sims, Diane
Maurer-Mathison to name a few). Still, you will need some hands-on
instruction from a pro in teaching, or you will be making the same
mistakes over and over.
Frustration has reigned throughout the centuries. We all go through it
at one time or another. It's part of being a marbler. You either have
the "backbone" to continue...or not. Try contacting Violet Wilson in
Australia...one of the best of the best! She might be able to lead you
in the right direction as to proper materials, reading, etc., available
in your area of the world Good luck! Milena, USA
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- Yes...agreed with Milena....I have been so far removed from the commercial
acrylics for so long, I can't advise well, but Liquitex never filled the
bill for me either.
And Vi Wilson is a wonderful marbler from Australia, not sure where, maybe
you can look her up for advice. Also....Joan Ajala....are you out ther on
this list? Maybe you can drop a note.
- Hi Milena and Iris
Your kind comments are appreciated. I am in Southport (Gold Coast) in
Queensland, and if David is in Australia (or elsewhere for that matter) I
would be happy to hear from him and share my marb ling
experiences. Likewise, I am not a fan of acrylic. Guess it depends on the
end use of the marbling.
More than happy to assist .. if I can
At 07:34 AM 4/19/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes...agreed with Milena....I have been so far removed from the commercial
>acrylics for so long, I can't advise well, but Liquitex never filled the
>bill for me either.
>And Vi Wilson is a wonderful marbler from Australia, not sure where, maybe
>you can look her up for advice. Also....Joan Ajala....are you out ther on
>this list? Maybe you can drop a note.
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
- Hi Violet, I read your last post and am very grateful for your offer
of help. As I mentioned Iam interested in marbling fabric and as I
have just begun this quest have hit a few obstacles (mainly
appropriate supplys). The first being adequate paints which can be
purchased within Australia. I live in Scarborough north of Brisbane,
so we'd both experience similar weathers conditions, and was happy to
read in one of your previous posts that you haven't found the
Australia climate to hinder your work too much. I have been using
Pebeo marbling acrylic paints and are achieving reasonable results
considering they're my first attempts, however far from the visual
intensity of colour and pattern I have seen published. But you gotta
start somewhere!. I was wondering whether you may share with me
which paints you have found work well for fabric (cotton, rayon, and
silk). I have been told by Iris and a few others of paints they have
no doubt painstaking formulated with manufacturers, and I would love
to trial those eventually but at this stage due to cost restrictions,
i'd prefer paints easily obtainable from Aus'.
I read in an old submission of yours that you purchased your
carrageenan from the US, but I thought on the odd chance you weren't
aware of it, I found a supplier of carrageenan and other marbling
supplies in Victoria called Kraftkolour and I bought 1kg for $39
THanks V and others for the support.
- Hi David
Since we live quite close, it might be better for us to communicate by
phone, and I will email you privately with my phone number. In my opinion,
the Kraftcolour is no substitute for carrageen. After I speak with you we
can post to the list, anything that may be of help to other marblers. As
list manager, Jill, hope this is OK with you.
- Hello Iris
Yes, all things being equal, I will be there and it will be lovely to catch
up with people I have not seen since SF. I'm looking forward to seeing
>Hi Vi.....will you be coming to the gathering this year? We'd all love to
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
- No problem! If you are comfortable to exchange numbers, good. And certainly,
if there is a synopsis of your conversation that would be relevant to
marblers on the list, by all means post away!
----- Original Message -----
From: "V. Wilson" <rondelay@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Marbling] Hi 2 V Wilson
> Hi David
> Since we live quite close, it might be better for us to communicate by
> phone, and I will email you privately with my phone number. In my
> the Kraftcolour is no substitute for carrageen. After I speak with you we
> can post to the list, anything that may be of help to other marblers. As
> list manager, Jill, hope this is OK with you.
> Vi Wilson
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
- Hi David, Good to hear of another marbler in Australia, particularly
a keen new marbler! I see that Vi Wilson is going to contact you -
she is great person and fine teacher - always there to help when you
need her. I have tried marbling on cloth with some success using
Liquitex and Pebeo, both of which work well. However, as a new
marbler I found my general techniques were so poor that I did a
weekend workshop in watercolour marbling with Vi to learn more. That
was an eye opener! Two years later, I am still marbling on paper and
continuing to absorb more about this magical craft. When I get back
to marbling on cloth, wood etc., I know the time spent with paper
will have been more than worthwhile.
Concerning Kraftcolour carragheen, it is suitable for use with cloth,
and is used by Melbourne marblers, but it is disastrous for fine
marbling on paper. As long as you use only a styus for simple
patterning it is o.k., but it can't take combing. When I used it,
the pattern formed as a kind of thick jelly on the paper, took many
hours to dry, and peeled off in thick layers if washed off too
I live in Brunswick Heads, northern N.S.W., - you can find my phone
number in a directory if you would like to contact me. You may be
interested to contact Gerhard Veit, a local marbler with oils on
fabric who has sold his beautiful marbled cloth for years at local
markets. Nigel Sparrow marbles acrylics on cottons professionally
and may still live locally - he used to sell finished garments using
his cloth. Best regards, Joan Ajala