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Labour Party Leadership contender proposes LVT

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  • David Reed
    I hope Dan Sullivan has clocked this latest manifestation of the depth of the UK Labour Party s land tax tradition. I seem to remember some futile efforts a
    Message 1 of 3 , Aug 31, 2010
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      I hope Dan Sullivan has clocked this latest manifestation of the depth of the UK Labour Party's land tax tradition. I seem to remember some futile efforts a while ago to persuade him on land cafe that Socialists could  be trusted to advocate LVT in a serious manner without ulterior motives.
      Personally, although I was on the end of a fair amount of rough treatment, I rather miss Sullivan's contributions to land cafe.Seems a bit tame without him .(I know I will regret this should he re-appear at his most ornery.)
      Vote Burnham your Land Tax candidate for Labour leader.As his headline appeared in the Guardian online version" Land Value Tax :not old,not New ,but true Labour."
    • John
      ... depth of the UK Labour Party s land tax tradition. I seem to remember ... Socialists could be trusted to advocate LVT in a serious manner without
      Message 2 of 3 , Aug 31, 2010
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        --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
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        > I hope Dan Sullivan has clocked this latest 
        > manifestation of the depth of the UK Labour 
        > Party's land tax tradition. I seem to remember 
        > some futile efforts a while ago to persuade him 
        > on land cafe that Socialists could be trusted to 
        > advocate LVT in a serious manner without ulterior 
        > motives.

        LVT was on the Labour party agenda from 1906 until the late 1930s. Also along with the Liberals.  How it wasn't implemented in the first half of the 20th century is semi-mystery. 
         
        In the UK it can only come from the top, as cities do not have the power to implement LVT as Liverpool so desperately wanted to. The success of Dan Sullivan's efforts in Pittsburg focused the minds of Liverpool, a city in a similar post industrial situation with inner-city decay and neglect.  Also Liverpool was run by the Lib Dems - who, to their credit do have a hard tradition of LVT supporters.

        Unfortunately Andy Burnham will not be voted in as Labour Party Leader - the leader is a cut & dried affair. Hopefully he has influence to pull people into his viewpoint.
      • John
        ... hope Dan Sullivan has clocked this latest manifestation of the depth of the UK Labour Party s land tax tradition. I seem to remember some futile
        Message 3 of 3 , Aug 31, 2010
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          --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
          > I hope Dan Sullivan has clocked this latest manifestation 
          > of the depth of the UK Labour Party's land tax tradition. 
          > I seem to remember some futile efforts a while ago to persuade 
          > him on land cafe that Socialists could be trusted to advocate 
          > LVT in a serious manner without ulterior motives.

          Socialism and the welfare state came about because the capitalist system failed. A layer of grinding poverty emerged in a high tech age with mass production making goods cheaper creating enormous wealth. No one ever figured out properly why this occurred, it was mystifying to them, when they all thought the opposite should have occurred. 

          The Welfare systems emerged, via the Liberals, treating the symptom not the cause, to plug this poverty gap. It works to a degree. It is treating the symptoms not the root cause.  That is not to say we should not have welfare systems. 

          A true free-market works wonderfully - it is self regulating. The problem is when it is rigged, manipulated and monopolized, which it is and has been. Vested interest plays a part in this rigging. 

          The 1929 and 2008 crashes were land fueled as debt after debt was poured into tax free land - speculators who overall do not create economic growth. The free-market is distorted by:
          1. Speculators 
          2. Monopolists
          Currently we socialize private wealth and privatize social wealth. 

          100 years ago economists rigged the economic system and merged LAND into CAPITAL, treating land as if it is washing machine. This has played havoc with the economic system ever since. It poured oil on the fire of an already rigged free-market. Failures were bound to occur.

          What you earn (private wealth) is taken and socialized by income tax. The values of land, created by community activity (socialized wealth), is privatized, as the value is creamed off tax free by the land owner. 

          It should be the reverse:
          1. Do not tax privatly earned wealth - no income tax (which was a temporary tax to fund the UK Napoleonic wars)
          2. Tax community created wealth - the values of land, by Land Valuation Tax.
          Geonomic purists want no speculation on the resources of land, such as copper derivatives etc, and anything which distorts the free-market or imposes a privilege.

          Dan should be back on here.


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