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  • Christopher Orr
    Actually, all Orders up to Deacon are officially laity. They are buried as laymen. Priests and bishops are buried with a separate service. I think it also
    Message 1 of 6 , Sep 15, 2009
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      Actually, all Orders up to Deacon are officially laity. They are buried as
      laymen. Priests and bishops are buried with a separate service. I think it
      also gets at the difference between the two words in Greek that are often
      translated similarly in English (chero... something).

      Christopher



      On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:23 AM, DonPedroGordo <donpedrogordo@...>wrote:

      >
      >
      >
      > Hei! Tschüß! ¡Hola! Oi! Ciao! Hi!
      > You are of course correct, Benjamin.
      > And in Orthodoxy, a reader is a minor clerix but not so minor a player in
      > the performance of the services.
      >
      >
      > --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Benjamin Harju <benjamin.harju@...<benjamin.harju%40gmail.com>>
      > wrote:
      >
      > From: Benjamin Harju <benjamin.harju@...<benjamin.harju%40gmail.com>
      > >
      > Subject: Re: [LutheransLookingEast] Where'd everybody go / I'm off again!
      > To: LutheransLookingEast@yahoogroups.com<LutheransLookingEast%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:33 PM
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Christopher,
      >
      > You said, "Just the two cents of this layman."
      >
      > I didn't think a Reader was technically a layman. I thought being
      > tonsured a reader was a minor clerical order.
      >
      > In Christ,
      > Benjamin Harju
      >
      > On 9/14/09, Christopher Orr <xcjorr@gmail. com> wrote:
      > > Dave,
      > >
      > > Congrats on your 'aspiration' . May it be blessed.
      > >
      > > Kim,
      > >
      > > Ask your priest about how and if you should proceed in joining the
      > Church.
      > > He is probably holding off to allow you the space to try Orthodoxy on,
      > see
      > > if you feel comfortable in the parish, just gather enough experience to
      > have
      > > questions formulated. There is no rush. Take your time. But, at the same
      > > time, strike while the iron is hot and don't cool the Spirit. My
      > spiritual
      > > father put it this way: Take your time, but remember it's later than you
      > > think. Both parts are important. I liken such things to marriage. Goo-goo
      > > eyes are important when you are dating, but you shouldn't just go off an
      > > elope in the first months of new love - it might just be infatuation or
      > > lust. The marriage is important, too, as is the honeymoon, but a real
      > > marriage built on solid love will move beyond these early (important)
      > stages
      > > to something deeper and more stable. You want to catch your breathe and
      > > your footing; there are things you will be offended by, confused by, hurt
      > by
      > > in the Orthodox Church - this is partially hidden by the newness of
      > > everything, but it also hits harder after being worked on by the services
      > > for awhile (months, years): the heart is softened and hurt more easily,
      > more
      > > deeply.
      > >
      > > Make sure you are praying - morning and evening, and the Jesus Prayer
      > when
      > > you can. Just a little something. Ask your priest for a 'rule'. Same with
      > > fasting. You want to ease into these things doing just a little more than
      > > you feel comfortable with, just a little, like training for a big race.
      > >
      > > Just the two cents of this layman. Ignore all of it if your priest
      > advises
      > > something else.
      > >
      > > Christopher
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Kimberly Sparling
      > > <belleartmom@ gmail.com>wrote:
      > >
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> I'm still here! Our family had a *long* day yesterday, most of it at
      > >> church. Divine Liturgy at 10am, followed by the first week of Sunday
      > >> school
      > >> for our kids, which lasted an hour. My 8yo twin girls learned how to
      > kiss
      > >> an icon (not on the face, apparently), and they colored a handout sheet
      > >> about St. Helena and how she found the cross in Jerusalem. My 9yo son's
      > >> class is using a big book called "Jesus, the Promise of God" and I am
      > very
      > >> happy with what I am seeing for the first week. It is published by the
      > >> Orthodox Christian Education Commission. In previous SS classes at other
      > >> churches my son didn't like doing busy work. They were even nice enough
      > to
      > >> invite my 21yo son with developmental disabilities to the high school
      > >> class. I am so happy, because he had been asking me if he could go to
      > SS,
      > >> too.
      > >> Anyway, we finally left church around 2pm, got home around 2:30, then
      > had
      > >> to
      > >> leave again around 4:30 for a 5pm Vespers service for Exaltation of the
      > >> Cross, followed by a BBQ and bonfire at church. The kids really enjoyed
      > it
      > >> and it was very well attended.
      > >> Question: do you wait for the priest to ask if you are interested in
      > >> becoming a catechumen, or do I ask him? I know he is the one who decides
      > >> if
      > >> you are ready to be chrismated and received into the Church. I have been
      > >> attending with dh and family since the end of July. I have also read the
      > >> books Father suggested, The Spiritual Father and Searching for God in a
      > >> Land
      > >> of Shallow Wells.
      > >> Thanks,
      > >> Kim
      > >>
      > >> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:47 PM, howdydave_2000
      > >> <dnaess@frontiernet. net<dnaess%40frontiern et.net>
      > >> >wrote:
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> > Helloooo...
      > >> >
      > >> > Anybody home??
      > >> >
      > >> > Well, come Wednesday and I'm off again for my second visit to New
      > Skete
      > >> > Monastery in Cambridge, NY. This time as an aspirant rather than as an
      > >> > inquirer.
      > >> >
      > >> > http://www.newskete .com
      > >> >
      > >> > Dave
      > >> >
      > >> >
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