6430Movie-verse versus Bookverse (Re: Question concerning Dwim's list)
- Dec 3, 2005--- In MEFAwards@yahoogroups.com, rabidsamfan <rabidsamfan@v...>
> See, I'd call that a blend right off the bat, as Bard is drawn
> the books and Gimli blowing the horn is definitely from the film,and the
> story is doing its best to bind those two things into a singlewhole.
> Part of the problem, I guess, is that I don't ask that question
> it is the first question on Dwim's form.Rings" or
> To quote:
> [My story is:
> 1. Bookverse: based on the writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and/or drafts
> made available by C. Tolkien
> 2. Filmverse: based on a film adaptation of "The Lord of the
> "The Hobbit"...]Tolkien's letters
> Now when I think "Bookverse" I don't include anything from
> or HoME, or even Unfinished Tales. If I were better acquaintedwith the
> Silmarillion, I'd definitely include that in my thinking, butmostly I think
> of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings (and in their "mostcorrected" form,
> at that) as being the basic canon of the Bookverse.Ok, let's start again.
The "Bookverse/Movieverse" option, the way I have it, is intended to
talk about which source material you're using for your story.
Now, given that absolutely uninflected, stripped down sentence, I am
not consistent in requiring an author to choose between them if said
author has used both books and movies.
However, the work that that filter *can* do is to show us which fics
should be moved into the movieverse category on the grounds that a
movieverse story has a different set of canonical events governing
A third layer of interpretation is taking each fic according to what
appears as the author's intention: is the author attempting to say
something about the movieverse events, even if by drawing
significantly on bookverse events/personalities (this is what I
would understand Marta's fic to be doing) or is it attempting to say
something about bookverse events/personalities, even if by
incorporating movieverse elements that seem to point in certain
directions? Here, I don't think it makes sense to have a "blend"
Given that, the problem point is going to be deciding what the
function of the filter is. Do we want to use it to mark out stories
that probably should go into a category on their own? Or do we want
it to function just to let readers know what source material they
may need in order to make sense of the story? If the latter, we have
to find another place to put movieverse as a category or decide if
we want that to be a category (I personally would go with a
movieverse category provided it meets the 2x5 viability criterion);
we have to make sure that those filling in the form understand it's
not redundant as a question.
If the former, then *if* we added "blend" we would have to define
what it is that "blend" is trying to do that clearly separates it
from "movieverse" and "bookverse", which I'm not convinced we've
done, at least not on any basis other than "I just happen to use two
different sources". If we fail to do that, then I think there's too
little to give readers a sense of why this is a category, and it may
end up being a sort of catch-all with no clear sense of cohesion.
Granted, with big categories like "Drama" there's also that danger,
but I think people have a better sense of what "dramatic" means and
can see more or less why it makes sense, *given the aim of the
story*, to put it in drama (or Elves, or post-Ring War, etc.).
> Hmm. I can see that what I really need to do isgo hunt
> explain how I would do it if I were in charge of the universe.
> Okay. Might take me a day or so, depending on the insomnia. I'll
> up Dwim's most current form of the form and see if I can make acoherent
> contribution.I'm at work, so I can't access the form at home on my computer,
which has changed slightly due to Kathy's pointing out some errors
and oversights. I think I'll post the form in the YahooGroup's site
Files when I get a chance, and then update it when needed. That
should make it easier to find for everyone than if they have to hunt
through pages of posts.
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