512Re: Orthodoxy - the communal tool box
- May 15 4:56 AMIndeed He is risen, Constantine!
I just would like to add to this:
> If one believes that one doesn't need the intercession of the MostHoly
> Theotokos, that says more about the individual rather than anythingelse.
It's true, but it's not a mistake. Being/becoming a Christian is a
process of our whole life. It just takes time for everything - to
realize one's own weakness, to realize thus the need for the saints'
help, and then to start loving them. Takes different time for
everyone. If someone doesn't feel he needs Theotokos' help - it
simply means he's not reached that point yet. But there's nothing
dangerous or wrong with being at that point of the path, as long as
the person stays on the path and keeps moving to Christ at any speed,
at least the slightest one.
I guess, it's my opinion. :)
Asking for your prayers,
--- In LutheransLookingEast@yahoogroups.com, "Travis \(Constantine\)
Stolz" <travis.stolz@...> wrote:
>however. There are far too many "I"s in what you have written. The
> Christ is risen!
> The determination of what one truly "needs" is not self-chosen,
toughest lesson I have had to learn since becoming Orthodox--even
tougher than obedience, frankly--is that of humility. It's not up to me
to determine what I need or what I don't need. Christ nowhere says,
"Pick and choose from the toolbox. A hammer is a spade is a level is a
screwdriver--all is one and one is all."
>Holy Theotokos, that says more about the individual rather than anything
> If one believes that one doesn't need the intercession of the Most
else. If the only reason one is singing or praying to the Theotokos is
out of "duty" or because of the words on a page, then I think
(drat--there's that dreaded "I" again!) one has missed the point of the
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> Yours in Christ,
> Travis (Constantine)
> Travis (Constantine) Stolz
> --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Dave @¿@¬ dnaess@... wrote:
> From: Dave @¿@¬ dnaess@...
> Subject: [LutheransLookingEast] Orthodoxy - the communal tool box
> To: LutheransLookingEast@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
> I made a post to an Orthodox forum under this title and
> many people don't have a clue what I'm talking about.
> Maybe some of you folks do...
> Here is the post:
> We are all building "the house of God" and we draw our tools from
> one big common toolbox called "Orthodoxy."
> Each person uses every tool necessary in order to attain their own
> personal salvation.
> The person wiring the house (for electricity) will use a different
> set of tools than the person who is installing the plumbing. The
> plumber will use a different set of tools than the roofer.
> While we each may use a different set of tools, we are all doing the
> same work -- building a house.
> As a protestant convert, I may not need the "tool" of the
> intercession of the Theotokos as much as a cradle.
> As a choir member, I am duty-bound to sing her praises during the
> Divine Liturgy. If I don't I will be doing a great dis-servce to the
> person standing across the aisle for whom prayers to the Theotokos
> are an essential element of their personal faith. If I did
> otherwise, I would be denying a fellow worker access to a tool which
> is necessary for them to finish their work.
> Anybody here appreciate what I am trying to say?
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