Re: [LoganSquare] Re: bikes & motorists
- Wait a minute, that sounds so reasonable. Are you saying the cars park away from the curb and there's a bike lane between parked cars and curbs?That sounds way safer for everyone.Optimistically,DougDoug vanderHoofOn Aug 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Laurie wrote:
Did you read those articles Alice? The very first one is about a cyclist hurting himself while running a stop sign. He hurt himself -- not someone else. Your list of articles from all over the world even includes one that answers the question "Are cyclists a bigger threat to pedestrians than motor vehicles?" with a 'no'. (And FWIW, that old story of the cyclist killing a guy by knocking him down the stairs is true, but it was a personal vendetta involving a nut-job [who just happened to ride a bike]).
And did you happen to see that other thread on this list? The one about the four serious "accidents" in one day recently in just the Logan Square area?
Do cyclists hurt others? Sure, occasionally. But you really don't believe that the hordes of maundering cyclists and jay-walkers pose the same risk to you than normal, every-day traffic, do you? Let's keep the conversation grounded in reality.
I stand by statement -- everyone has a moral obligation to operate safely in proportion to the risk caused to others by not doing so. The way the vast, vast majority of cyclists ride, they're just not presenting a credible danger to the community around them. So, if we're going to get our collective undies in a bunch about people breaking the rules, let's focus on those that can (and do!) actually put the rest of us in harm's way.
All I'm saying is that the more dangerous the activity in which you're engaged is to others, the greater your responsibility to ensure that you don't hurt those around you. This is true in any context -- from vehicular traffic to handling firearms. Is this really so difficult to accept?