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6549Re: [Marbling] Re: marbling database

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  • irisnevins
    Mar 1, 2012
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      And my comment on names being made up was not really a critique, because there are no standardized names. I have as well made up names, so had Chris Weimann .Ribbon Spanish I believe he made up, if Ingrid is reading maybe she knows...but that was his name for what I called Zebra, yet Ribbon Spanish describes it fully. What I call Rainbow Spanish, as far as I have researched, and I have an extensive (as far as marbling books go!) collection of old marbling books, as well as more modern, I have never seen that pattern at all in a book, and only saw TWO examples from the 1800s, in my 34 years of marbling. They were on an old book and one loose endpaper leaf. So when I called it Rainbow Spanish, it was because I had to call it something since I wrote the Spanish Marbling book and it was included there.

      This actually doesn't bother me at all, the comment was not meant to convey annoyance, I actually found it interesting, the names people come up with. The only real problem is when someone for example orders "Peacock", and I send Peacock and they expected Bouquet because some people (and books, I can't recall which) use the name Peacock... or "Fan". Visuals are best referred to when it comes to pattern names, and critical when taking orders.

      I too have thus made up names. My favorite name story, I did a "Zebra" but rather than give it a Spanish wave, and by the way, without the Spanish wave it is still often called Zebra, there is no right or wrong to it, just different, anyway I did a Moire ripple to it. I was set up at a show and had some for sale, and someone asked the name of the pattern. I had none. As a JOKE, I called it "New Jersey Ripple". I never intended the name to stick, but lo and behold, he bought a few, had some books bound by a bookbinder who showed some other binder friends and book people. They all called it NJ Ripple. I was getting calls (we had no email yet in those days!) ordering NJ Ripple. So this is how it happens.

      Another time, when I was working on my first book, "Traditional Marbling", I had a pattern which was combed and swirled, a common thing to do with the paints. I had to call it something. So I wrote for the printer (I mean a real printer, we hadn't PCs at the time!) FREEFORM COMB. He misread it, or glanced and typeset from memory and wrote FREEDOM COMB. Maybe I was rushed or something, juggling a marbling business, raising a daughter, and breeding Shelties, but I totally missed it on the proofs! So it became FREEDOM COMB and stuck. I just go with it because that is what people started calling it when ordering from me. Others have different names.

      People have attempted or at least suggested standardization of names to no avail. Combed is nonpareil, bouquet is peacock, snail is French curl, etc. All I was pointing out was, if it were taken otherwise, amusement at the fact, and I rather enjoy reading the names people come up with. Anyway who and what organization or librarian or whatever would assume they had the authority to change our pet names. If I were told I could no longer use the name NJ Ripple because someone decided otherwise, I'd use it anyway and not conform.

      Iris Nevins

      On 03/01/12, hamburgerbuntpapier_de<studio@...> wrote:

      Sue, what they have done is simply imprecise work. Imprecision doesn't further research, it is a hindrance at best and and a killer at worst.

      Meaning: if you have a collection at your disposal and have thought about it and want to share the results with others in the field, that's fine. If you want to further research and do it by an online database, that's good. If you ask specialists to join you in your efforts, that's even better.


      If you use terms that are not on the top end of current research and find out about this, correct them as soon as possible. If you find new sources, use them. If you're out of funds or staff or have lost interest, take your database offline at once as your final gift to research. If that's too much, make it crystal clear that your database has not been updated since ... and that research has progressed since and that your database is not any longer to be relied on.

      Years ago, when the link was brought up in the group for the first time, I contacted them, are you interested in support? Yes we are. Sent in a longish list of things to be noted and things to be done; incl. sources and a renowned American contact to give me a bona fides and all. Got a reply that, as I obviously knew quite a lot on the subject, I should transfer every remark into a form. The form was made out for American librarians. I'm neither, and while I can get by in four and a half languages besides German I don't know any Librarianish. So I filled in one form for one item (which incl. consulting two printed and one online dictionary took me about as long as assembling the whole list) and said, please check this out with my list and tell me what I need to do better or differently. Didn't hear anything. Sent another tentative mail, heard nothing. Gave up. Nothing has changed since in the database.

      Susanne Krause


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