6561Re: [Marbling] Re: marbling database
- Mar 4, 2012That's sounds absolutely clever, Laura. Congratulations���
Many people in Spain think marble paper is old fashioned, even if the
pattern you offer is completely original and modern��
Hidro-impresion, this will be the word in Spanish...
2012/3/4 Laura Sims <indigostone2@...>
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> Though I understand the need for clear communication while dealing with a
> client, patterns with a story like NJ Ripple seem to add extra flavor and
> individualization to the process. I made a decision to work exclusively on
> textiles a few years ago and found that other fiber artists familiar with
> ebru/marbling only identified it with classical patterns used on paper.
> Since I found that limiting for my product line and teaching possibilities
> I began using the term hydro-printing and have had positive results for my
> Health and Happiness to all,
> Laura Sims
> From: irisnevins <irisnevins@...>
> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Marbling] Re: marbling database
> And my comment on names being made up was not really a critique, because
> there are no standardized names. I have as well made up names, so had Chris
> Weimann .Ribbon Spanish I believe he made up, if Ingrid is reading maybe
> she knows...but that was his name for what I called Zebra, yet Ribbon
> Spanish describes it fully. What I call Rainbow Spanish, as far as I have
> researched, and I have an extensive (as far as marbling books go!)
> collection of old marbling books, as well as more modern, I have never seen
> that pattern at all in a book, and only saw TWO examples from the 1800s, in
> my 34 years of marbling. They were on an old book and one loose endpaper
> leaf. So when I called it Rainbow Spanish, it was because I had to call it
> something since I wrote the Spanish Marbling book and it was included
> This actually doesn't bother me at all, the comment was not meant to
> convey annoyance, I actually found it interesting, the names people come up
> with. The only real problem is when someone for example orders "Peacock",
> and I send Peacock and they expected Bouquet because some people (and
> books, I can't recall which) use the name Peacock... or "Fan". Visuals are
> best referred to when it comes to pattern names, and critical when taking
> I too have thus made up names. My favorite name story, I did a "Zebra" but
> rather than give it a Spanish wave, and by the way, without the Spanish
> wave it is still often called Zebra, there is no right or wrong to it, just
> different, anyway I did a Moire ripple to it. I was set up at a show and
> had some for sale, and someone asked the name of the pattern. I had none.
> As a JOKE, I called it "New Jersey Ripple". I never intended the name to
> stick, but lo and behold, he bought a few, had some books bound by a
> bookbinder who showed some other binder friends and book people. They all
> called it NJ Ripple. I was getting calls (we had no email yet in those
> days!) ordering NJ Ripple. So this is how it happens.
> Another time, when I was working on my first book, "Traditional Marbling",
> I had a pattern which was combed and swirled, a common thing to do with the
> paints. I had to call it something. So I wrote for the printer (I mean a
> real printer, we hadn't PCs at the time!) FREEFORM COMB. He misread it, or
> glanced and typeset from memory and wrote FREEDOM COMB. Maybe I was rushed
> or something, juggling a marbling business, raising a daughter, and
> breeding Shelties, but I totally missed it on the proofs! So it became
> FREEDOM COMB and stuck. I just go with it because that is what people
> started calling it when ordering from me. Others have different names.
> People have attempted or at least suggested standardization of names to no
> avail. Combed is nonpareil, bouquet is peacock, snail is French curl, etc.
> All I was pointing out was, if it were taken otherwise, amusement at the
> fact, and I rather enjoy reading the names people come up with. Anyway who
> and what organization or librarian or whatever would assume they had the
> authority to change our pet names. If I were told I could no longer use the
> name NJ Ripple because someone decided otherwise, I'd use it anyway and not
> Iris Nevins
> On 03/01/12, hamburgerbuntpapier_de<studio@...> wrote:
> Sue, what they have done is simply imprecise work. Imprecision doesn't
> further research, it is a hindrance at best and and a killer at worst.
> Meaning: if you have a collection at your disposal and have thought about
> it and want to share the results with others in the field, that's fine. If
> you want to further research and do it by an online database, that's good.
> If you ask specialists to join you in your efforts, that's even better.
> If you use terms that are not on the top end of current research and find
> out about this, correct them as soon as possible. If you find new sources,
> use them. If you're out of funds or staff or have lost interest, take your
> database offline at once as your final gift to research. If that's too
> much, make it crystal clear that your database has not been updated since
> ... and that research has progressed since and that your database is not
> any longer to be relied on.
> Years ago, when the link was brought up in the group for the first time, I
> contacted them, are you interested in support? Yes we are. Sent in a
> longish list of things to be noted and things to be done; incl. sources and
> a renowned American contact to give me a bona fides and all. Got a reply
> that, as I obviously knew quite a lot on the subject, I should transfer
> every remark into a form. The form was made out for American librarians.
> I'm neither, and while I can get by in four and a half languages besides
> German I don't know any Librarianish. So I filled in one form for one item
> (which incl. consulting two printed and one online dictionary took me about
> as long as assembling the whole list) and said, please check this out with
> my list and tell me what I need to do better or differently. Didn't hear
> anything. Sent another tentative mail, heard nothing. Gave up. Nothing has
> changed since in the database.
> Susanne Krause
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