Re: Recent Discovery "Other" - Great Great Maternal Grandparents were Delaware Moors
- Hi, just call me Beatty. Nice to meet you.
I was just looking over your family's website. Oh I do evny you
having pictures of your gr. gr. grandparents and some other family
members. I would love to not only find more information past my
grandparents, but I would love to come across some family photos. I
wouldn't know how to act if I ever did. That would be like the
ultimate for me in my searching.
You're right, people only see you as you look. So if you look
mostly White, that's what people see you as, or if you look mostly
Black, that's what they see as. Start telling them about your mixed
ancestory and if they don't see anything visibly of another ethnic
group that you are mixed with, they doubt what you're saying.
Genes are funny though. Not funny as in ha ha funny, but in the way
they show up in us all. I've seen many people that look like one
parent solely over the other. Or they don't look like either
parent, but maybe a grandparent or gr. grandparent. Then some
people look a little bit like both parents and all their
grandparents, they have something physical manifestation seen from
all of them.
I have a picture of me in my profile, I was 8 yrs. old in the pic
and I'm in it with my mother. From my mother's parents, my
grandparents there is a mix of Black or African, Native American,
and White, Irish I'm told. In my mother though she looks mostly
Black, she clearly had some Native features but you can't see her
White mix. In me, you can clearly see the White mix from the red
hair. I was born with red hair, which is more auburn now and mixed
with grey. lol But if it wasn't for the color of my hair, people
would doubt seriously that we had mixed White ancestory. Though I
have red hair, my skin isn't real light, it's more of a brown tan
and it matches my hair. But in me you barely see any of the Native
ancestory. So this is what I mean by genes being funny. It shows
up how it wants to and in the way it wants. It doesn't make those
of us who are of mixed ancestory any less mixed though. Society
will try to make you believe that it's too far back to count. That
is no such thing. It is never too far back to not count.
Like you, I feel more then what I look like on the outside. My
spirit, my inner being is more of who I am. And when people get to
know me that's what stands out more then my physical appearance.
And I'm proud of that the inner me is what people see more then my
physical ethnic characteristics. American society throughout
history is preoccupied with one's skin color and how you should be
catgorized, where as in other countries and cultures, the
importantance of that isn't such a big thing as it is here. I'd
like to see when we get like that here also. Where yes your
ethnicity counts, but it's not the main thing about you.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Loren Kelly"
> Hello Beatrice:Knowledge is
> Thank you for your response and for all of the information.
> definitely power, as many say! <grin> I have always detestedlabels or
> categories, especially when dealing with people. So whatpercentage of
> Native American or African that I might be is not really myprimary focus.
> Suffice it to say, that you can not see the Native American orAfrican of my
> tri-racial genotype (lineage) as being evident (at all) in myphenotype
> (appearance). In fact, it is totally hidden from sight (But nowit is not
> totally hidden from my mind and whom I might vocalize it to).This is only
> because I recently (November 2004) became aware of it; whereasbefore I was
> not). However, as a genealogist and historian, I embrace myheritage and it
> is very important to me. The Native American and Africantraditions and
> customs that were practiced bystudy
> my ancestors have been lost to me and to those who follow me. I
> would certainly like to regain them. I guess the only way is to
> the history of the time and attempt to find some distant cousinsfrom
> the Delaware Moors who are still located in and around Cheswold,did
> I recently began vocalizing my Native American and African lineage
> to a few close friends (Some White; some Native American; and some
> African American). Their reaction was interesting. Some of them
> not believe me at first. I showed some of them pictures of myGreat
> Great Grandparents where the appearance was more noticable. Iat me
> also showed them where my Great Great Grand parents were listed
> on the 1850 Federal Census as Mulatto and on the 1870 Federal
> Census as "free persons of color" Almost all of my friends looked
> like I was crazy when I first told them. For the most part, afterI
> explained it, I think (hope) that most of them understood I wastelling them
> the truth. This is all new to me, but from what I can tell, it isdifficult
> for people to accept you as belonging to another racial group,belonging
> unless you at least show some visible physical appearance of
> to that racial group. Think about it. If you appeared white andyou
> approached an African American and told them you were AfricanAmerican, or
> American, what do you think their reaction would be?
> And perhaps it is a question of belonging. Am I White, Native
> African American? Can I be each one individually or all at thesame time?
> I am sure that many people have differing opinions on this.However, I know
> who I actually am, because I have lived with myself for all ofthese years
> and, in my mind, race really has very little to do with the personthat I
> truly am. It is merely used as an identifer by others to identifygroup of
> (categorize) me. My genes are real and I proudly descend from a
> culturally identifiable people called thething
> Delaware Moors in my maternal line. So that doesn't mean my
> race or ethnicity is not important to me as a part of my heritage.
> I personally believe that the knowledge that I now have is a good
> and it is too bad that this was not discussed with me by my mother(if
> she even knew) or my Grandmother (I am sure she was aware). Allthem.
> of their generations are now deceased, so I cannot discuss it with
> I do believe the Nanticoke Moor culture, traditions and customs
> important. So I will continue to research and pass these down tomy
> children and their children's children. It has to start somewhereand
> I have decided that it will start with me.follows:
> I am just now constructing my Family History Web-Site (Kelly Irish-
> Canadian Korner).
> If you are interested, please check out my genelaogy website as
> Thanks for listening.
> Loren Kelly
> Original Message -----
> From: "wergifts2" <soaptalk@h...>
> To: <email@example.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:59 PM
> Subject: [mgmafroeuropeans] Re: Recent Discovery "Other" - Great
> Maternal Grandparents were Delaware MoorsAuthorID=9014&id=5920
> Hi Loren,
> Welcome to the group !!!
> We are very happy to have you
> here and that you have joined !!
> Your story is very interesting and personally,
> I've always been a bit fascinated by experiences
> of "multi"-racial (Mixed) people who were
> either raised as "mono"-racial (whether as white,
> black, Asian, etc.) and had no idea that
> they were actually "multi"-racial and/or
> were raised in an environment in which they felt
> it necessary to downplay their "multi"-racial
> (Mixed) lineage and, thus, are just now currently
> "discovering" their "multi"-racial selves as an adult)
> Although there are a number of comments I wanted to
> make regarding your posting - since you specifically
> asked for feedback on one particular section -- I did
> want to go ahead and respond back to you ASAP.
> YOU WROTE:
> [["Hello to the List:
> I am new to the list and hope that I have
> found a place to discuss this issue.
> I have lived most of my life as a white man
> and was unaware until recently that my
> mother's maternal line were tri-racial. .
> Has anyone else had this type of experience
> (i.e.: raised as one race and then found out later
> in life that they were indeed of mixed-blood.
> How have you handled it and
> how do you feel about it? ...
> I am asking others to share a
> similar story, if they have one.
> Bottom-line, this is part of who I am.
> I accept it and embrace the struggle
> that my forebears must have undergone.
> BTW, I still feel like the same person
> that I have always been. <grin>
> Loren Kelly]].
> MY REPLY:
> ((While - I feel that my tri-racial genotype (lineage)
> has always been evident in my phenotype (appearance),
> --- I did think that you might find the following
> information to be of interest and I hope you find
> it to be of help and very informative as well.
> Have a nice day.
> ******The Information is found below :-)******
> AUTHOR -- LINDA J. ALEXANDER
> VERY GOOD WIFE: ALICE JONES
> ENTERTAINER - CAROL CHANNING
> REPORTER: MITCHELL OWENS
> PROFESSOR: GREGORY HOWARD WILLIAMS
> The Case of Susie Guillory Phipps
> ON "PASSING" AS A "MONO"-RACIAL OF ANY SORT
> FAMOUS MULTIRACIAL "WHITE"-AMERICANS
> INTERESTING THEORIES ON A FEW FAMOUS PEOPLE:
> FAMOUS FAMILIES & GROUPS
> KNOWN FOR BEING MULTIRACIAL
> FAMOUS MULTIRACIAL "WHITES" FOUND WORLDWIDE
> OTHER FAMOUS MULTIRACIAL "WHITE"-AMERICANS
> INTERESTING COMMENTARY:
> BOOKS (FICTION)
> 1. Family
> --by J. California Cooper
> 2. The Wake of the Wind
> --by J. California Cooper
> 3. Kindred
> --by Octavia Butler
> BOOKS (NON-FICTION)
> 1. Critical White Studies: Looking Behind the Mirror
> by Richard Delgado
> 2. How the Irish Became White
> by Noel Ignatiev)
> 3. Are Italians White?: How Race is Made in America
> by Jennifer Guglielmo / Salvatore Salerno
> 4. How Jews Became White Folks
> by Karen Brodkin
> 5. Whiteness of a Different Color
> by Matthew Frye Jacobson
> 6. The Invention of the White Race
> by Theodore W. Allen
> 7. Colored White: Transcending the Racial Past
> by David R. Roediger
> 8.White by Law: The Legal Construction of Race
> by Ian F. Haney Lopez
> 9. White On Arrival
> by Thomas A. Guglielmo
> 10. Whiteness of a Different Color
> by Matthew Frye Jacobson
> 11. The Saga of Coe Ridge
> by William Montell
> 12. The Wages of Whiteness
> by David R. Roediger
> 13. The Possessive Investment in Whiteness
> by George Lipsitz
> 14. Making Whiteness
> by Grace Elizabeth Hale
> 15. Black Lies, White Lies
> by Tony Brown
> 16. Suburban Warriors
> by Lisa McGirr
> 17. Aint' I A Woman
> by bell hooks
> 18. Black Macho & The Myth of the Superwoman
> by Michelle Wallace
> 19. Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Bucks
> by Donald Bogle
> 20. Before the Mayflower
> by L. Bennett Jr.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
- Hi Loren,
Actually our new member 'Beatrice' is not the person who
responded to your posting / forwarded the data to you.
The repsonse / data was from one of the group
moderators -- who goes by the name of "AllPeople".
Glad that you found the information to be
of help and, again, welcome to the group
-- we are glad to have you here !!
"Loren Kelly" <Sirkelly52@...>wrote:
Thank you for your response and for all of the information.
Knowledge is definitely power, as many say! <grin> ...
If you are interested, please check out my genelaogy website as follows:
Thanks for listening.
Original Message -----
Welcome to the group !!!
We are very happy to have you
here and that you have joined !!
Your story is very interesting and personally,
I've always been a bit fascinated by experiences
of "multi"-racial (Mixed) people who were
either raised as "mono"-racial (whether as white,
black, Asian, etc.) and had no idea that
they were actually "multi"-racial and/or
were raised in an environment in which they felt
it necessary to downplay their "multi"-racial
(Mixed) lineage and, thus, are just now currently
"discovering" their "multi"-racial selves as an adult)
Although there are a number of comments I wanted to
make regarding your posting - since you specifically
asked for feedback on one particular section -- I did
want to go ahead and respond back to you ASAP.
[["Hello to the List:
I am new to the list and hope that I have
found a place to discuss this issue.
I have lived most of my life as a white man
and was unaware until recently that my
mother's maternal line were tri-racial. .
Has anyone else had this type of experience
(i.e.: raised as one race and then found out later
in life that they were indeed of mixed-blood.
How have you handled it and
how do you feel about it? ...
I am asking others to share a
similar story, if they have one.
Bottom-line, this is part of who I am.
I accept it and embrace the struggle
that my forebears must have undergone.
BTW, I still feel like the same person
that I have always been. <grin>
((While - I feel that my tri-racial genotype (lineage)
has always been evident in my phenotype (appearance),
--- I did think that you might find the following
information to be of interest and I hope you find
it to be of help and very informative as well.
Have a nice day.
-- (AllPeople/ G.i.f.t.s.)
******The Information is found below :-)******
AUTHOR -- LINDA J. ALEXANDER
VERY GOOD WIFE: ALICE JONES
ENTERTAINER - CAROL CHANNING
REPORTER: MITCHELL OWENS
PROFESSOR: GREGORY HOWARD WILLIAMS
The Case of Susie Guillory Phipps
ON "PASSING" AS A "MONO"-RACIAL OF ANY SORT
FAMOUS MULTIRACIAL "WHITE"-AMERICANS
INTERESTING THEORIES ON A FEW FAMOUS PEOPLE:
FAMOUS FAMILIES & GROUPS
KNOWN FOR BEING MULTIRACIAL
FAMOUS MULTIRACIAL "WHITES" FOUND WORLDWIDE
OTHER FAMOUS MULTIRACIAL "WHITE"-AMERICANS
--by J. California Cooper
2. The Wake of the Wind
--by J. California Cooper
--by Octavia Butler
1. Critical White Studies: Looking Behind the Mirror
by Richard Delgado
2. How the Irish Became White
by Noel Ignatiev)
3. Are Italians White?: How Race is Made in America
by Jennifer Guglielmo / Salvatore Salerno
4. How Jews Became White Folks
by Karen Brodkin
5. Whiteness of a Different Color
by Matthew Frye Jacobson
6. The Invention of the White Race
by Theodore W. Allen
7. Colored White: Transcending the Racial Past
by David R. Roediger
8.White by Law: The Legal Construction of Race
by Ian F. Haney Lopez
9. White On Arrival
by Thomas A. Guglielmo
10. Whiteness of a Different Color
by Matthew Frye Jacobson
11. The Saga of Coe Ridge
by William Montell
12. The Wages of Whiteness
by David R. Roediger
13. The Possessive Investment in Whiteness
by George Lipsitz
14. Making Whiteness
by Grace Elizabeth Hale
15. Black Lies, White Lies
by Tony Brown
16. Suburban Warriors
by Lisa McGirr
17. Aint' I A Woman
by bell hooks
18. Black Macho & The Myth of the Superwoman
by Michelle Wallace
19. Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Bucks
by Donald Bogle
20. Before the Mayflower
by L. Bennett Jr.
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