I never stated that I believed a business should be allowed to operate outside the law. Nor did I take issue with your advocacy for your community (unlike certain VP candidates, I really don't think community organizers are people we should be denigrating- but that is a topic for different listservs). I requested 1. a link to the ode you referred to in which you link a dead drug dealer to the establishment , 2. further information on any citations they may have already received and 3. further information on any steps that may have been taken to remedy the situation with the owners. And as a patron of the establishment I presented an alternate viewpoint to others who may not be familiar with it. I would think having a locally owned business in a community with horrific levels of violence would be an asset to the community since the owners would be invested in both the success of community and the business since it is where they live and work. If the police have been called multiple times, have their been any citations from the calls?
It is my understanding that it is next to impossible to obtain a liquor/ tavern license in the city without entering a voluntary agreement with the ANC responsible for the area for the location the business operates within. Doesn't this process also allow for the community to raise objections to the issuance of the license? And if the majority of the community is opposed and there are continued legal violations and citations, aren't mechanisms in place to close the business?
I took an interest in your post when it was sent to multiple groups in 5D because, as stated, I have been a patron at the establishment for a year now and I do enjoy going there so I would miss it if it were gone. I was not aware of the establishment having received any citations and wanted more information on that. I was genuinely curious as to whether there was a middle ground here but as I searched unsuccessfully for the ode you mentioned I just continued to turn up more information to your opposition to the establishment from the beginning. It seems like my belief anything positive could come out of the situation was misplaced.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 3:33 PM, <khenderson029@...>
I have included the entire section from which you extracted your partial
quote. It reads as follows:
Increasingly, this community which is partially located in Trinidad,
has endured horrific levels of violence, forcing our police to respond strongly
and often. We believe the police cannot fight crime alone and we must address
all elements that contribute to crime and disorder, including protesting alcohol
establishments that operate contrary to the law.
Your response is interesting. Do you disagree with my point that alcohol
establishments that operate outside of the law contribute to crime and disorder
in a community? If so, I strongly encourage you to contact the National
Institute for Drug Abuse, which can provide you with ample research confirming
the increase in crime and disorder in communities that have businesses that sell
alcohol; this is especially true for businesses that operate outside of the
law. Jimmy Valentine's Lonely Hearts Club is located within 1200 feet of
six other establishments that sell alcohol and is quickly becoming part of the
problem because of the trash, unattractive, damaged facade and disgruntled
owner. Let's not forget the police have been called to the establishment
more than once.
The fact remains that the majority of citizens residing in ANC 5B10 do not
support this establishment, which is located within ANC 5B10. It has been my
experience that the most vocal supporters of this establishment are Mr. Thorp's
friends and persons who generally live outside of ANC 5B10. If you
take issue with my stance to advocate for my community, so be it. I believe our
community is worth fighting for and we deserve increased public safety not less.
No community should have to tolerate a business that negatively affects
the area in which it is located.