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RE: [LandCafe] Re: Geoist motto ? Why "Geoist"?

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  • Harry Pollard
    Looks good to me. Harry From: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LandCafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wyn Achenbaum Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:09 PM To:
    Message 1 of 45 , May 31 10:52 PM
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      Looks good to me.

       

      Harry

       

      From: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LandCafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wyn Achenbaum
      Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 12:09 PM
      To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [LandCafe] Re: Geoist motto ? Why "Geoist"?

       

       

      I like "Natural Public Revenue"   .... maybe we're NaPpeRs or NaPuRe lovers, or simply Revenuers.

      "Natural Public Revenue" might ring well with those in the US who are used to hearing "national public radio" and therefore rather poorly with those whose taste runs to Fox News.

      "NPR" would extend over land and natural resources and all the other sources of revenue.

      "Public" gets us away from "socialize."


      On 5/31/2010 2:45 PM, roy_langston1 wrote:

       

      --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...>
      wrote:

      > We seem to be sleepwalking into describing ourselves as
      > Geoists.Why?

      Some of us are sick of being dismissed as the Henry
      George Fan Club. Marxism did not exist before Marx, and
      would likely never have existed without him, so it is
      appropriate to call it "Marxism." By contrast, land rent
      recovery existed before Henry George, and would definitely
      exist even if he never had, so it is NOT appropriate to
      call it "Georgism."

      > It is an ugly neologism,that does n't explain itself at
      > first sight (which is pretty vital)

      If you (or anyone here) can think of a more attractive,
      accurate and self-explanatory term, please let us know
      what it is.

      > and on first hearing sounds "New Age",than which
      > nothing is more dated and soppy.

      I don't get that feeling, but what do others here think?

      > I cannot see why we can't just call ourselves land
      > taxers and then indicate shades of allegiance by
      > prefixed political inclinations as in GB: Socialist
      > land taxer (e.g. Labour Land Campaign/ not much doubt
      > what that's about) ;Liberal land taxers (in ALTER);
      > UKIP land taxers (about two though highly vocal) and
      > the very rare Conservative land taxer (not plural).

      Maybe that's the way to go. But IMO it preserves a
      destructive political fragmentation that we should be
      seeking any possible means to overcome.

      > If you want to be logical (always leads to arguments)
      > you would have to use the umbrella-term Socialism .

      Socialism already has a definition, and it's not what
      we (or at least I) propose.

      > We all mean to socialise the profits of the land
      > market, take them into public ownership and
      > redistribute them. Can't see the problem .

      Socialism proposes to socialize the privately created
      value of capital, too. I have seen LVT described as
      "land socialism," and I can't say it sounded very
      appealing, or even accurate, as it seems to imply
      socialization of land use, not just land rent.

      -- Roy Langston

    • Harry Pollard
      I have. Harry From: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LandCafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffery J. Smith Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:13 PM To:
      Message 45 of 45 , Jun 20, 2010
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        I have.

         

        Harry

         

        From: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LandCafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeffery J. Smith
        Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 6:13 PM
        To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [LandCafe] Pure Sicko

         

         

        On Jun 19, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Harry Pollard wrote: 

        I rather disagreed, but do agree it was propaganda wrapped in entertainment.

        Harry, we ought to try it!

         

        SMITH, Jeffery J.

        President, Forum on Geonomics

        Land Rights course: www.course.earthrights.net

        Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.

         

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