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Re: [LandCafe] Re: Land value UK

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  • Harry Pollard
    Dave, I fear we are unlikely to know how much Economic Rent there is until we collect it. The land-values we now measure are monopoly rack-rents with not a
    Message 1 of 46 , Nov 26, 2012
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      Dave,

      I fear we are unlikely to know how much Economic Rent there is until we collect it.

      The land-values we now measure are monopoly rack-rents with not a little "collectibility" values added in.

      These monopoly values would disappear with a full Rent collection, leaving us with ?.

      Harry

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      On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Dave Wetzel <davewetzel42@...> wrote:
       

      'twas said "Settled land - 1.8m hectares. 7.65% of the land mass.
      * Agricultural land - 10.8m hectares. 45.96% of the land mass.
      * Semi-natural land, with much uses as agricultural land - 7.0m
      hectares. 29.78% of the land mass.
      * Woodland - 2.8m hectares. 11.91% of the land mass
      * Water bodies - 0.3m hectares. 1.28% of the land mass.
      * Sundry, largely transport infrastructure - 0.8m hectares. 3.42% of
      the land mass."


      1. Can anybody suggest how much of the urban land is residential and how much is commercial/business?

      2. Can anybody suggest a total value for each of these uses including residential as a separate category from other urban land?
       



       Dave Wetzel


    • roy_langston
      ... It is held out of use in the hope of rezoning windfalls, which permitting development and use at the current permitted density would likely scotch for
      Message 46 of 46 , Dec 1, 2012
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        --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, Harry Pollard <harrypollard0@...> wrote:

        > There is an enormous amount of urban land of all values which is presently held out of use at rack-rent (or higher) prices.

        It is held out of use in the hope of rezoning windfalls, which permitting development and use at the current permitted density would likely scotch for decades. As long as the long-term economic growth rate exceeds the tax rate, owning land increases the owner's net worth, so there is no reason to take a chance by permitting productive use.

        > Such holdings would become
        > available to producers and other users with adoption of full land Rent
        > collection and Rents would topple to a point where they would accurately
        > reflect the advantage provided by the surrounding population.

        Rents already reflect that advantage, so they would not topple.

        > You agree with me that present land rent is a 'monopoly rent'. I happen to
        > call it rack-rent because that seems to me to be an appropriate term.

        It's not appropriate, because what you are talking about is in fact rent.

        > Your peculiar opposition to this seems to stem from your mistaken belief that
        > with full Rent collection, rack-rent would remain. In fact, as I have stated, it would disappear.

        No, YOUR peculiar theory stems from your mistaken belief that rent is rack-rent.

        > I don't know where you got your land-value taxation ideas from, but you treat it as simply a good way to tax.

        My UIE proposal proves that claim false. LVT is essential to equal human rights.

        > The real intention of collecting Rent
        > (popularly, land-value taxing) is to produce a genuine equality of
        > conditions for all, replacing the present rigged economy which condemns the
        > less able to poverty and the more able to a lifetime of paying rack-rent.

        No, the real intention is to restore the EQUAL RIGHTS of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor, relieving the poverty of the less able by ensuring they have free, secure access to economic opportunity, and enabling the more able to rise as high as their productive contributions will carry them by relieving them of the burden of supporting the greedy, privileged, parasitic landowning overclass in exorbitant luxury. I am much more aware of that intention than you, as your opposition to my UIE proposal shows.

        > The object of full Rent collection is to take the first step towards
        > 'Liberty and Justice for All'. Reducing this to a simple tax advocacy diminishes its importance as a genuine reform.
        >
        > But, you probably know that.

        I do indeed.

        -- Roy Langston
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