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14006RE: [MPD-5D] Speed Limits: What's love got to do with it?

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  • Peter Vail
    Sep 11, 2012
      L. Bernat,

      My concern is that I do not believe there is adequate speed limit signage before the camera right after the Maine Ave exit on 395. Tack marks on the lanes are a poor indicator.  I am not certain if the cameras installed on Florida Ave NE on the traffic light at the Gallaudet main entrance are for speeding - but there is certainly inadequate signage there as well.

      Cameras aren't my issue. If you want people to drive the speed limit, the first step should be communicating what the speed limit is.



      To: MPD-5D@yahoogroups.com
      From: Edward.Bernat@...
      Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:52:46 -0400
      Subject: RE: [MPD-5D] Speed Limits: What's love got to do with it?


      The Speed and Red Light Cameras are in place to reduce accidents and to save lives.  When ever a person travels at a slower speed the reaction time is greater.  The difference between hitting a person at 25 MPH and 35 MPH could be life or death for all parties involved.  The penalty for being cited by the camera is a civil fine and does not carry any points, as opposed to any citation given by and officers which would carry points against the driver.  The easiest way to prevent paying the fine is to obey the speed limit or traffic control lights.  By doing this you would prevent the city or any jurisdiction from making any revenues. But making revenue is not the goal of this technology.


      DCMR Title 18 covers traffic regulations in the city.  Section 2200 covers the speed restrictions in the District of Columbia.  Section 2200.06 reads, as follows:


      On all streets and highways, unless otherwise designated in accordance with § 2200.2, the maximum lawful speed shall be twenty-five miles per hour (25 mph).


      I would also invite you to read sections 2200.1, 2200.2 and 2200.3.  Section 2200.3 could get you a ticket regardless of the posted speed limits should you get cited for driving at a speed which is unreasonable for the traffic conditions, such are rain, snow or construction.


      2200.1     Except when a special hazard exists that requires lower speed for compliance with this section, the limits specified in this section, or established as authorized in § 2200.2, shall be the maximum lawful speeds, and no person shall drive a vehicle on a street or highway at a speed in excess of such maximum limits.


      2200.2  Whenever the Mayor determines, upon the basis of an engineering and traffic investigation made by the Director, that any speed limit set forth in this section is greater or less than is reasonable or safe under the conditions found to exist at any intersection or other place or upon any part of a street or highway, he or she may determine and declare a reasonable and safe speed limit which shall be effective at all times, during the hours of daylight or darkness, or at such other times as may be determined when appropriate signs giving notice of the speed limits are erected at such intersections or other place or part of the highway.


      2200.3     No person shall drive a vehicle on a street or highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing.



      Anywhere in the United States the speed limit for residential areas are 25 mph unless otherwise posted. I have been on the police department  long enough to have seen the difference in damage and injury from a crash being struck at 25 mph or less as opposed to 35 mph.  There is a huge difference in injury. 


      If you travel from one location to another at 25 mph and then at 35 mph the difference in arrival time is so insignificant that it makes no sense in speeding and possibly putting children at risk of injury or even death.  Trust me if you were to seriously injure someone from negligence by speeding the cost would far greater to you and your family than the fine placed on you by the city.  


      I hope this answers any questions about the cameras and speed limits.



      Edward R. Bernat



      Patrol Services and School Security Bureau

      Fifth District

      1805 Bladensburg Road, N.E.

      Washington, D.C. 20002

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      Email: edward.bernat@...


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      From: MPD-5D@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MPD-5D@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Leemah
      Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 10:04 PM
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      Subject: Re: [MPD-5D] Speed Limits: What's love got to do with it?



      Perhaps investigating the makers of the cameras, when and how they are calibrated, what are the accuracy percentages, their reliability any defects, etc.

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      Subject: [MPD-5D] Speed Limits: What's love got to do with it?



      Geovani, generally, ignorance of the law is no defense against its enforcement.

      So I'm curious. What DC code are you referencing and how does it read? And how specifically is the law being violated by the use of mobile speed cams?

      In my experience, Virginia is much tougher on speed limit enforcement than the District. Lower speeds always allow a driver more time to react safely to unexpected conditions. Given DC's dense population, with its crazy L'Enfant street layout and many kid pedestrians (always an unpredictable driving situation), I can't fault the chiefs at all for trying to save lives and limbs with tough speed limit enforcement.


      --- In MPD-5D@yahoogroups.com, "Lanier, Cathy (MPD)" <cathy.lanier@...> wrote:

      What area Geovani?


      From: Geovani A Bonilla <gbonilla@...>
      To: MPD-5D@yahoogroups.com <MPD-5D@yahoogroups.com>; Lanier, Cathy (MPD)
      Sent: Sat Sep 08 10:32:54 2012
      Subject: Love Letters from Chief Lanier (Not So Nice)

      Chief you know I love you and am a big fan, but I don’t enjoy getting love letters from you. Those mobile speeding cameras are killing me. I would rather make a $125 donation to MPD directly. The issues that I have with some of the love letters is that speed limits are not posted in many of the areas where the mobile speed cameras are being placed; DC ordinance required that for the fine to be enforceable, there MUST be visible signage.  So I suggest MPD really considers this law before placing cameras all over the place to ensure that a law abiding (though not always speed abiding) citizen thinks that he/she is okay driving at 35 MPH due to lack of speed limit signs and get a nice love letter from MPD because the actual speed limit is 25 MPH.



      Geovani A. Bonilla

      Bates Area Civic Association

      Email: gbonilla@...



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