## Re: About Ken's MEG switching model

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• Camelazur, I m glad to see someone is analyzing my stuff pretty intensively. At first glance I noticed that your revised diagrams show a meg state at t 2
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Camelazur, I'm glad to see someone is analyzing my stuff pretty
intensively. At first glance I noticed that your revised diagrams
show a meg state at t'2 (bottom left hand side) with all the magnet's
flux (1.2T) switched to the right side. This is inconsistant with the
diagrams above at t'2 which show that both inputs are zero and both
outputs are at a static magnetic flux of 0.6T. And that would also go
for the meg state at t'3 (bottom right hand side).

Your right about how the L3 and L4 wave diagrams should show a static
0.6T dotted line in the middle, I did this in my Meg state diagrams
analysis:
http://www.geocities.com/carbonprobe/meg-state-diagrams.gif

I'll explain why I made this conclusion:

"When one input coil is turned on it forces all the flux to the
opposite side. For a small change in Flux applied to the input, A
larger change in Flux is available at the output."

If L1 (left input coil) changes from 0 to 0.6 T, then it will cancel
out the static B-field on the left hand side of the core (which is
0.6T) to zero. Well where does that 0.6T go, it can't just disappear.
The only place that it can go is to the right side of the core to
fill it up to 1.2T (but only a change of 0.6T on the right side). So
what just happened is the left side Changed from 0 to 0.6 T and the
right side changed from 0.6T to 1.2T. So for an input change of 0.6T
on the core, the left output coil sees a change of 0.6T and the right
out put coil sees a change of 0.6 T. Total input dB is 0.6 T, total
output dB is 1.2T.

It may seem that only half of the magnet's flux is being switched,
and that is true, only 0.6T of the magnet's flux is being switched.
But when you subtract 0.6T from highly permeable sheet steel the
magnetic atomic poles of the steel are being changed, picture them as
little magnets. And they generate their own B field as the B field is
being subtracted from it. So as the input is switched off and the
magnet returns to it's quiescent state and you attach a load to the
ouput coils the energy that is going into the load would really be
coming from the core itself and not the magnet. The magnet acts as a
catalyst to the magnetic poles in the core.

Ken

--- In MEG_builders@yahoogroups.com, blanc2002@f... wrote:
> Hi Ken and all !
>
> After the reading of your post 1140, I started to work on a new
version of my
> MEG control board, wich would perform the switch timing you
recommend.
>
> After several hours on this design, I though again about your GIF
named "MEG
> flux switching diagram"... there was something wrong, but I
couldn't find what
> it was...
>
> So, I turned on my computer, to look again, with attention. I must
> this diagram has been a revelation to me, because it was the first
time I found
> an explanation easy to understand and apparently valid.
>
> The main idea is that an input coil acts just like a magnet, when
energized,
> and that B field created cancel the magnet's B field , in the same
C core.
> I agree with this, but I don't with your L3 and L4 wave form, and
with your
> conclusions.
>
> First, when L1 is on and L2 off, the left C core will see the B
field going
> down to zero as the B field in the input coil goes to 0,6 T...
don't forget
> that the magnet gives a static B field, and that L1 oppose it (in
this case,
> substract it). So L3 is affected by the dynamic B field change.
>
> You can copy this statement for L1 off and L2 on, and L4 instead of
L3.
>
> Secondly, as L1 "push" the magnet's field on the opposite C core,
we should
> have the same B field ( and not more ) induced in L4.
>
> You can find my version of these timings in the attachment.
>
> The third thing is your conclusions. If you consider the B field
between the
> time laps t'1, t'2 and t'3 ( instead of t1, t2 and t3), you don't
find the same
> result :
>
> - for the lap t'1 / t'2, we have in L1, L3 and L4 a D B field of
0,6 T, and in
> L2 a D B field of zero.
>
> - for the lap t'2 / t'3, we have in L2, L3 and L4 a D B field of
0,6 T, and in
> L1 a D B field of zero.
>
> If we want to know the overall balance between inputs and outputs,
we must take
> in account the lap t'1 / t'3, and we find :
>
> input overall D B = 0,6 + 0,6 = 1,2 T
> output overall D B = 1,2 + 1,2 = 2,4 T
>
> So, the cop is 2. Is there any flaw in my analysis ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Camelazur.
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