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  • David Reed
    Walto s Thanksgiving piece more or less coincided with the announcement of a land value tax (svt) in Ireland. Surprisingly little comment on here about this.In
    Message 1 of 11 , Dec 7, 2010
      Walto's Thanksgiving piece more or less coincided with the announcement of a land value tax (svt) in Ireland.
      Surprisingly little comment on here about this.In fact none .
      To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
      From: calhorn@...
      Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:09:30 +0000
      Subject: [LandCafe] For Thanksgiving

       
      Let us muse upon this excerpt from the Irish Poor Laws, enacted just in time for the potato famine, and likely creating as much starvation as it helped and thousands of law-breakers as well:

      ********************

      LXI. And be it enacted, That for the Purpose of defraying the Expences incurred in the Execution of this Act the Guardians of every Union, or, where a Board of Guardians shall not be acting, the Persons or Officers appointed by the Commissioners in their Behalf, shall from Time to Time make and levy such Rates as may be necessary on every Occupier of rateable Hereditaments in or arising within such Union.

      LXII. And be it enacted, That in making every such Rate due Regard shall be had to the Amount which shall in manner aforesaid have been ascertained to be chargeable upon any Electoral Division, in respect of its Proportion of the Expences incurred in the Relief of Persons within the Workhouse of the Union, during the Period to which the last Account of such Expences shall extend.

      LXIII. And be it enacted and declared, That the following Hereditaments shall be rateable Hereditaments under this Act; viz., all Lands, Buildings, and opened Mines; all Commons, and Rights of Common, and all other Profits to be had, received, or taken out of any Land; all Rights of Fishery; all Canals, Navigations, and Rights of Navigation; and Rights of Way and other Rights, or Easements over Land, and the Tolls levied in respect of such Rights, and Easements, and all other Tolls: Provided always, that no Turf Bog or Turf bank
      used for the exclusive Purpose of cutting or saving Turf, or for taking Turf Mould therefrom for Fuel or for Manure, shall be rateable under this Act, unless a Rent or other valuable Consideration shall be payable for the same; and provided also, that no Mines which have not been opened Seven Years before the passing of this Act shall be rateable until the Term of Seven Years from the Time of the opening thereof shall have expired; and no Mines hereafter to be opened shall be rateable until Seven Years after the same shall have been opened; and Mines bon fide re-opened after the same shall have been bon fide
      abandoned shall be deemed an opening of Mines within the Meaning of this Act: Provided also, that no Church, Chapel, or other Building exclusively dedicated to Religious Worship or exclusively used for the Education of the Poor, nor any Burial Ground or Cemetery, nor any Infirmary, Hospital, Charity School, or other Building used exclusively for charitable Purposes, nor any Building, Land, or
      Hereditament dedicated to or used for Public Purposes, shall be rateable, except where any private Profit or Use shall be directly derived therefrom, in which Case the Person deriving such Profit or Use shall be liable to be rated as an Occupier according to the annual Value of such Profit or Use.

      LXIV. And be it enacted, That every such Rate shall be a Poundage Rate made upon an Estimate of the net annual Value of the several Hereditaments rated thereunto; that is to say, of the Rent at which one Year with another the same might in their actual State be reasonably expected to be let from Year to Year, the probable annual Average Cost of the Repairs, Insurance, and other Expences, if any, necessary to maintain the Hereditaments in their actual State, and all
      Rates, Taxes, and public Charges, if any, except Tithes, being paid by the Tenant.

      LXV. And be it enacted, That the Particulars of every such Rate shall be entered in a Book, which (in addition to any other Particular which the Commissioners may require) shall contain an Account of every Paticular set forth at the Head of the respective Columns in the Form given in the Second Schedule to this Act annexed, and the Guardians and other Officers whose Duty it may be to make the
      said Rate, or such a Number of the said Guardians or other Officers as are competent to the making and levying of the same, shall, before the same is levied, sign the Declaration at the Foot of the said Form; and the said Book shall, after the Signature of the said Declaration, be Evidence of the Truth of every Particular so contained therein.

      LXVI. And be it enacted, That all existing Surveys and Valuations shall, so far as they may in the Opinion of the Commissioners be available and sufficient for the Purpose, be made use of in estimating the net annual Value of Hereditaments liable to be rated under this Act; and where no Surveys or Valuations exist, or where existing Surveys or Valuations may not in the Opinion of the commissioners be available or sufficient for the Purpose, the Guardians of any Union shall, when and in such Manner as the Commissioners shall from Time to Time direct, make or cause to be made a Survey and Valuation of all or any such Hereditaments in any Townland within the Union, with such separate Valuations of distinct
      Tenements, Parcels, or Subdivisions as the Commissioners shall think fit; and it shall be lawful for the Commissioners, where they shall see fit, either to appoint or to direct the Guardians to appoint a fit professional Person or Persons to make such Survey and Valuation, or to revise and correct any existing Survey or Valuation; and for the Purpose of making any such Survey, Valuation, or Revision the said Guardians, or the Valuators or Surveyor by them appointed, may at all reasonable Times enter every Field, Garden, or other enclosed Land, and all Buildings (not being inhabited Dwelling Houses) situate within such Union.

      ******************

      Happy Holiday!

      W


    • walto
      Can you tell us about it, David? W
      Message 2 of 11 , Dec 7, 2010
        Can you tell us about it, David?

        W

        --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
        >
        >
        > Walto's Thanksgiving piece more or less coincided with the announcement of a land value tax (svt) in Ireland.
        > Surprisingly little comment on here about this.In fact none .
        >
        >
        > To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
        > From: calhorn@...
        > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:09:30 +0000
        > Subject: [LandCafe] For Thanksgiving
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Let us muse upon this excerpt from the Irish Poor Laws, enacted just in time for the potato famine, and likely creating as much starvation as it helped and thousands of law-breakers as well:
        >
        > ********************
        >
        > LXI. And be it enacted, That for the Purpose of defraying the Expences incurred in the Execution of this Act the Guardians of every Union, or, where a Board of Guardians shall not be acting, the Persons or Officers appointed by the Commissioners in their Behalf, shall from Time to Time make and levy such Rates as may be necessary on every Occupier of rateable Hereditaments in or arising within such Union.
        >
        > LXII. And be it enacted, That in making every such Rate due Regard shall be had to the Amount which shall in manner aforesaid have been ascertained to be chargeable upon any Electoral Division, in respect of its Proportion of the Expences incurred in the Relief of Persons within the Workhouse of the Union, during the Period to which the last Account of such Expences shall extend.
        >
        > LXIII. And be it enacted and declared, That the following Hereditaments shall be rateable Hereditaments under this Act; viz., all Lands, Buildings, and opened Mines; all Commons, and Rights of Common, and all other Profits to be had, received, or taken out of any Land; all Rights of Fishery; all Canals, Navigations, and Rights of Navigation; and Rights of Way and other Rights, or Easements over Land, and the Tolls levied in respect of such Rights, and Easements, and all other Tolls: Provided always, that no Turf Bog or Turf bank
        > used for the exclusive Purpose of cutting or saving Turf, or for taking Turf Mould therefrom for Fuel or for Manure, shall be rateable under this Act, unless a Rent or other valuable Consideration shall be payable for the same; and provided also, that no Mines which have not been opened Seven Years before the passing of this Act shall be rateable until the Term of Seven Years from the Time of the opening thereof shall have expired; and no Mines hereafter to be opened shall be rateable until Seven Years after the same shall have been opened; and Mines bon fide re-opened after the same shall have been bon fide
        > abandoned shall be deemed an opening of Mines within the Meaning of this Act: Provided also, that no Church, Chapel, or other Building exclusively dedicated to Religious Worship or exclusively used for the Education of the Poor, nor any Burial Ground or Cemetery, nor any Infirmary, Hospital, Charity School, or other Building used exclusively for charitable Purposes, nor any Building, Land, or
        > Hereditament dedicated to or used for Public Purposes, shall be rateable, except where any private Profit or Use shall be directly derived therefrom, in which Case the Person deriving such Profit or Use shall be liable to be rated as an Occupier according to the annual Value of such Profit or Use.
        >
        > LXIV. And be it enacted, That every such Rate shall be a Poundage Rate made upon an Estimate of the net annual Value of the several Hereditaments rated thereunto; that is to say, of the Rent at which one Year with another the same might in their actual State be reasonably expected to be let from Year to Year, the probable annual Average Cost of the Repairs, Insurance, and other Expences, if any, necessary to maintain the Hereditaments in their actual State, and all
        > Rates, Taxes, and public Charges, if any, except Tithes, being paid by the Tenant.
        >
        > LXV. And be it enacted, That the Particulars of every such Rate shall be entered in a Book, which (in addition to any other Particular which the Commissioners may require) shall contain an Account of every Paticular set forth at the Head of the respective Columns in the Form given in the Second Schedule to this Act annexed, and the Guardians and other Officers whose Duty it may be to make the
        > said Rate, or such a Number of the said Guardians or other Officers as are competent to the making and levying of the same, shall, before the same is levied, sign the Declaration at the Foot of the said Form; and the said Book shall, after the Signature of the said Declaration, be Evidence of the Truth of every Particular so contained therein.
        >
        > LXVI. And be it enacted, That all existing Surveys and Valuations shall, so far as they may in the Opinion of the Commissioners be available and sufficient for the Purpose, be made use of in estimating the net annual Value of Hereditaments liable to be rated under this Act; and where no Surveys or Valuations exist, or where existing Surveys or Valuations may not in the Opinion of the commissioners be available or sufficient for the Purpose, the Guardians of any Union shall, when and in such Manner as the Commissioners shall from Time to Time direct, make or cause to be made a Survey and Valuation of all or any such Hereditaments in any Townland within the Union, with such separate Valuations of distinct
        > Tenements, Parcels, or Subdivisions as the Commissioners shall think fit; and it shall be lawful for the Commissioners, where they shall see fit, either to appoint or to direct the Guardians to appoint a fit professional Person or Persons to make such Survey and Valuation, or to revise and correct any existing Survey or Valuation; and for the Purpose of making any such Survey, Valuation, or Revision the said Guardians, or the Valuators or Surveyor by them appointed, may at all reasonable Times enter every Field, Garden, or other enclosed Land, and all Buildings (not being inhabited Dwelling Houses) situate within such Union.
        >
        > ******************
        >
        > Happy Holiday!
        >
        > W
        >
      • David Reed
        Its all on the Googleable website Smart Taxes Network Site Value Tax. Emer herself gave some foreshadowing of Irish moves to land tax some time ago on this
        Message 3 of 11 , Dec 8, 2010
          Its all on the Googleable website Smart Taxes Network > Site Value Tax.
          Emer herself gave some foreshadowing of Irish moves to land tax some time ago on this site.
          DR 
           

          To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
          From: calhorn@...
          Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:50:32 +0000
          Subject: Re: [LandCafe]( For Thanksgiving) Progress in Ireland

           
          Can you tell us about it, David?

          W

          --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > Walto's Thanksgiving piece more or less coincided with the announcement of a land value tax (svt) in Ireland.
          > Surprisingly little comment on here about this.In fact none .
          >
          >
          > To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
          > From: calhorn@...
          > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:09:30 +0000
          > Subject: [LandCafe] For Thanksgiving
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Let us muse upon this excerpt from the Irish Poor Laws, enacted just in time for the potato famine, and likely creating as much starvation as it helped and thousands of law-breakers as well:
          >
          > ********************
          >
          > LXI. And be it enacted, That for the Purpose of defraying the Expences incurred in the Execution of this Act the Guardians of every Union, or, where a Board of Guardians shall not be acting, the Persons or Officers appointed by the Commissioners in their Behalf, shall from Time to Time make and levy such Rates as may be necessary on every Occupier of rateable Hereditaments in or arising within such Union.
          >
          > LXII. And be it enacted, That in making every such Rate due Regard shall be had to the Amount which shall in manner aforesaid have been ascertained to be chargeable upon any Electoral Division, in respect of its Proportion of the Expences incurred in the Relief of Persons within the Workhouse of the Union, during the Period to which the last Account of such Expences shall extend.
          >
          > LXIII. And be it enacted and declared, That the following Hereditaments shall be rateable Hereditaments under this Act; viz., all Lands, Buildings, and opened Mines; all Commons, and Rights of Common, and all other Profits to be had, received, or taken out of any Land; all Rights of Fishery; all Canals, Navigations, and Rights of Navigation; and Rights of Way and other Rights, or Easements over Land, and the Tolls levied in respect of such Rights, and Easements, and all other Tolls: Provided always, that no Turf Bog or Turf bank
          > used for the exclusive Purpose of cutting or saving Turf, or for taking Turf Mould therefrom for Fuel or for Manure, shall be rateable under this Act, unless a Rent or other valuable Consideration shall be payable for the same; and provided also, that no Mines which have not been opened Seven Years before the passing of this Act shall be rateable until the Term of Seven Years from the Time of the opening thereof shall have expired; and no Mines hereafter to be opened shall be rateable until Seven Years after the same shall have been opened; and Mines bon fide re-opened after the same shall have been bon fide
          > abandoned shall be deemed an opening of Mines within the Meaning of this Act: Provided also, that no Church, Chapel, or other Building exclusively dedicated to Religious Worship or exclusively used for the Education of the Poor, nor any Burial Ground or Cemetery, nor any Infirmary, Hospital, Charity School, or other Building used exclusively for charitable Purposes, nor any Building, Land, or
          > Hereditament dedicated to or used for Public Purposes, shall be rateable, except where any private Profit or Use shall be directly derived therefrom, in which Case the Person deriving such Profit or Use shall be liable to be rated as an Occupier according to the annual Value of such Profit or Use.
          >
          > LXIV. And be it enacted, That every such Rate shall be a Poundage Rate made upon an Estimate of the net annual Value of the several Hereditaments rated thereunto; that is to say, of the Rent at which one Year with another the same might in their actual State be reasonably expected to be let from Year to Year, the probable annual Average Cost of the Repairs, Insurance, and other Expences, if any, necessary to maintain the Hereditaments in their actual State, and all
          > Rates, Taxes, and public Charges, if any, except Tithes, being paid by the Tenant.
          >
          > LXV. And be it enacted, That the Particulars of every such Rate shall be entered in a Book, which (in addition to any other Particular which the Commissioners may require) shall contain an Account of every Paticular set forth at the Head of the respective Columns in the Form given in the Second Schedule to this Act annexed, and the Guardians and other Officers whose Duty it may be to make the
          > said Rate, or such a Number of the said Guardians or other Officers as are competent to the making and levying of the same, shall, before the same is levied, sign the Declaration at the Foot of the said Form; and the said Book shall, after the Signature of the said Declaration, be Evidence of the Truth of every Particular so contained therein.
          >
          > LXVI. And be it enacted, That all existing Surveys and Valuations shall, so far as they may in the Opinion of the Commissioners be available and sufficient for the Purpose, be made use of in estimating the net annual Value of Hereditaments liable to be rated under this Act; and where no Surveys or Valuations exist, or where existing Surveys or Valuations may not in the Opinion of the commissioners be available or sufficient for the Purpose, the Guardians of any Union shall, when and in such Manner as the Commissioners shall from Time to Time direct, make or cause to be made a Survey and Valuation of all or any such Hereditaments in any Townland within the Union, with such separate Valuations of distinct
          > Tenements, Parcels, or Subdivisions as the Commissioners shall think fit; and it shall be lawful for the Commissioners, where they shall see fit, either to appoint or to direct the Guardians to appoint a fit professional Person or Persons to make such Survey and Valuation, or to revise and correct any existing Survey or Valuation; and for the Purpose of making any such Survey, Valuation, or Revision the said Guardians, or the Valuators or Surveyor by them appointed, may at all reasonable Times enter every Field, Garden, or other enclosed Land, and all Buildings (not being inhabited Dwelling Houses) situate within such Union.
          >
          > ******************
          >
          > Happy Holiday!
          >
          > W
          >


        • walto
          Thanks. W
          Message 4 of 11 , Dec 8, 2010
            Thanks.

            W

            --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > Its all on the Googleable website Smart Taxes Network > Site Value Tax.
            > Emer herself gave some foreshadowing of Irish moves to land tax some time ago on this site.
            > DR
            >
            >
            >
            > To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
            > From: calhorn@...
            > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:50:32 +0000
            > Subject: Re: [LandCafe]( For Thanksgiving) Progress in Ireland
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Can you tell us about it, David?
            >
            > W
            >
            > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@> wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > Walto's Thanksgiving piece more or less coincided with the announcement of a land value tax (svt) in Ireland.
            > > Surprisingly little comment on here about this.In fact none .
            > >
            > >
            > > To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
            > > From: calhorn@
            > > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:09:30 +0000
            > > Subject: [LandCafe] For Thanksgiving
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Let us muse upon this excerpt from the Irish Poor Laws, enacted just in time for the potato famine, and likely creating as much starvation as it helped and thousands of law-breakers as well:
            > >
            > > ********************
            > >
            > > LXI. And be it enacted, That for the Purpose of defraying the Expences incurred in the Execution of this Act the Guardians of every Union, or, where a Board of Guardians shall not be acting, the Persons or Officers appointed by the Commissioners in their Behalf, shall from Time to Time make and levy such Rates as may be necessary on every Occupier of rateable Hereditaments in or arising within such Union.
            > >
            > > LXII. And be it enacted, That in making every such Rate due Regard shall be had to the Amount which shall in manner aforesaid have been ascertained to be chargeable upon any Electoral Division, in respect of its Proportion of the Expences incurred in the Relief of Persons within the Workhouse of the Union, during the Period to which the last Account of such Expences shall extend.
            > >
            > > LXIII. And be it enacted and declared, That the following Hereditaments shall be rateable Hereditaments under this Act; viz., all Lands, Buildings, and opened Mines; all Commons, and Rights of Common, and all other Profits to be had, received, or taken out of any Land; all Rights of Fishery; all Canals, Navigations, and Rights of Navigation; and Rights of Way and other Rights, or Easements over Land, and the Tolls levied in respect of such Rights, and Easements, and all other Tolls: Provided always, that no Turf Bog or Turf bank
            > > used for the exclusive Purpose of cutting or saving Turf, or for taking Turf Mould therefrom for Fuel or for Manure, shall be rateable under this Act, unless a Rent or other valuable Consideration shall be payable for the same; and provided also, that no Mines which have not been opened Seven Years before the passing of this Act shall be rateable until the Term of Seven Years from the Time of the opening thereof shall have expired; and no Mines hereafter to be opened shall be rateable until Seven Years after the same shall have been opened; and Mines bon fide re-opened after the same shall have been bon fide
            > > abandoned shall be deemed an opening of Mines within the Meaning of this Act: Provided also, that no Church, Chapel, or other Building exclusively dedicated to Religious Worship or exclusively used for the Education of the Poor, nor any Burial Ground or Cemetery, nor any Infirmary, Hospital, Charity School, or other Building used exclusively for charitable Purposes, nor any Building, Land, or
            > > Hereditament dedicated to or used for Public Purposes, shall be rateable, except where any private Profit or Use shall be directly derived therefrom, in which Case the Person deriving such Profit or Use shall be liable to be rated as an Occupier according to the annual Value of such Profit or Use.
            > >
            > > LXIV. And be it enacted, That every such Rate shall be a Poundage Rate made upon an Estimate of the net annual Value of the several Hereditaments rated thereunto; that is to say, of the Rent at which one Year with another the same might in their actual State be reasonably expected to be let from Year to Year, the probable annual Average Cost of the Repairs, Insurance, and other Expences, if any, necessary to maintain the Hereditaments in their actual State, and all
            > > Rates, Taxes, and public Charges, if any, except Tithes, being paid by the Tenant.
            > >
            > > LXV. And be it enacted, That the Particulars of every such Rate shall be entered in a Book, which (in addition to any other Particular which the Commissioners may require) shall contain an Account of every Paticular set forth at the Head of the respective Columns in the Form given in the Second Schedule to this Act annexed, and the Guardians and other Officers whose Duty it may be to make the
            > > said Rate, or such a Number of the said Guardians or other Officers as are competent to the making and levying of the same, shall, before the same is levied, sign the Declaration at the Foot of the said Form; and the said Book shall, after the Signature of the said Declaration, be Evidence of the Truth of every Particular so contained therein.
            > >
            > > LXVI. And be it enacted, That all existing Surveys and Valuations shall, so far as they may in the Opinion of the Commissioners be available and sufficient for the Purpose, be made use of in estimating the net annual Value of Hereditaments liable to be rated under this Act; and where no Surveys or Valuations exist, or where existing Surveys or Valuations may not in the Opinion of the commissioners be available or sufficient for the Purpose, the Guardians of any Union shall, when and in such Manner as the Commissioners shall from Time to Time direct, make or cause to be made a Survey and Valuation of all or any such Hereditaments in any Townland within the Union, with such separate Valuations of distinct
            > > Tenements, Parcels, or Subdivisions as the Commissioners shall think fit; and it shall be lawful for the Commissioners, where they shall see fit, either to appoint or to direct the Guardians to appoint a fit professional Person or Persons to make such Survey and Valuation, or to revise and correct any existing Survey or Valuation; and for the Purpose of making any such Survey, Valuation, or Revision the said Guardians, or the Valuators or Surveyor by them appointed, may at all reasonable Times enter every Field, Garden, or other enclosed Land, and all Buildings (not being inhabited Dwelling Houses) situate within such Union.
            > >
            > > ******************
            > >
            > > Happy Holiday!
            > >
            > > W
            > >
            >
          • Joshua Vincent
            Just a few links to the story from outside the LVT perspective: http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/
            Message 5 of 11 , Dec 8, 2010
              Just a few links to the story from outside the LVT perspective:

              http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/


              http://www.irish-surveyors.ie/index.php/component/content/article/52-news/161-implementation-of-property-tax
              Joshua Vincent, Executive Director
              Center for the Study of Economics
              413 South 10th Street
              Philadelphia, PA 19147
              215.923.7800 Extension 1
              www.urbantools.org
              www.ourcommonwealth.org

              The Center for the Study of Economics is a 501 (c) 3 non-profit educational foundation.
              Our mission is to research land value taxation, to assist governments in implementation and to study the effect of land based property taxation where used. We suggest implementation where appropriate but do not support political candidates or become involved in the electoral process.



              On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 6:45 AM, walto <calhorn@...> wrote:
               

              Thanks.



              W

              --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@...> wrote:
              >
              >
              > Its all on the Googleable website Smart Taxes Network > Site Value Tax.
              > Emer herself gave some foreshadowing of Irish moves to land tax some time ago on this site.
              > DR
              >
              >
              >
              > To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
              > From: calhorn@...

              > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:50:32 +0000
              > Subject: Re: [LandCafe]( For Thanksgiving) Progress in Ireland
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Can you tell us about it, David?
              >
              > W
              >
              > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed <dbcreed@> wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > > Walto's Thanksgiving piece more or less coincided with the announcement of a land value tax (svt) in Ireland.
              > > Surprisingly little comment on here about this.In fact none .
              > >
              > >
              > > To: LandCafe@yahoogroups.com
              > > From: calhorn@
              > > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:09:30 +0000
              > > Subject: [LandCafe] For Thanksgiving
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Let us muse upon this excerpt from the Irish Poor Laws, enacted just in time for the potato famine, and likely creating as much starvation as it helped and thousands of law-breakers as well:
              > >
              > > ********************
              > >
              > > LXI. And be it enacted, That for the Purpose of defraying the Expences incurred in the Execution of this Act the Guardians of every Union, or, where a Board of Guardians shall not be acting, the Persons or Officers appointed by the Commissioners in their Behalf, shall from Time to Time make and levy such Rates as may be necessary on every Occupier of rateable Hereditaments in or arising within such Union.
              > >
              > > LXII. And be it enacted, That in making every such Rate due Regard shall be had to the Amount which shall in manner aforesaid have been ascertained to be chargeable upon any Electoral Division, in respect of its Proportion of the Expences incurred in the Relief of Persons within the Workhouse of the Union, during the Period to which the last Account of such Expences shall extend.
              > >
              > > LXIII. And be it enacted and declared, That the following Hereditaments shall be rateable Hereditaments under this Act; viz., all Lands, Buildings, and opened Mines; all Commons, and Rights of Common, and all other Profits to be had, received, or taken out of any Land; all Rights of Fishery; all Canals, Navigations, and Rights of Navigation; and Rights of Way and other Rights, or Easements over Land, and the Tolls levied in respect of such Rights, and Easements, and all other Tolls: Provided always, that no Turf Bog or Turf bank
              > > used for the exclusive Purpose of cutting or saving Turf, or for taking Turf Mould therefrom for Fuel or for Manure, shall be rateable under this Act, unless a Rent or other valuable Consideration shall be payable for the same; and provided also, that no Mines which have not been opened Seven Years before the passing of this Act shall be rateable until the Term of Seven Years from the Time of the opening thereof shall have expired; and no Mines hereafter to be opened shall be rateable until Seven Years after the same shall have been opened; and Mines bon fide re-opened after the same shall have been bon fide
              > > abandoned shall be deemed an opening of Mines within the Meaning of this Act: Provided also, that no Church, Chapel, or other Building exclusively dedicated to Religious Worship or exclusively used for the Education of the Poor, nor any Burial Ground or Cemetery, nor any Infirmary, Hospital, Charity School, or other Building used exclusively for charitable Purposes, nor any Building, Land, or
              > > Hereditament dedicated to or used for Public Purposes, shall be rateable, except where any private Profit or Use shall be directly derived therefrom, in which Case the Person deriving such Profit or Use shall be liable to be rated as an Occupier according to the annual Value of such Profit or Use.
              > >
              > > LXIV. And be it enacted, That every such Rate shall be a Poundage Rate made upon an Estimate of the net annual Value of the several Hereditaments rated thereunto; that is to say, of the Rent at which one Year with another the same might in their actual State be reasonably expected to be let from Year to Year, the probable annual Average Cost of the Repairs, Insurance, and other Expences, if any, necessary to maintain the Hereditaments in their actual State, and all
              > > Rates, Taxes, and public Charges, if any, except Tithes, being paid by the Tenant.
              > >
              > > LXV. And be it enacted, That the Particulars of every such Rate shall be entered in a Book, which (in addition to any other Particular which the Commissioners may require) shall contain an Account of every Paticular set forth at the Head of the respective Columns in the Form given in the Second Schedule to this Act annexed, and the Guardians and other Officers whose Duty it may be to make the
              > > said Rate, or such a Number of the said Guardians or other Officers as are competent to the making and levying of the same, shall, before the same is levied, sign the Declaration at the Foot of the said Form; and the said Book shall, after the Signature of the said Declaration, be Evidence of the Truth of every Particular so contained therein.
              > >
              > > LXVI. And be it enacted, That all existing Surveys and Valuations shall, so far as they may in the Opinion of the Commissioners be available and sufficient for the Purpose, be made use of in estimating the net annual Value of Hereditaments liable to be rated under this Act; and where no Surveys or Valuations exist, or where existing Surveys or Valuations may not in the Opinion of the commissioners be available or sufficient for the Purpose, the Guardians of any Union shall, when and in such Manner as the Commissioners shall from Time to Time direct, make or cause to be made a Survey and Valuation of all or any such Hereditaments in any Townland within the Union, with such separate Valuations of distinct
              > > Tenements, Parcels, or Subdivisions as the Commissioners shall think fit; and it shall be lawful for the Commissioners, where they shall see fit, either to appoint or to direct the Guardians to appoint a fit professional Person or Persons to make such Survey and Valuation, or to revise and correct any existing Survey or Valuation; and for the Purpose of making any such Survey, Valuation, or Revision the said Guardians, or the Valuators or Surveyor by them appointed, may at all reasonable Times enter every Field, Garden, or other enclosed Land, and all Buildings (not being inhabited Dwelling Houses) situate within such Union.
              > >
              > > ******************
              > >
              > > Happy Holiday!
              > >
              > > W
              > >
              >


            • roy_langston1
              ... Thanks, David. Maybe Emer herself will be kind enough to favor us with some of her impressions of what this tax means in the larger scheme of things. --
              Message 6 of 11 , Dec 8, 2010
                --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, David Reed
                <dbcreed@...> wrote:

                > Its all on the Googleable website Smart Taxes
                > Network > Site Value Tax. Emer herself gave some
                > foreshadowing of Irish moves to land tax some
                > time ago on this site.

                Thanks, David. Maybe Emer herself will be kind
                enough to favor us with some of her impressions
                of what this tax means in the larger scheme of
                things.

                -- Roy Langston
              • roy_langston1
                ... Thanks, Joshua. While the amount of land value repayment is going to be very modest -- equivalent to the low range of US property taxes -- at least it is
                Message 7 of 11 , Dec 8, 2010
                  --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Vincent
                  <joshua@...> wrote:

                  > Just a few links to the story from outside the
                  > LVT perspective:
                  >
                  > http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/
                  >
                  > <http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/>
                  > http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-2012-2010-11/
                  >
                  > <http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-2012-2010-11/>
                  > http://www.irish-surveyors.ie/index.php/component/content/article/52-news/161-implementation-of-property-tax

                  Thanks, Joshua. While the amount of land value
                  repayment is going to be very modest -- equivalent
                  to the low range of US property taxes -- at least
                  it is a step in the right direction. At least one
                  country has responded to the GFC in a way that is at
                  least relevant to one of its root causes...

                  -- Roy Langston

                  -- Roy Langston
                • John
                  ... http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/ ...
                  Message 8 of 11 , Dec 27, 2010

                    --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Vincent <joshua@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Just a few links to the story from outside the LVT perspective:
                    >
                    > http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/
                    >
                    > <http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/>
                    > http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-2012-2010-11/
                    >
                    > <http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-2012-2010-11/>
                    > http://www.irish-surveyors.ie/index.php/component/content/article/52-news/161-implementation-of-property-tax

                    > Joshua Vincent, Executive Director
                    > Center for the Study of Economics
                    > 413 South 10th Street
                    > Philadelphia, PA 19147
                    > 215.923.7800 Extension 1
                    > www.urbantools.org
                    > www.ourcommonwealth.org

                    Joshua, I got the CSE news email.  Nice to see you were involved in a minor way to have SVT implemented in Ireland.  Also, nice to see that full land values will be implemented in 2012. This is great news, as this is at national level in an EU country.

                    Congrats on the success in Altoona PA. Altoona eliminates tax on buildings, for the first time in American history.  You should feel proud of that.  The thin end of the wedge I do hope.

                    John
                  • Scott on the Spot
                    Josh - please keep us updated on Altoona s progress. We Georgist need all the real-world examples we can get! P.S. If you happen to be in NYC, Jan. 22 3-7:00,
                    Message 9 of 11 , Dec 27, 2010
                      Josh - please keep us updated on Altoona's progress. We Georgist need all the real-world examples we can get!
                      P.S. If you happen to be in NYC, Jan. 22 3-7:00, that's when we have our next Common Ground meeting at the Vanderbilt Y (47th street, near @ Avenue). Why 4 hours? Well, the first half will include our activities and an analysis of Goldman Sachs - who pays Zero Property taxes, and always will (on a $36 million property under their new half billion dollar headquarters (yes, that's how the numbers come out in the NYC database), thanks to a deal with Bloomberg. There are some other shockers to come out in the meeting too.
                      The second half we broaden out to a showing of the deregulation documentary "A Snowmobile For George" (George Bush, not Henry George), with a guest speaker lawyer post-film to talk about the issues. Can't have Land values if there's no regulation on pollution and public land is being privatized!
                      See our site for more:

                      --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "John" <burns-john@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Vincent <joshua@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Just a few links to the story from outside the LVT perspective:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/
                      > >
                      > >
                      > <http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/\
                      > >
                      > >
                      > http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-20\
                      > 12-2010-11/
                      > >
                      > >
                      > <http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-2\
                      > 012-2010-11/>
                      > >
                      > http://www.irish-surveyors.ie/index.php/component/content/article/52-new\
                      > s/161-implementation-of-property-tax
                      > > Joshua Vincent, Executive Director
                      > > Center for the Study of Economics
                      > > 413 South 10th Street
                      > > Philadelphia, PA 19147
                      > > 215.923.7800 Extension 1
                      > > www.urbantools.org
                      > > www.ourcommonwealth.org
                      >
                      > Joshua, I got the CSE news email. Nice to see you were involved in a
                      > minor way to have SVT implemented in Ireland. Also, nice to see that
                      > full land values will be implemented in 2012. This is great news, as
                      > this is at national level in an EU country.
                      > Congrats on the success in Altoona PA. Altoona eliminates tax on
                      > buildings, for the first time in American history. You should feel
                      > proud of that. The thin end of the wedge I do hope.
                      > John
                      >
                    • Scott on the Spot
                      Whhops, here s our site: http://groups.google.com/group/common-ground-nyc
                      Message 10 of 11 , Dec 27, 2010
                        Whhops, here's our site: http://groups.google.com/group/common-ground-nyc
                        --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "Scott on the Spot" <ssbaker305@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Josh - please keep us updated on Altoona's progress. We Georgist need all the real-world examples we can get!
                        > P.S. If you happen to be in NYC, Jan. 22 3-7:00, that's when we have our next Common Ground meeting at the Vanderbilt Y (47th street, near @ Avenue). Why 4 hours? Well, the first half will include our activities and an analysis of Goldman Sachs - who pays Zero Property taxes, and always will (on a $36 million property under their new half billion dollar headquarters (yes, that's how the numbers come out in the NYC database), thanks to a deal with Bloomberg. There are some other shockers to come out in the meeting too.
                        > The second half we broaden out to a showing of the deregulation documentary "A Snowmobile For George" (George Bush, not Henry George), with a guest speaker lawyer post-film to talk about the issues. Can't have Land values if there's no regulation on pollution and public land is being privatized!
                        > See our site for more:
                        >
                        > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, "John" <burns-john@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In LandCafe@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Vincent <joshua@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Just a few links to the story from outside the LVT perspective:
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > <http://wireupdate.com/wires/13040/ireland-unveils-budget-cuts-for-2011/\
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-20\
                        > > 12-2010-11/
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > <http://www.thejournal.ie/government-announces-new-site-value-tax-from-2\
                        > > 012-2010-11/>
                        > > >
                        > > http://www.irish-surveyors.ie/index.php/component/content/article/52-new\
                        > > s/161-implementation-of-property-tax
                        > > > Joshua Vincent, Executive Director
                        > > > Center for the Study of Economics
                        > > > 413 South 10th Street
                        > > > Philadelphia, PA 19147
                        > > > 215.923.7800 Extension 1
                        > > > www.urbantools.org
                        > > > www.ourcommonwealth.org
                        > >
                        > > Joshua, I got the CSE news email. Nice to see you were involved in a
                        > > minor way to have SVT implemented in Ireland. Also, nice to see that
                        > > full land values will be implemented in 2012. This is great news, as
                        > > this is at national level in an EU country.
                        > > Congrats on the success in Altoona PA. Altoona eliminates tax on
                        > > buildings, for the first time in American history. You should feel
                        > > proud of that. The thin end of the wedge I do hope.
                        > > John
                        > >
                        >
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