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Re: [Lambeth_Cyclists] Ask Boris about cycling in Lambeth

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  • clneely@kemerton.force9.co.uk
    Without wishing to be pedantic technical term is collisions, cant remember why this is the technical term, but accident seems to absolve the motorist.
    Message 1 of 36 , Sep 1, 2009
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      Without wishing to be pedantic technical term is collisions, cant remember
      why this is the technical term, but accident seems to absolve the

      Interesting analysis but seems to confirm what people always say, that
      they dont cycle because of the speed and the amount of the traffic "The
      data would suggest that the more over-capacity (large amounts of motor
      traffic filling a road) a link (road/highway) is,
      the more likely an accident"

      I do know that KSIs (Killed and Seriously Injured) by collisions are 10-12
      times as likely to happen at roundabouts and gyratories, Waterloo, E&C and
      Vauxhall Cross.

      The point you have made about sending cycle hire cyclists off into the
      badlands of the Kennington Park Road, Oval junction, Vauxhall gyratory has
      been forcibly made by Lambeth Cyclists in particular and LCC in general,
      also the lack of direct routes, and LCC have obtained funding for measures
      associated with the cycle hire, which in Lambeth will be mainly works to
      return the network of one way streets in the Oval, Waterloo, Vauxhall area
      to 2 way. which still leaves the badlands.

      There is a thread about this on the LCC CPEC list, where headbangers
      discuss this kind of technical detail, open to anyone, love more people to
      join, which falls under the other Mayor's list thing, Cycle super
      highways. The first route that will be installed is a direct route for new
      cyclists which goes down Clapham High Street, Clapham Road, Stockwell
      Triangle, and through the Oval (no they are not joking)

      It does however allow us to discuss how you deal with overcapacity links,
      such as Clapham High Street to encourage new cyclists, segregation?, wide
      bus lanes, and speeding traffic on Clapham Road.

      The data is straight forward STATS19 - the same database used by TfL.
      > I have done a simple join on the data using GIS to obtain the number of
      > accidents in each 'Network of Interest'
      > The concept of correltating accidents to overall traffic is an interesting
      > one..   I've tried using a negative binomial regression with mixed
      > results.  The data would suggest that the more over-capacity a link is,
      > the more likely an accident.  This is why I think the cycle hire scheme
      > effects us all. 
      > ________________________________
      > From: Andrew Weir <Andrewweir1@...>
      > To: "Lambeth_Cyclists@yahoogroups.com" <Lambeth_Cyclists@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:53:28 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Lambeth_Cyclists] Ask Boris about cycling in Lambeth
      > I looked quickly at your tables and found some of them hard to read
      > because
      > of the low res of the images. But you would also have to quote the sources
      > and samples you are using. You are a long way, so far, I think, from
      > proving that there has been a 50 per cent increase in rush hour cycling
      > accidents, let alone correlating it to the increase in traffic.
      > Andrew
      > .
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    • Ross Corben
      Cracking idea Grommit! Here s one of those ready made letters you may wish to make better and send: Dear MP, re
      Message 36 of 36 , Sep 22, 2009
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        Cracking idea Grommit!

        Here's one of those ready made letters you may wish to make better and send:

        Dear MP,

        September 20, 2009

        "Ministers are considering a far-reaching change in the law in a bid to promote greener transport. MINISTERS are considering making motorists legally responsible for accidents involving cyclists or pedestrians, even if they are not at fault"

        Please support this move. As the law has been thus in Austria for 20 years+ already, and is this way on other parts of the continent, there should be evidence available (via the dft? make it public please) to say whether it will be good or not


        please add your own e-mail address as a signature to your own e-mails, including replies an forwards, to avoid replies going to the whole group when not intended (pesky Yahoogroups! !) Thanks

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: clneely@...
        To: clneely@...
        Cc: lambeth_cyclists@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:57 PM
        Subject: [Lambeth_Cyclists] Made My Day. Fantastic Proposals from the DfT.

        I will be forwarding this to my MP Tessa Jowell asking her to support
        these proposals. It would be good if other Lambeth MPs were also lobbied
        by Lambeth Cyclists, particularly as next year they are all up for


        September 20, 2009

        Ministers are considering a far-reaching change in the law in a bid to

        promote greener transport

        MINISTERS are considering making motorists legally responsible for accidents

        involving cyclists or pedestrians, even if they are not at fault.

        Government advisers are pushing for changes in the civil law that will make

        the most powerful vehicle involved in a collision automatically liable for

        insurance and compensation purposes.

        The move, intended to encourage greater take-up of environmentally friendly

        modes of transport, is likely to anger some drivers, many of whom already

        perceive themselves to be the victims of moneyspinning speed cameras and

        overzealous traffic wardens.

        Many will argue that it is the risky behaviour of some cyclists -

        particularly those who jump red lights and ride the wrong way along one-way

        streets - that is to blame for a significant number of crashes.

        However, policy-makers believe radical action is required to get people out

        of cars and onto bicycles or to walk more. Only 1%-2% of journeys are at

        present made by bike.

        Other proposals to promote greener - and healthier - transport include the

        imposition of blanket 20mph zones on residential streets.

        Supporters want such measures to be included in the government's National

        Cycling Plan and Active Transport Strategy, due to be published soon.

        Phillip Darnton, chief executive of Cycling England, an agency funded by the

        Department for Transport (DfT) to promote cycling, said four key policy

        changes were needed. "I would like to see the legal onus placed on

        when there are accidents; speed limits reduced to 20mph on suburban and

        residential roads; cycling taught to all schoolchildren; and cycling

        provision included in major planning applications," said Darnton.

        Such proposals will be seen by some as part of a battle for control of

        Britain's roads between motorists, cyclists and pedestrians.

        In London, where cycling has bucked the national trend and increased

        sharply, clashes are already common.

        Last week James Martin, the television celebrity chef, described in a

        newspaper his joy at running a group of cyclists off the road and into a

        hedge while test-driving a sports car. Martin was forced to apologise after

        thousands of angry cyclists protested.

        Matthew Parris, a columnist for The Times, was similarly forced to backtrack

        last year after suggesting that piano wire should be strung across roads to

        decapitate cyclists. Parris said he was joking, but statistics show that

        cyclists are actually among the most vulnerable road users, with 115 deaths

        last year alone.

        Last month Harry Wilmers, 25, a mental health support worker, was killed

        when his bicycle was hit by a lorry in Manchester. Wilmers was the boyfriend

        of Rebecca Stephenson, the daughter of Sir Paul Stephenson, the Metropolitan

        police commissioner.

        The government is spending £100m on building cycle routes in 18 pilot towns.

        Yet motorists and residents are often infuriated at seeing swathes of road

        space, or the kerbs where they park their cars, turned into cycle lanes.

        Councils in York, Huddersfield and Cambridge, have all had to deal with

        anti-cycling protests.

        Last week lobbyists for cycling and walking groups met Jessica Matthew, the

        DfT official in charge of sustainable transport who is drafting the National

        Cycling Plan. Placing the onus of responsibility on motorists is perhaps the

        most controversial move under consideration.

        Such scheme would place the presumption of blame against whoever was driving

        the most powerful vehicle involved in an accident, so they or their insurers

        would be liable for costs or damages.

        If a cyclist were hit by a car, the presumption of blame would fall on the

        driver, while a cyclist would automatically be blamed if he or she knocked

        down a pedestrian.

        Similar policies - which would not extend to criminal law - have already

        been adopted by Germany and Holland, where transport campaigners say they

        have had a significant influence in changing attitudes towards cycling.

        Matthew, who has been briefing Lord Adonis, the transport secretary, also

        confirmed that ministers want to slash speed limits in urban areas.

        Her report is expected to recommend that councils should introduce 20mph

        zones in all residential streets and on other roads with high numbers of

        cyclists or pedestrians. This would include roads around schools, markets

        and shopping areas, as long as they are not major through routes.

        Edmund King, president of the AA, said it was wrong to see cyclists and

        motorists as separate and opposed groups. "Many cyclists are
        motorists and

        many motorists are cyclists," he said.

        "Simple changes in the law that assume one party is in the wrong
        because of

        what they drive will not help harmony on the roads."

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