Re: Software companies etc would pay little tax with lvt
- --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "mattbieker" <agrarian.justice@...> wrote:
>Thanks. Very good. Copy a whole book and its pasteurizing. Copy 12 parts from 12 books, rewrite in your style and that is research.
> At the risk of continuing off-topic,
> here's a link that I really found fascinating:
> Definitely worth the watch if you have an
> hour or so to spare some time.
The scenes taken verbatim from other films is StarWars was revealing. The Dambusters scenes were identical. George Lucas must have noted these scenes from many films over many years as they had impact impressed him, and made notes, and incorporated them into his film with a different treatment. A good ploy. Why reinvent the wheel comes to mind? But he had to select the scenes and roll them all into one, wrapped in his own. He had the talent to do that. It worked.
I knew about Apple ripping off Xerox being in the computer industry.
Music influences are odd. I can't hear the connection between George Harrison's My Sweet Lord and She's So Fine. Any connection is slight and must have been incidental. George Harrison was too talented and original to copy a whole song's tune. But people have subconscious sounds bouncing their heads, many connected to events. I heard one song a few months ago that had not heard for 20 years and flashed back to a person, time and place I had forgot. The Beatles were open in their influences. The very end guitar riff of the Ballard of John & Yoko was taken from an old County & Western type of song. John Lennon was wanting an end quickly and that was in his head and thought it applicable putting it in changing it slightly with a different treatment. He was in a rush to finish the recording. It worked.
OK, we are all influenced by others before, who are influenced by others before. Influences are one thing and copying is another. At the end he never really gave any conclusion of what to do about patent & copyright. Or did he? I'm tired.
The electric hybrid car is not new - Ferdinand Porche used a racing hybrid in the 1900s. The technology to make a Chevy Volt has been here for many decades - the car gets 60mpg when the batteries are flat - and that is poor mpg to what the new Lotus range extending engines can do.
One thing is clear industrial patents have held back the progress of the internal combustion engine, or ensured it stays over other superior propulsion systems, to the point the engine is killing millions. Patents and copyright act against society.
- --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "John" <burns-john@...> wrote:
> --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "roy_langston" <roy_langston@> wrote:So you are in fact being paid multiple times for the same work, just as Shaw said.
> > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "John" <burns-john@> wrote:
> > > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "roy_langston" <roy_langston@> wrote:
> > > > > If I write a book and it sells well for
> > > > > 5 years, where am I being paid many times?
> > > >
> > > > You are being paid each time someone buys one.
> > > > Surely this is obvious.
> > >
> > > I am not. Over 5 years if the book
> > > makes say £100,000 and then publication halts,
> > > then I have been paid once for that book run.
> > No. If you had been paid a flat fee,
> > that would be one payment.
> Roy, so what!
> If I get paid one fee at the end of a book run or drip fed each time a book is sold, it doesn't matter. One thing that is clear, it is MY book and MY work.No, it is being produced by a publisher and sold by booksellers. For whose work YOU are being paid multiple times.
> The most recorded song in history, by countless artists, is "Yesterday" written by Paul McCartney. He gets a royalty for each record sold, or played on air, by those who copy.Getting paid millions of times for the same work, just as Shaw said.
> Those who copy still make money as well.Some do, some don't. How would that be relevant?
> I see nothing wrong with that. Paul McCartney has never stopped any of them recording his song.Then why would they pay him for doing nothing?
> All the proceeds of his original go to him and rightly so..No, it is not just "his original," but all the other arrangements and versions as well.
> > > He took someone else's effort.He indisputably did.
> > What do you mean, "took"? He made his
> > OWN effort, creating a new product which
> > others did not create.
> He did not.
> He took the efforts of other authors R&D and rolled it into one book.No, he did his own R&D, making one better book using ideas from worse books.
> I have always thought of doing the same myself. Within a few weeks a "new" book can be knocked up by using other people's efforts. I am sure it happens all the time.And there is nothing wrong with it.
> > > > > What about the case of a large companyBecause they refuse to know the facts about how land titles and other privileges, which are no part of a free market, steal from the productive and give to the privileged.
> > > > > making millions using your work and you get nothing?
> > > >
> > > > Good for them: it means they are more productive
> > > > and efficient than their competitors, who have
> > > > access to the same knowledge and ideas. If you
> > > > want to get paid for your work, make an arrangement
> > > > to get paid before it enters the public domain.
> > >
> > > That is pure naivety.
> > It is fact.
> Many Socialists claim all the free market does is allow most money to gather with a few percent of the population.
> They claim a free for all does this so control, or state ownership is needed. We see it now with powerful corporations.I see powerful corporations enriching themselves through privilege, not the free market.
> The right never thought through their ideal - the repercussions of when the free-market is rigged or monopolized.The right thinks freedom consists in the privileged being free to remove others' freedom with government's help.
> Roy, you have this ideal of a free for all re: patents and copyright. I agree with it in principle. But when thought through it falls apart.No, it does not.
> The money will rise to the top.<sigh> How much money do Paul McCartney, DisneyCorp, etc. have under the CURRENT system, John?
> I know it is not right. I do not know the solution to the problem - because I have never thought it through.That's OK. I have.
-- Roy Langston