Re: [Lambeth_Cyclists] Ask Boris about cycling in Lambeth
- Without wishing to be pedantic technical term is collisions, cant remember
why this is the technical term, but accident seems to absolve the
Interesting analysis but seems to confirm what people always say, that
they dont cycle because of the speed and the amount of the traffic "The
data would suggest that the more over-capacity (large amounts of motor
traffic filling a road) a link (road/highway) is,
the more likely an accident"
I do know that KSIs (Killed and Seriously Injured) by collisions are 10-12
times as likely to happen at roundabouts and gyratories, Waterloo, E&C and
The point you have made about sending cycle hire cyclists off into the
badlands of the Kennington Park Road, Oval junction, Vauxhall gyratory has
been forcibly made by Lambeth Cyclists in particular and LCC in general,
also the lack of direct routes, and LCC have obtained funding for measures
associated with the cycle hire, which in Lambeth will be mainly works to
return the network of one way streets in the Oval, Waterloo, Vauxhall area
to 2 way. which still leaves the badlands.
There is a thread about this on the LCC CPEC list, where headbangers
discuss this kind of technical detail, open to anyone, love more people to
join, which falls under the other Mayor's list thing, Cycle super
highways. The first route that will be installed is a direct route for new
cyclists which goes down Clapham High Street, Clapham Road, Stockwell
Triangle, and through the Oval (no they are not joking)
It does however allow us to discuss how you deal with overcapacity links,
such as Clapham High Street to encourage new cyclists, segregation?, wide
bus lanes, and speeding traffic on Clapham Road.
The data is straight forward STATS19 - the same database used by TfL.
> I have done a simple join on the data using GIS to obtain the number of
> accidents in each 'Network of Interest'
> The concept of correltating accidents to overall traffic is an interesting
> one.. I've tried using a negative binomial regression with mixed
> results. The data would suggest that the more over-capacity a link is,
> the more likely an accident. This is why I think the cycle hire scheme
> effects us all.
> From: Andrew Weir <Andrewweir1@...>
> To: "Lambeth_Cyclists@yahoogroups.com" <Lambeth_Cyclists@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:53:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Lambeth_Cyclists] Ask Boris about cycling in Lambeth
> I looked quickly at your tables and found some of them hard to read
> of the low res of the images. But you would also have to quote the sources
> and samples you are using. You are a long way, so far, I think, from
> proving that there has been a 50 per cent increase in rush hour cycling
> accidents, let alone correlating it to the increase in traffic.
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- Cracking idea Grommit!
Here's one of those ready made letters you may wish to make better and send:
September 20, 2009
"Ministers are considering a far-reaching change in the law in a bid to promote greener transport. MINISTERS are considering making motorists legally responsible for accidents involving cyclists or pedestrians, even if they are not at fault"
Please support this move. As the law has been thus in Austria for 20 years+ already, and is this way on other parts of the continent, there should be evidence available (via the dft? make it public please) to say whether it will be good or not
please add your own e-mail address as a signature to your own e-mails, including replies an forwards, to avoid replies going to the whole group when not intended (pesky Yahoogroups! !) Thanks
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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:57 PM
Subject: [Lambeth_Cyclists] Made My Day. Fantastic Proposals from the DfT.
I will be forwarding this to my MP Tessa Jowell asking her to support
these proposals. It would be good if other Lambeth MPs were also lobbied
by Lambeth Cyclists, particularly as next year they are all up for
September 20, 2009
Ministers are considering a far-reaching change in the law in a bid to
promote greener transport
MINISTERS are considering making motorists legally responsible for accidents
involving cyclists or pedestrians, even if they are not at fault.
Government advisers are pushing for changes in the civil law that will make
the most powerful vehicle involved in a collision automatically liable for
insurance and compensation purposes.
The move, intended to encourage greater take-up of environmentally friendly
modes of transport, is likely to anger some drivers, many of whom already
perceive themselves to be the victims of moneyspinning speed cameras and
overzealous traffic wardens.
Many will argue that it is the risky behaviour of some cyclists -
particularly those who jump red lights and ride the wrong way along one-way
streets - that is to blame for a significant number of crashes.
However, policy-makers believe radical action is required to get people out
of cars and onto bicycles or to walk more. Only 1%-2% of journeys are at
present made by bike.
Other proposals to promote greener - and healthier - transport include the
imposition of blanket 20mph zones on residential streets.
Supporters want such measures to be included in the government's National
Cycling Plan and Active Transport Strategy, due to be published soon.
Phillip Darnton, chief executive of Cycling England, an agency funded by the
Department for Transport (DfT) to promote cycling, said four key policy
changes were needed. "I would like to see the legal onus placed on
when there are accidents; speed limits reduced to 20mph on suburban and
residential roads; cycling taught to all schoolchildren; and cycling
provision included in major planning applications," said Darnton.
Such proposals will be seen by some as part of a battle for control of
Britain's roads between motorists, cyclists and pedestrians.
In London, where cycling has bucked the national trend and increased
sharply, clashes are already common.
Last week James Martin, the television celebrity chef, described in a
newspaper his joy at running a group of cyclists off the road and into a
hedge while test-driving a sports car. Martin was forced to apologise after
thousands of angry cyclists protested.
Matthew Parris, a columnist for The Times, was similarly forced to backtrack
last year after suggesting that piano wire should be strung across roads to
decapitate cyclists. Parris said he was joking, but statistics show that
cyclists are actually among the most vulnerable road users, with 115 deaths
last year alone.
Last month Harry Wilmers, 25, a mental health support worker, was killed
when his bicycle was hit by a lorry in Manchester. Wilmers was the boyfriend
of Rebecca Stephenson, the daughter of Sir Paul Stephenson, the Metropolitan
The government is spending £100m on building cycle routes in 18 pilot towns.
Yet motorists and residents are often infuriated at seeing swathes of road
space, or the kerbs where they park their cars, turned into cycle lanes.
Councils in York, Huddersfield and Cambridge, have all had to deal with
Last week lobbyists for cycling and walking groups met Jessica Matthew, the
DfT official in charge of sustainable transport who is drafting the National
Cycling Plan. Placing the onus of responsibility on motorists is perhaps the
most controversial move under consideration.
Such scheme would place the presumption of blame against whoever was driving
the most powerful vehicle involved in an accident, so they or their insurers
would be liable for costs or damages.
If a cyclist were hit by a car, the presumption of blame would fall on the
driver, while a cyclist would automatically be blamed if he or she knocked
down a pedestrian.
Similar policies - which would not extend to criminal law - have already
been adopted by Germany and Holland, where transport campaigners say they
have had a significant influence in changing attitudes towards cycling.
Matthew, who has been briefing Lord Adonis, the transport secretary, also
confirmed that ministers want to slash speed limits in urban areas.
Her report is expected to recommend that councils should introduce 20mph
zones in all residential streets and on other roads with high numbers of
cyclists or pedestrians. This would include roads around schools, markets
and shopping areas, as long as they are not major through routes.
Edmund King, president of the AA, said it was wrong to see cyclists and
motorists as separate and opposed groups. "Many cyclists are
many motorists are cyclists," he said.
"Simple changes in the law that assume one party is in the wrong
what they drive will not help harmony on the roads."
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