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Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!

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  • James
    No, it s not that Obama doesn t have any actual power . What a ridiculous statement. It doesn t even make sense logically, he has no power but he has
    Message 1 of 35 , Sep 1, 2011
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      No, it's not that Obama doesn't have "any actual power". What a ridiculous statement. It doesn't even make sense logically, he has no power but he has followed corporate "policy"? That doesn't follow.

      Yes, he has followed the corporate socialism path, also tried to placate his base with wasteful deficit spending, and has continued and expanded US milatarism and mass violations of human rights.

      He has chosen to do that for selfish political reasons. The way you write it is that he is a helpless puppet of his corporate masters.





      --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <beausabreur52@...> wrote:
      >
      > Scott,
      >
      > I don't think Obama has any actual power. Corporate America has pretty much dictated policy to him and he's obeyed.
      >
      > You're right about Ron Paul---he'll never be allowed to become president; even assuming the Ameroboobs had the brains to elect him.
      >
      > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
      > >
      > > If you think I've written that the president has "no" power, you missed the point.  As for it mattering who is president, sure it does.  Some presidents are very bad, and others are worse.
      > >  
      > > In any case, back to part of my original one:  Little green Communazis from space are more likely to land on the White House lawn tomorrow and take over the country than Paul is to win the presidency... 
      > >  
      > > -- Scott
      > >
      > >
      > > --- On Fri, 8/26/11, James <jeo1@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > From: James <jeo1@>
      > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
      > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
      > > Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 2:28 PM
      > >
      > >
      > >  
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Post corrected below, I meant to write "direct questions".
      > >
      > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jeo1@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > I guess he asked you one direct question, not "direct questions". Sigh.
      > > >
      > > > The point was he and I responded to your nonsense about it not mattering who is Prez, Pres. has no power, etc.
      > > >
      > > > Sam Konkin and the 70's notwithstanding.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > If Dan asked me "direct questions," I haven't seen the post; and it's not in my inbox...
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > --- On Thu, 8/25/11, James <jeo1@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > From: James <jeo1@>
      > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Re: Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
      > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 3:29 PM
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >  
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Nor do I have the time, so I am not going to repost my more detailed response, since it did not appear.
      > > > >
      > > > > But Dan asked you direct questions, in response to your posts, several days ago and you didn't respond.
      > > > >
      > > > > I don't know what point you are trying to make.
      > > > >
      > > > > That it doesn't matter who the President is, as they have no power anyway?
      > > > >
      > > > > That Obama has not followed (and in some cases expanded on) the civil liberty, war, and constitutional crimes of Bush Cheney?
      > > > >
      > > > > Either way, if those are your arguments, they are cleary wrong. I shouldn't have to explain this to you but I guess I do.
      > > > >
      > > > > In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > "(C)rickets chirping", eh?  Not all of us have the leisure time to sit online constantly and kibitz. 
      > > > > >  
      > > > > > As for Dan's post, I don't recall receiving it.  Suggesting--even in jest--that federal agents be subjected to forcible carving-up seems to me to be a very bad idea...
      > > > > >  
      > > > > > Paul could indeed pardon all "victimless criminals in the federal prison system."  Has he given any indication that he would?  Even if he felt that would deserve to be a priority of his administration, he wouldn't simply leap into it "immediately."  It would take a great deal of review to figure out which prisoners actually fell solely into that category; and that would, ironically, probably require a jump in DOJ funding to accomplish.  I can think of at least a couple of ways Congress, should it wish, could bugger up even that process.
      > > > > >  
      > > > > > -- Scott
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/24/11, James <jeo1@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > From: James <jeo1@>
      > > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Re: Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
      > > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 3:42 PM
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >  
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Where is Scott Royce's response to this? (crickets chirping)
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Dan Ust <dan_ust@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > And he they. So? He could do many things immediately, such as pardoning all victimless criminals in the federal prison system and mandating that federal agents report to me for medical experiments*, but he would also likely not do things we'd find repugnant, such as growing this or that program or starting this or that war.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Regards,
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Dan
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > * Yes, I'm an amateur, but imagine how I could hone my skills at amputation and vivisection during those four years!
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > On Aug 18, 2011, at 17:28, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Even if by some amazing accident Paul was elected president, the idiots in both parties in Congress would tie him up in knots for four years.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > -- Scott
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/18/11, geckoontheceiling <geckoontheceiling@> wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > From: geckoontheceiling <geckoontheceiling@>
      > > > > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
      > > > > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 5:20 PM
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Meet Ron Paul's "Blue Republicans" !!!
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Please share this story and the facebook group that grew from it with your Democrat/Progressive/Liberal/Constitution/Green/Libertarian and Independent friends!
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > http://www.facebook.com/bluerepublican?sk=info
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > To Victory! Ron Paul 2012!
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • Scott Royce
      Perpetual political bait and switch...   -- Scott ... From: James Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time! To:
      Message 35 of 35 , Sep 7, 2011
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        Perpetual political bait and switch...
         
        -- Scott


        --- On Fri, 9/2/11, James <jeo1@...> wrote:

        From: James <jeo1@...>
        Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
        To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 6:07 PM

         
        Yes, just like Obomba continued and expanded upon Bush Cheney policies (massive debt, multiple wars, indefinite detentions without due process, corporate bailouts\handouts etc)

        In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "jeff_riggenbach" <haljam@...> wrote:
        >
        > They can give the ignorant public the superficial impression that they are NOT just more of the same, but critics of "Obama's" policies, when in fact they will merely continue those very same policies.
        >
        > JR
        >
        > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Byrd" <nfactor13@> wrote:
        > >
        > > If Obama has done so much for them so far, why is he of no further use, and why would Perry or Romney be of better use? What could they do (or would be willing to do) that Obama cannot or will not do for them?
        > >
        > > thanks,
        > > Nathan
        > >
        > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <beausabreur52@> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > James:
        > > > Like he hasn't demonstrated that he is a helpless puppet of his corporate masters by:
        > > >
        > > > 1. Giving up socialist 'single-payer' healthcare in favor a plan written by insurance lobbyists or;
        > > >
        > > > 2. Giving out corporate bailouts to the auto companies when he knew that the cash was NOT going to help Chrysler but went into a trust fund headed by Jr's former treasury commisar? or;
        > > >
        > > > 3. Turning the US Coast Guard over to BP to deal with the Gulf Oil Spill; refusing to prosecute any of the guilty parties (some commitment to socialist 'green politics!) or;
        > > >
        > > > 4. Attacking Libya (after his Nobel Peace Prize) on behalf of US oil interests?
        > > >
        > > > I think there could be a few other suggestions but these are the obvious ones. And Obama won't be re-elected in 2012, because the corporatists have no further use for him.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jeo1@> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > No, it's not that Obama doesn't have "any actual power". What a ridiculous statement. It doesn't even make sense logically, he has no power but he has followed corporate "policy"? That doesn't follow.
        > > > >
        > > > > Yes, he has followed the corporate socialism path, also tried to placate his base with wasteful deficit spending, and has continued and expanded US milatarism and mass violations of human rights.
        > > > >
        > > > > He has chosen to do that for selfish political reasons. The way you write it is that he is a helpless puppet of his corporate masters.
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <beausabreur52@> wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Scott,
        > > > > >
        > > > > > I don't think Obama has any actual power. Corporate America has pretty much dictated policy to him and he's obeyed.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > You're right about Ron Paul---he'll never be allowed to become president; even assuming the Ameroboobs had the brains to elect him.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > If you think I've written that the president has "no" power, you missed the point.  As for it mattering who is president, sure it does.  Some presidents are very bad, and others are worse.
        > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > In any case, back to part of my original one:  Little green Communazis from space are more likely to land on the White House lawn tomorrow and take over the country than Paul is to win the presidency... 
        > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > -- Scott
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/26/11, James <jeo1@> wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > From: James <jeo1@>
        > > > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
        > > > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > Date: Friday, August 26, 2011, 2:28 PM
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >  
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Post corrected below, I meant to write "direct questions".
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jeo1@> wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I guess he asked you one direct question, not "direct questions". Sigh.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > The point was he and I responded to your nonsense about it not mattering who is Prez, Pres. has no power, etc.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > Sam Konkin and the 70's notwithstanding.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > If Dan asked me "direct questions," I haven't seen the post; and it's not in my inbox...
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/25/11, James <jeo1@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > From: James <jeo1@>
        > > > > > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Re: Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
        > > > > > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2011, 3:29 PM
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Nor do I have the time, so I am not going to repost my more detailed response, since it did not appear.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > But Dan asked you direct questions, in response to your posts, several days ago and you didn't respond.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > I don't know what point you are trying to make.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > That it doesn't matter who the President is, as they have no power anyway?
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > That Obama has not followed (and in some cases expanded on) the civil liberty, war, and constitutional crimes of Bush Cheney?
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > Either way, if those are your arguments, they are cleary wrong. I shouldn't have to explain this to you but I guess I do.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > "(C)rickets chirping", eh?  Not all of us have the leisure time to sit online constantly and kibitz. 
        > > > > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > > > > As for Dan's post, I don't recall receiving it.  Suggesting--even in jest--that federal agents be subjected to forcible carving-up seems to me to be a very bad idea...
        > > > > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > > > > Paul could indeed pardon all "victimless criminals in the federal prison system."  Has he given any indication that he would?  Even if he felt that would deserve to be a priority of his administration, he wouldn't simply leap into it "immediately."  It would take a great deal of review to figure out which prisoners actually fell solely into that category; and that would, ironically, probably require a jump in DOJ funding to accomplish.  I can think of at least a couple of ways Congress, should it wish, could bugger up even that process.
        > > > > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > > > > -- Scott
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/24/11, James <jeo1@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > From: James <jeo1@>
        > > > > > > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Re: Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
        > > > > > > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2011, 3:42 PM
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >  
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > Where is Scott Royce's response to this? (crickets chirping)
        > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > --- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Dan Ust <dan_ust@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > And he they. So? He could do many things immediately, such as pardoning all victimless criminals in the federal prison system and mandating that federal agents report to me for medical experiments*, but he would also likely not do things we'd find repugnant, such as growing this or that program or starting this or that war.
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > Dan
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > * Yes, I'm an amateur, but imagine how I could hone my skills at amputation and vivisection during those four years!
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 2011, at 17:28, Scott Royce <scottroyce2003@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > Even if by some amazing accident Paul was elected president, the idiots in both parties in Congress would tie him up in knots for four years.
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > -- Scott
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/18/11, geckoontheceiling <geckoontheceiling@> wrote:
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > From: geckoontheceiling <geckoontheceiling@>
        > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [LeftLibertarian2] Ron Paul Has Reinforcements This Time!
        > > > > > > > > > > > To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 5:20 PM
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > Meet Ron Paul's "Blue Republicans" !!!
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > Please share this story and the facebook group that grew from it with your Democrat/Progressive/Liberal/Constitution/Green/Libertarian and Independent friends!
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/blue-republican_b_886650.html
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.facebook.com/bluerepublican?sk=info
        > > > > > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > > > > To Victory! Ron Paul 2012!
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