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  • Roderick Long
    Sorry, inhabitants of Epsilon Eridani IX, but I m not Jesus or Aslan for you; I m Cthulhu.  Yum, yum. R. ________________________________ From: Dan
    Message 1 of 31 , Apr 18, 2013
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      Sorry, inhabitants of Epsilon Eridani IX, but I'm not Jesus or Aslan for you; I'm Cthulhu.  Yum, yum.

      R.


      From: Dan <danust2012@...>
      To: "LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com" <LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:33 PM
      Subject: Re: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?



      C. S. Lewis seemed to believe that God will do his thing to each being as he sees fit, so he might have done the Christ thing for humans but something else for others.

      Regards,

      Dan
       See my SF short story "Residue":
      http://www.amazon.com/Residue-ebook/dp/B00BS3T0RM/

      On Apr 18, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Joshua Katz <jalankatz@...> wrote:

       
      Don't be silly.  Humans don't become any less special, specifically since he only died for humans.


      On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Roderick Long <berserkrl@...> wrote:
       
      Right.  But I suspect even most fundamentalists could manage to integrate extraterrestrial life into their worldviews.  It'd be just one more special creation.  If God created platypuses in Australia he could create oozoids on Rigel VII.

      Now *intelligent* life would be a bit trickier.  Nothing in the Bible rules it out (and John 10:16 and 14:2 might even be interpreted as supporting it), but it does downgrade the specialness of humans.  Did Christ die for the Rigellians too?  Was it his death in Palestine that offered the Rigellians salvation, or did he go and get crucified on Rigel VII as well?  

      R.


      From: Dan <danust2012@...>
      To: "LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com" <LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:41 PM
      Subject: Re: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?



      Not North though...

      Regards,

      Dan
       See my SF short story "Residue":

      On Apr 18, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Roderick Long <berserkrl@...> wrote:
       
      Well, any Christian who's read C. S. Lewis should be able to integrate the idea of God creating other inhabited worlds besides Earth.

      R.

      From: Dan <dan_ust@...>
      To: Me <dan_ust@...>
      Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:56 AM
      Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?

      http://news.yahoo.com/discovered-most-earth-alien-planet-2-other-possibly-185540040.html

      It looks like, within this decade, we might have enough data to figure out which Earth-like worlds are very likely to have life. It should be very interesting to see what happens. And I expect North to foam at the mouth over this because, after all, the Bible, taken literally, seems to be no guide at all here and those who do take it literally are going to look, to the rest of us (not just atheists, but even theists who are not literalists*), like awfully pigheaded.

      Regards,

      Dan
       See my SF short story "Residue":

      * I've seen survey data that seems to show most people who accept evolution are not atheists, but actually theists. It's actually a minority of theists who are anti-evolution -- at least in the US.









    • Roderick Long
      Or like that awful awful god Baal, who turns out to be the Caananite word for Yahveh.  Oh well.  Oops. R. ________________________________ From: Joshua Katz
      Message 31 of 31 , Apr 19, 2013
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        Or like that awful awful god Baal, who turns out to be the Caananite word for Yahveh.  Oh well.  Oops.

        R.


        From: Joshua Katz <jalankatz@...>
        To: leftlibertarian2 <LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 11:45 AM
        Subject: Re: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?



        That sounds like a lot of Biblical characters, whose actions seem just fine (and often better than those of the patriarchs) who nonetheless are called evil by commentators.


        On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Roderick Long <berserkrl@...> wrote:
         
        Actually they often seem evil because Lovecraft tells us so.  But what else he tells us about them doesn't necessarily support that.  The horrible evil of the shoggoths in "At the Mountains of Madness" is: they were slaves who rebelled against their more-similar-to-humans masters.  The horrible evil of Cthulhu is that he will "teach [humans] new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom"; in other words, Cthulhu is an anarchist as seen by a conservative.  Some of the other Lovecraft nasties seem to stand for such horrors as miscegenation.  

        R.


        Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:05 AM

        Subject: Re: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?



        Have you read Robert M. Price's "Acute Spiritual Fear"? It works in the opposite direction.

        From the Christian side, though, a Lewis-like attempt here would, at least today, to me, not look like a Lovecraft mythos thingy -- at least not one heavily altered. (Cthulhu and other Lovecraft "deities", after all, are depicted as not salvitic and evil or, at best, amoral*, no?) 

        Regards,

        Dan
         See my SF short story "Residue":
        http://www.amazon.com/Residue-ebook/dp/B00BS3T0RM/

        * Isn't the usual rub that they not deities at all, but merely beings that humans are either food for or temporarily pets and pests? That's the usual take I've seen -- and most following after Lovecraft take it though nothing prevents a writer in that vein from creating a mythos story that deviates from it.

        On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Roderick Long <berserkrl@...> wrote:
         
        Sorry, inhabitants of Epsilon Eridani IX, but I'm not Jesus or Aslan for you; I'm Cthulhu.  Yum, yum.

        R.

        From: Dan <danust2012@...>
        To: "LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com" <LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:33 PM
        Subject: Re: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?

        C. S. Lewis seemed to believe that God will do his thing to each being as he sees fit, so he might have done the Christ thing for humans but something else for others.

        Regards,

        Dan
         See my SF short story "Residue":

        On Apr 18, 2013, at 10:58 PM, Joshua Katz <jalankatz@...> wrote:

        Don't be silly.  Humans don't become any less special, specifically since he only died for humans.


        On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Roderick Long <berserkrl@...> wrote:
         
        Right.  But I suspect even most fundamentalists could manage to integrate extraterrestrial life into their worldviews.  It'd be just one more special creation.  If God created platypuses in Australia he could create oozoids on Rigel VII.

        Now *intelligent* life would be a bit trickier.  Nothing in the Bible rules it out (and John 10:16 and 14:2 might even be interpreted as supporting it), but it does downgrade the specialness of humans.  Did Christ die for the Rigellians too?  Was it his death in Palestine that offered the Rigellians salvation, or did he go and get crucified on Rigel VII as well?  

        R.

        From: Dan <danust2012@...>
        To: "LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com" <LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:41 PM
        Subject: Re: [LeftLibertarian2] When's Gary North going to throw a fit over this?

        Not North though...

        Regards,

        Dan









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