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  • Stephen O. Frazier
    John - with all due respect - it s up to HLAA etc. only by default. It should be up to hearing care providers and that s the reason so many of us in the US
    Message 1 of 4 , May 5, 2017
       John - with all due respect - it's up to HLAA etc. only by default.  It should be up to hearing care providers and that's the reason so many of us in the US are pushing for state laws requiring that they do so.  Is there any similar effort in the UK for such a regulation?
       
       
      Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
      Chair - Loop New Mexico Committee - www.LoopNM.com
      hlaanm@... - (505) 401-4195

                    

       
                  
       
                    
       


      ---------- Original Message ----------
      From: "'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils]" <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com>
      To: <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing
      Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 16:03:04 +0100

       

      It's up to HLAA and the caring bodies in other countries to spread the message.

       

      With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

      www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

       

      Sylvae in aeternum manent.

       

      From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Friday, 05 May 2017 15:53
      To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

       

       

      Steve. I’m with you 100% on this.  Background noise at any level interferes with my ability to understand speech.  I’ve never found the M/T program helpful, but understand that many do like it. The ‘pure sound’ that comes through with the T switch only is like manna from Heaven!  I was astounded in 1984 the first time I experienced it, and am still astounded.  Why on earth has it taken so long to get this message out?

       

      You are right….the people who are buying hearing aids have to know enough to talk to their audiologist. Unfortunately, not many do.  Somehow, we must find a way to get this message out in a way that people pick it up.

       

      Julie Olson

       

      From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
      Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 12:56 AM
      To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

       

       

      That's fine if it works for you.    I prefer T-only.  Most hearing aids have several programs available, so you could choose both a T and MT program.  The T-only program is necessary really best for people whose hearing would prevent them from hearing their Wife anyway if they were on MT mode. There's no way I could understand anyone via mic while listening to a T audio stream.  For many people, like me, it's one or the other ... both isn't useful. 

       

      Hearing aids I've had fave always had 4 programs, and that's usually enough that people who want both T and MT can have both.  They just have to know enough to tell their audiologist what programs they want.  

       

      SteveB. 


      Sent from my iPhone


      On May 3, 2017, at 5:29 AM, David Abell daveasubscriptions@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

      Another argument to have our hearing aids programmed with two telecoil programs: T only, and T+M. Then we would be able to use the T only setting and reduce the level of ambient noise. 

       

      However, my experience is that only one telecoil setting is typically available (at least in the Phonak world), and the audiologists set that one at T+M (and even then, I’ve had mine adjusted to boost the M so that my wife can talk to me when I’m in telecoil mode - this helps our marriage).

       

      Dave Abell

       

      On 3 May 2017, at 04:09, 'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

       

       

      Such systems (we have some in London) work best for people with CIs or closed earmoulds. For others, the high-level acoustic noise is still a problem. This applies inside the cars as well.

       

      But every little helps.

       

      With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

      www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

       

      Sylvae in aeternum manent.

       

      From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com] 
      Sent: Wednesday, 03 May 2017 02:00
      To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

       

        

       

      BART is the Bay Area Rapid Transit—San Francisco Bay area. Here is  the press release for the Fremont station hearing loop pilot program. Please watch the video it is very interesting how they did it.

       

      http://www.bart.gov/news/articles/2017/news20170421-0

       

      Consumer testing of the new cars with hearing loops should start within the month. It is my understanding these will be the first trains with hearing loops in the US.

       

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      David Abell
      Wickford RI 02852

       

       


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    • Stephen O. Frazier
      Cheri - what s the difference between the T and the phone setting in your HAs? Was the volume upped in one or the other as you wouldn t need to change it via
      Message 2 of 4 , May 5, 2017
         Cheri - what's the difference between the T and the phone setting in your HAs?  Was the volume upped in one or the other as you wouldn't need to change it via for one or the other of the uses?  Why would you use MT instead of M?  Is the volume different for them?
         
         
        Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
        Chair - Loop New Mexico Committee - www.LoopNM.com
        hlaanm@... - (505) 401-4195

                      

         
                    
         
                      
         


        ---------- Original Message ----------
        From: "Cheri Perazzoli cheripz@... [Loops_and_Telecoils]" <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com>
        To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing
        Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 12:54:53 -0700

         

        I have phonak bolero aids with 3 telecoil settings. M/T, T for Phone, T for public access-room loops. 
        I use M/T the most. M/ T is Very useful for controlling background noise even when there is no loop present.  I yes the M/T all the time when I'm in a noisy environment ... in fact, I was in M/T when I discovered the loop at train station in Ireland. Sometimes, I don't even realize Um in M/ T until I enter a fiefs with EMi.  Today, I used M/ T in the WA state capitol where hundreds of Washingtonians were waiting for Bill signings with the Governor. The hallways are an acoustical nightmare for the hoh person. 
         
         Now how do we get to be a part of the consumer testing process for BART??
        Cheers!
        Cheri Perazzoli 
         
         

        Cheri Perazzoli
        Hearing Loss Association of America
        Washington State Association 
        Director of Advocacy 
        Let's Loop 
         

        On May 5, 2017, at 8:03 AM, 'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

         

        It's up to HLAA and the caring bodies in other countries to spread the message.

         

        With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

        www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

         

        Sylvae in aeternum manent.

         

        From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Friday, 05 May 2017 15:53
        To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

         

         

        Steve. I’m with you 100% on this.  Background noise at any level interferes with my ability to understand speech.  I’ve never found the M/T program helpful, but understand that many do like it. The ‘pure sound’ that comes through with the T switch only is like manna from Heaven!  I was astounded in 1984 the first time I experienced it, and am still astounded.  Why on earth has it taken so long to get this message out?

         

        You are right….the people who are buying hearing aids have to know enough to talk to their audiologist. Unfortunately, not many do.  Somehow, we must find a way to get this message out in a way that people pick it up.

         

        Julie Olson

         

        From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
        Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 12:56 AM
        To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

         

         

        That's fine if it works for you.    I prefer T-only.  Most hearing aids have several programs available, so you could choose both a T and MT program.  The T-only program is necessary really best for people whose hearing would prevent them from hearing their Wife anyway if they were on MT mode. There's no way I could understand anyone via mic while listening to a T audio stream.  For many people, like me, it's one or the other ... both isn't useful. 

         

        Hearing aids I've had fave always had 4 programs, and that's usually enough that people who want both T and MT can have both.  They just have to know enough to tell their audiologist what programs they want.  

         

        SteveB. 


        Sent from my iPhone


        On May 3, 2017, at 5:29 AM, David Abell daveasubscriptions@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

        Another argument to have our hearing aids programmed with two telecoil programs: T only, and T+M. Then we would be able to use the T only setting and reduce the level of ambient noise. 

         

        However, my experience is that only one telecoil setting is typically available (at least in the Phonak world), and the audiologists set that one at T+M (and even then, I’ve had mine adjusted to boost the M so that my wife can talk to me when I’m in telecoil mode - this helps our marriage).

         

        Dave Abell

         

        On 3 May 2017, at 04:09, 'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

         

         

        Such systems (we have some in London) work best for people with CIs or closed earmoulds. For others, the high-level acoustic noise is still a problem. This applies inside the cars as well.

         

        But every little helps.

         

        With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

        www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

         

        Sylvae in aeternum manent.

         

        From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com] 
        Sent: Wednesday, 03 May 2017 02:00
        To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

         

          

         

        BART is the Bay Area Rapid Transit—San Francisco Bay area. Here is  the press release for the Fremont station hearing loop pilot program. Please watch the video it is very interesting how they did it.

         

        http://www.bart.gov/news/articles/2017/news20170421-0

         

        Consumer testing of the new cars with hearing loops should start within the month. It is my understanding these will be the first trains with hearing loops in the US.

         

        <image003.jpg><image002.jpg><image001.jpg>

         

        David Abell
        Wickford RI 02852

         

         

         



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      • John Woodgate
        It s the eternal struggle between idealism and pragmatism. Yes, the professionals should be more enlightened, but, with a few glorious exceptions, they
        Message 3 of 4 , May 5, 2017

          It's the eternal struggle between idealism and pragmatism. Yes, the professionals should be  more enlightened, but, with a few glorious exceptions, they aren't. So, since we want it to happen, we have to do it ourselves, I mean the HoH community.

           

          In Britain, there is legislation that  a smart lawyer could say require professionals to tell about telecoils and hearing loops, but in fact the wording is so vague and general that it doesn't really amount to much. All National Health Services have telecoils and have done for many ears, but no-one explained to me about them (to be fair, I do tell them what I do) and the local clinics do not have loop systems.

           

          With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

          www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

           

          Sylvae in aeternum manent.

           

          From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, 05 May 2017 22:31
          To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Stat ion & train testing

           

           

           John - with all due respect - it's up to HLAA etc. only by default.  It should be up to hearing care providers and that's the reason so many of us in the US are pushing for state laws requiring that they do so.  Is there any similar effort in the UK for such a regulation?

           

           

          Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist

          Chair - Loop New Mexico Committee - www.LoopNM.com

          hlaanm@... - (505) 401-4195



                        

           

           

                      

           

                        

           



          ---------- Original Message ----------
          From: "'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils]" <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com>
          To: <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing
          Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 16:03:04 +0100

           

          It's up to HLAA and the caring bodies in other countries to spread the message.

           

          With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

          www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

           

          Sylvae in aeternum manent.

           

          From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, 05 May 2017 15:53
          To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

           

           

          Steve. I’m with you 100% on this.  Background noise at any level interferes with my ability to understand speech.  I’ve never found the M/T program helpful, but understand that many do like it. The ‘pure sound’ that comes through with the T switch only is like manna from Heaven!  I was astounded in 1984 the first time I experienced it, and am still astounded.  Why on earth has it taken so long to get this message out?

           

          You are right….the people who are buying hearing aids have to know enough to talk to their audiologist. Unfortunately, not many do.  Somehow, we must find a way to get this message out in a way that people pick it up.

           

          Julie Olson

           

          From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
          Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 12:56 AM
          To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

           

           

          That's fine if it works for you.    I prefer T-only.  Most hearing aids have several programs available, so you could choose both a T and MT program.  The T-only program is necessary really best for people whose hearing would prevent them from hearing their Wife anyway if they were on MT mode. There's no way I could understand anyone via mic while listening to a T audio stream.  For many people, like me, it's one or the other ... both isn't useful. 

           

          Hearing aids I've had fave always had 4 programs, and that's usually enough that people who want both T and MT can have both.  They just have to know enough to tell their audiologist what programs they want.  

           

          SteveB. 


          Sent from my iPhone


          On May 3, 2017, at 5:29 AM, David Abell daveasubscriptions@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          Another argument to have our hearing aids programmed with two telecoil programs: T only, and T+M. Then we would be able to use the T only setting and reduce the level of ambient noise. 

           

          However, my experience is that only one telecoil setting is typically available (at least in the Phonak world), and the audiologists set that one at T+M (and even then, I’ve had mine adjusted to boost the M so that my wife can talk to me when I’m in telecoil mode - this helps our marriage).

           

          Dave Abell

           

          On 3 May 2017, at 04:09, 'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

           

          Such systems (we have some in London) work best for people with CIs or closed earmoulds. For others, the high-level acoustic noise is still a problem. This applies inside the cars as well.

           

          But every little helps.

           

          With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

          www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

           

          Sylvae in aeternum manent.

           

          From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com] 
          Sent: Wednesday, 03 May 2017 02:00
          To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

           

            

           

          BART is the Bay Area Rapid Transit—San Francisco Bay area. Here is  the press release for the Fremont station hearing loop pilot program. Please watch the video it is very interesting how they did it.

           

          http://www.bart.gov/news/articles/2017/news20170421-0

           

          Consumer testing of the new cars with hearing loops should start within the month. It is my understanding these will be the first trains with hearing loops in the US.

           

          <image003.jpg><image002.jpg><image001.jpg>

           

          David Abell
          Wickford RI 02852

           

           



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        • Cheri Perazzoli
          Steve, I ll try to answer you question about my aids, but, first I want to ask this question. Why are manufacturers who distribute aids in the U.S. not
          Message 4 of 4 , May 6, 2017
            Steve, I'll try to answer you question about my aids, but, first I want to ask this question.  

            Why are manufacturers who distribute aids in the U.S. not required to include telecoils in their products? It seems to me the onus should be on manufacturers to install properly orientated telecoils and to train their sales reps / dealers how to market and  program so these manufacturer reps will educate the audiologist. 
            Audiologists get the bulk of their information from manufacturer's Reps. The Audie's simply buy their pitch from the dealer rep. And most of the manufacturers are using unbiased research to validate their claims.  I believe both manufacturers and dispensing professionals should be held accountable. 

            At the time that got these aids,  which was about 4 years ago..I thought we were actually making a difference. Both Oticon and Phonak had "marketing"  terms for the programs! Terms like "room loop" and "public access" were identified for, well room loops, but also for FM or IR neck loop use. I was given the option to choose so I chose ALL the Tcoil options. My Audie could not explain it when I asked about  programs and orientation, other than to say.. the program allows you to....
            And if I had made the decision based on the titles, I would not be as happy as I am. My Audie almost always calls Phonak for programming changes that may be out of the ordinary.  I'm glad I'm an educated consumer and know how to express how I'm hearing and request changes yet it's frustrating to have use my visits to educate the "professional". Even though I live in an area with many choices, I'm ready to consider tele-audiology. 

            M vs MT vs T

            To block competing noise-I've long used telecoil to block noise. Before dual programming, I would turn 1 aid to telecoil.  Now I use MT. 

            In an auditorium-sometimes the signal coming directly to telecoil sounds odd.. far away, or unnatural. A volume increase may help, but, often it doesn't. So instead of the assistive listening enhancing the sound, it detracts. Switching to M/ T which allows a partial acoustical signal can make the sound more natural and  easier to listen. I suspect this has something to do with sound mixing and audio issues beyond my understanding.  And of course, I use MT when I want to hear both the speaker and my companion. 
            I use the straight T program that's labeled phone in the auditorium when the signal isn't sufficient or there's competing noise. 

            What's interesting, is that the 3rd program that's labeled straight T public access isn't as clear as the T phone program!  The only benefit I've discovered is when watching TV football, the announcer is more clear and there's less ambient noise from the game. I think that's odd - more likely the improvement is related to the sound system of that studio/ network. But so far, that's the only time I use that telecoil program. 

            I always circle through all my programs to select the most comfortable for the occasion. 

            I have Bluetooth. Great as it is, I have not found it to eliminate competing sound though it does make the sound louder.

            Cheri Perazzoli
            Hearing Loss Association of America
            Washington State Association 
            Director of Advocacy 
            Let's Loop 


            On May 5, 2017, at 2:35 PM, 'Stephen O. Frazier' hlaanm@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

             Cheri - what's the difference between the T and the phone setting in your HAs?  Was the volume upped in one or the other as you wouldn't need to change it via for one or the other of the uses?  Why would you use MT instead of M?  Is the volume different for them?
             
             
            Stephen O. Frazier, Hearing Loss Support Specialist
            Chair - Loop New Mexico Committee - www.LoopNM.com
            hlaanm@... - (505) 401-4195

                          

             
                        
             
                          
             


            ---------- Original Message ----------
            From: "Cheri Perazzoli cheripz@... [Loops_and_Telecoils]" <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com>
            To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing
            Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 12:54:53 -0700

             

            I have phonak bolero aids with 3 telecoil settings. M/T, T for Phone, T for public access-room loops. 
            I use M/T the most. M/ T is Very useful for controlling background noise even when there is no loop present.  I yes the M/T all the time when I'm in a noisy environment ... in fact, I was in M/T when I discovered the loop at train station in Ireland. Sometimes, I don't even realize Um in M/ T until I enter a fiefs with EMi.  Today, I used M/ T in the WA state capitol where hundreds of Washingtonians were waiting for Bill signings with the Governor. The hallways are an acoustical nightmare for the hoh person. 
             
             Now how do we get to be a part of the consumer testing process for BART??
            Cheers!
            Cheri Perazzoli 
             
             

            Cheri Perazzoli
            Hearing Loss Association of America
            Washington State Association 
            Director of Advocacy 
            Let's Loop 
             

            On May 5, 2017, at 8:03 AM, 'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

             

            It's up to HLAA and the caring bodies in other countries to spread the message.

             

            With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

            www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

             

            Sylvae in aeternum manent.

             

            From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Friday, 05 May 2017 15:53
            To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

             

             

            Steve. I’m with you 100% on this.  Background noise at any level interferes with my ability to understand speech.  I’ve never found the M/T program helpful, but understand that many do like it. The ‘pure sound’ that comes through with the T switch only is like manna from Heaven!  I was astounded in 1984 the first time I experienced it, and am still astounded.  Why on earth has it taken so long to get this message out?

             

            You are right….the people who are buying hearing aids have to know enough to talk to their audiologist. Unfortunately, not many do.  Somehow, we must find a way to get this message out in a way that people pick it up.

             

            Julie Olson

             

            From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com]
            Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 12:56 AM
            To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

             

             

            That's fine if it works for you.    I prefer T-only.  Most hearing aids have several programs available, so you could choose both a T and MT program.  The T-only program is necessary really best for people whose hearing would prevent them from hearing their Wife anyway if they were on MT mode. There's no way I could understand anyone via mic while listening to a T audio stream.  For many people, like me, it's one or the other ... both isn't useful. 

             

            Hearing aids I've had fave always had 4 programs, and that's usually enough that people who want both T and MT can have both.  They just have to know enough to tell their audiologist what programs they want.  

             

            SteveB. 


            Sent from my iPhone


            On May 3, 2017, at 5:29 AM, David Abell daveasubscriptions@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

            Another argument to have our hearing aids programmed with two telecoil programs: T only, and T+M. Then we would be able to use the T only setting and reduce the level of ambient noise. 

             

            However, my experience is that only one telecoil setting is typically available (at least in the Phonak world), and the audiologists set that one at T+M (and even then, I’ve had mine adjusted to boost the M so that my wife can talk to me when I’m in telecoil mode - this helps our marriage).

             

            Dave Abell

             

            On 3 May 2017, at 04:09, 'John Woodgate' jmw1937@... [Loops_and_Telecoils] <Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

             

             

            Such systems (we have some in London) work best for people with CIs or closed earmoulds. For others, the high-level acoustic noise is still a problem. This applies inside the cars as well.

             

            But every little helps.

             

            With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

            www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

             

            Sylvae in aeternum manent.

             

            From: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com] 
            Sent: Wednesday, 03 May 2017 02:00
            To: Loops_and_Telecoils@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [Loops_and_Telecoils] BART Hearing Loop Pilot Project Fremont Station & train testing

             

              

             

            BART is the Bay Area Rapid Transit—San Francisco Bay area. Here is  the press release for the Fremont station hearing loop pilot program. Please watch the video it is very interesting how they did it.

             

            http://www.bart.gov/news/articles/2017/news20170421-0

             

            Consumer testing of the new cars with hearing loops should start within the month. It is my understanding these will be the first trains with hearing loops in the US.

             

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            David Abell
            Wickford RI 02852

             

             

             



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