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Re: WSJ a useless copyright privilege

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  • walto
    ... I expect only that people might listen, consider and not be religiously wedded to every proposition they happen to assert. Also that they not be arrogant
    Message 1 of 233 , Apr 18, 2013
      --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "mattbieker" <agrarian.justice@...> wrote:
      > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "walto" <calhorn@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Amazing. I really can't believe it! Roy thinks he's right again!!!
      > >
      > > W
      > While it's true that some are more obstinate than others, it's also pretty much universally true that people don't spend time arguing that their beliefs are false. It's hard to imagine what you were expecting.

      I expect only that people might listen, consider and not be religiously wedded to every proposition they happen to assert. Also that they not be arrogant and obnoxious to everyone who happens to agree with them on every jot and tittle of their various "theories." That's about it.

      It is actually possible to have firm ideas and still be intellectually curious. But it is, I guess, psychologically extremely difficult for some types found on the internet. Interestingly, I've found (though it's only a general rule--there are exceptions) on various philosophy sites and blogs that those who have spent the least time studying philosophy in academic settings (i.e., the auto-didacts) are the most sure of every one of their positions. While those who were bombarded with the largest number of views in college and/or grad school being pushed by numerous profs who knew what they were talking about, have been more likely to get that there are only slivers of evidence (much of it highly questionable) between this position and that. Langstons (and there are tons of them holding every conceivable view) to the contrary, there aren't actually any deductive proofs around for anything terribly interesting--and this has been pretty widely understood since the 17th Century.

    • David Reed
      @TJAlthough my remarks about some opponents of copyright being, perhaps, happier with Communism were in the nature of a wind-up, there is a splendid
      Message 233 of 233 , Apr 28, 2013
        Although my remarks about some  opponents of copyright being, perhaps, happier with Communism were in the nature of a wind-up, there is a splendid dotCommunist Manifesto by Professor Eben Moglen 2003 first sentence "There is a Spectre haunting multinational capitalism -the Spectre of free information ."The whole thing is spun as a homage  to the Communist Manifesto, couched in class terms, with no little wit. As such, it is a good deal more appealing than some of the more right-wing arguments normally adduced in support of copyright abolition. However the affinity of anti-intellectual property arguments to Communism is stressed throughout.
        P.S I am having trouble with the sentence below "All other monopolies in it's are entirely law made." I would also be grateful for some more quotes from the classical economists you mention -or even their names .Have drawn a blank with Smith and Hume who see monopolies as things granted (Smith) or sold (Hume) by governments.

        To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
        From: kjetil.r.johansen@...
        Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:18:14 +0000
        Subject: [LandCafe] Re: WSJ a useless copyright privilege


        --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
        >If they think they should get computer whatevers on the cheap the same way large families are supposed to get accommodation on the cheap via super- lite LVT then I would imagine that their beef is really with laissez -faire capitalism and its Achilles heel of inevitable monopoly.<

        Exactly not. Classical economists have been concerned with monopolies since the beginning, and the Georgist section of classic economists ever much more so. That's why these things get discussed here. It's not uneasiness about markets at all. With regards to land, as long as we are to have private property in land, and we are, monopoly rents has to be adressed, including the natural monopolies that follow from conditions of location and scarcity. All other monopolies in it's are entirely law-made. Creating these monopolies may or may not be a positive, but the burden of proof lies on those who defend these rights, not vice versa.

        >So great is this sense of political distress, that you have to wonder if they would n't be happier with Communism, that recognises no inventor is bigger than the culture s/he was informed by ,so should not receive any financial gain from being born along by the development of the culture in general.Also when any monopoly develops it would be used in the public interest. Quite possibly this would involve operating at a "commercial loss". And what's the problem as Chamberlain said when taking the Birmingham Water Works into public control in 1876 (private sources of water were poisoning everybody) "Our profit will be the health of the people!" Or increased production by computer operatives!!<

        Where exactly are you going? Sure, public waterworks works, I'm very much in favour of public operation/regulation of most natural monopolies, some sort of regulation of some types of market failure, pro-redistribution, and generally in favour of liberalisation of everything else, why would I be more comfortable with communism? States who follow liberal market policies, uphold property rights, regulates and adresses natural monopolies and have some sort of redistribution mechanisms (as compensation for not adressing land enough), are generally richer and freer compared to anywhere anytime in history, why would I want communism instead?


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