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- Jan 8H Phil,What about those members that do not have a Facebook account and for whatever reason(s) will not join Facebook?Make no mistake, Facebook Messenger is Facebook (so is WhatsApp for that matter). Originally Messenger was a bolt on to the main Facebook site, but Facebook opened it up to people without a Facebook account to get new people to sign up, but it is still linked to the main site and if you have a messenger account you have a Facebook account created by default. All you need to do is set a password in Messenger and bingo, there's your Facebook account. To say you can use Messenger without joining Facebook is disingenuous - you sign up to Messenger you've signed up to Facebook whether you use the main site or not.Personally, Facebook is far too cavalier with peoples' personal and private information. There's a reason why Facebook is being dragged over the coals for violation of privacy in the US, UK, EU and Australia, and to make the move to use Messenger is essentially forcing members who would otherwise not join Facebook into handing over their personal information and join Facebook. In my opinion that is wrong.Just because other clubs are using it doesn't mean it is the best choice. For instance, I am also a member of the WVHGC which uses Messenger solely. Since I have joined, and as I am not on Facebook or Messenger, I have received a total of zero communications from them. That is not what I call using Messenger effectively, especially if it alienates paid members.Any communications platform that does not have 100% buy in is not fit for purpose.There are better platforms available that dont sell your personal information to all and sundry or datamine your devices. Telegram for example, all you need to do is download the app, enter your phone number and you are set up, no personal information required. Just as easy if not easier than setting up Facebook Messenger."We do understand the dislike of Facebook" If you understand the dislike of Facebook then why would you choose a platform that people dislike? If people dislike something it's highly unlikely they will use it.Anyway, that's my two cents.DeanSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 at 10:24 PM
From: "phil philphil1966@... [MHGC]" <MHGC@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [MHGC] MHGC Messenger GroupLast year the subject of the Yahoo Email Group being unreliable was raised multiple times. This was especially true when trying to organise flying as messages were often delayed by hours or days.A number of options were discussed, but in order to simply things it was decided to make the most of the existing Facebook Group and create an “MHGC” Messenger Group for organising flying.So we’re going to:• Use the existing FB Group for all event organisation and other club business.• Use the new “MHGC” Messenger Group for organising flying activities.• Over time phase out the Yahoo Group due to its unreliability.All other options would have resulted in the majority of members requiring yet another account.We do understand the dislike of Facebook, which is why we've put the effort into investigating and documenting how to set-up a minimal account just for club use.The reality is that all the other VIC clubs are using Facebook and Messenger effectively, so it's already a reality for most club members.The details of the Facebook Group, how to set-up a minimal Facebook account and invitations to join the VIC Messenger groups can be found on our web-site:Any and all feedback welcome.Phil SeeleyMHGC President - << Previous post in topic Next post in topic >>