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  • irisnevins
    Aug 24, 2006
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      Yes Dolores... I sure remember that dried seaweed! I still keep some in a jar as a souvenir! I once collected what looked like it on the beach in Maine and it worked, though wasn't very strong.

      Before I knew that you were supposed to let carrageenan sit up to 24 hours, I used to belnd it up with hot water that morning and fill my tray with more hot water...I think the heat really got it going... then I'd skim, and marble. I do find, living in a really hard water area, it is better to let sit at least 12 hours, it really smoothes out. You just do what works for you, all advice is a starting point. I know if I make it where I live now it will not be ready in an hour, my lines won't be smooth.

      I never heard of distilled water until I marbled for years, I don't get all the mystery about it, I do tell people use it just in case, but I do think life is easier when you adapt to what you have. I have always marbled with hard and harder water, and the only adjustment is that I use a little more carrageenan in hard water. When I have marbled in NYC or a soft water town, I use less, it really turns to jello otherwise.

      My main problem is hot weather and too high humidity. I have learned to adapt to everything else. I am no fan of methylcel, I know it keeps longer but I just make what I'll use in a day and dump it, it's so dirty anyway after a day of marbling I wouldn't even want to look at it again. I Will give the methylcel another shot with acrylics and fabric at some point, many swear by it, I still use carrageenan.

      Right about paint companies changing things, it's why I make paint. I keep the formulas consistent, no surprises...though the darned cadmium red is always quirky in summer. I am using it today and had to actually water it down to get it brighter....go figure!

      well back to work...

      iris nevins

      PS...I had some Irish visitors recently who wanted to make a pudding out of the carrageenan, we never got around to it though..I'll have to ask for the recipe!
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      From: Guffey<mailto:dguff@...>
      To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:22 PM
      Subject: Re: [Marbling] Very disheartened newbie

      I'll put my 2 cents in as well. I've been marbling since 1976 and have always used carrageenan (for years the dried form which had to be boiled and strained and now the blender type) and both Liquitex and Ultrecht acrylic paints. Out of curiosity, I tried some methyl cel the last time I marbled, and had two tanks set up (one carrageenan, one methyl cel). Using the same paints I couldn't get them to work on the methyl cel, and I had no trouble on the carrageenan. I don't know if I mixed the methyl cel correctly, or even if it was the right type of methyl cel (there are different chemical compositions).

      That being said, there are so many variables that only you can experiment with. Hard water, vs. soft; different colors of paint (some Liquitex colors work just fine, some either sink or chase). Even after you find a color that works, and buy it at a later time, it might not work as the company has changed the formulation.

      I know this must sound exceptionally frustrating for a newbie but once you get it to work it will be worth all the trouble. Perhaps those on this list who do use methyl can offer some advice, I know I'd like to know some hints so I can try it again.

      As a side note, I found there is no need to mix blender carrageenan the night before, or as some instructions say 24 hours in advance. I use an emersion blender (one of those hand-held types for mixing drinks) in a deep bowl with powdered carrageenan and blend for about a minute. CAUTION...be sure the blender is in the bowl and churning before you SLOWLY add the carrageenan, otherwise you'll just have a congealed mess. I think the "rule" of mixing the night before comes from the old boil & strain dried carrageenan times.

      Any other hints our list members might have will be greatly appreciated by all of us.

      Happy Marbling,

      d. guffey

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