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  • gallowaywarner
    My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I m wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC . We don t have much
    Message 1 of 24 , Jul 15, 2008
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      My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
      wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .

      We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
      always wanted to build .

      Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
      keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple simple
      simple is what we are hoping for .
    • darkuehl
      ... The best thing you can do is read all the threads by those who have built. It is a mixed bag, costs can run higher than a start from scratch stick built
      Message 2 of 24 , Jul 15, 2008
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        --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "gallowaywarner"
        <gallowaywarner@...> wrote:
        >
        > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
        > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
        >
        > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
        > always wanted to build .
        >
        > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
        > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple simple
        > simple is what we are hoping for .
        >
        The best thing you can do is read all the threads by those who have
        built. It is a mixed bag, costs can run higher than a start from
        scratch stick built home. I am trying to build now myself , and ,can
        see how the project can get away from you if you let it.You have to be
        tough , be your own general Contractor , don't settle for whats easy ,
        do your home work at every turn. I have found on some items , the cost
        can very 10,000 here and 10,000 there , so be careful. Every site is
        different , and every person has different productivities, abilities,
        needs, and funds.
      • David
        ... simple ... Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
        Message 3 of 24 , Jul 15, 2008
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          --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "gallowaywarner"
          <gallowaywarner@...> wrote:
          >
          > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
          > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
          >
          > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
          > always wanted to build .
          >
          > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
          > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
          simple
          > simple is what we are hoping for .

          Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL
          Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
          target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two years.
          We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of building
          our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the transportation
          cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from Missouri
          to North Carolina.

          Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I found the
          tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to discuss
          the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company President and
          Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home as well
          as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.

          If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
          recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking through
          the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for you. Let
          me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk through the
          space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more than one
          unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than one unit
          remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely on the
          informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would have made
          a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct my
          home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to build
          my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
          participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to gain
          some alternative approaches to my ideas.

          My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had surveyed
          May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the survey the
          preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the county.
          Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for appraisal
          next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-$700.00.
          and take another two months before we receive their findings.

          I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page that
          list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
          configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is valuable
          information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections that
          cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable information on
          cost associated with constructing the Homes.

          I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and I'll keep
          you posted on my progress.

          PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable resource,
          providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to construct a
          LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
        • gallowaywarner
          ... I m ... trying to ... simple ... have ... be ... easy , ... cost ... abilities, ... Thanks so much for the advise.
          Message 4 of 24 , Jul 16, 2008
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            --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "darkuehl" <darkuehl@...> wrote:
            >
            > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "gallowaywarner"
            > <gallowaywarner@> wrote:
            > >
            > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and
            I'm
            > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
            > >
            > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
            > > always wanted to build .
            > >
            > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
            trying to
            > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
            simple
            > > simple is what we are hoping for .
            > >
            > The best thing you can do is read all the threads by those who
            have
            > built. It is a mixed bag, costs can run higher than a start from
            > scratch stick built home. I am trying to build now myself , and ,can
            > see how the project can get away from you if you let it.You have to
            be
            > tough , be your own general Contractor , don't settle for whats
            easy ,
            > do your home work at every turn. I have found on some items , the
            cost
            > can very 10,000 here and 10,000 there , so be careful. Every site is
            > different , and every person has different productivities,
            abilities,
            > needs, and funds.
            >


            Thanks so much for the advise.
          • Warner Galloway
            Thanks for the advise . ... From: darkuehl Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte ) To:
            Message 5 of 24 , Jul 16, 2008
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              Thanks for the advise .

              --- On Tue, 7/15/08, darkuehl <darkuehl@...> wrote:
              From: darkuehl <darkuehl@...>
              Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
              To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
              Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:14 PM

              --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
              <gallowaywarner@ ...> wrote:
              >
              > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
              > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
              >
              > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
              > always wanted to build .
              >
              > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
              > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple simple
              > simple is what we are hoping for .
              >
              The best thing you can do is read all the threads by those who have
              built. It is a mixed bag, costs can run higher than a start from
              scratch stick built home. I am trying to build now myself , and ,can
              see how the project can get away from you if you let it.You have to be
              tough , be your own general Contractor , don't settle for whats easy ,
              do your home work at every turn. I have found on some items , the cost
              can very 10,000 here and 10,000 there , so be careful. Every site is
              different , and every person has different productivities, abilities,
              needs, and funds.


            • Warner Galloway
              Thanks so much for the useful information greatly appriceated . I was able to do the tour over in Napa and upon seeing the space I added a few things as well
              Message 6 of 24 , Jul 16, 2008
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                Thanks so much for the useful information greatly appriceated . I was able to do the tour over in Napa and upon seeing the space I added a few things as well . We are in the processing of finding land that will work for us . I really wanted some land around Lake Norman however I'm hearing that it may become costly to build around a Lake. We are considering other options . I will truly keep your advise handy . Let me know how things progress for you . If its okay in ther future I may want to actually see how things are going. I am somewhat familar with your area . I went to NC State for a couple years .

                 

                Thanks again

                 

                Warner

                --- On Tue, 7/15/08, David <lorecamiranda@...> wrote:

                From: David <lorecamiranda@...>
                Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:43 PM

                --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                <gallowaywarner@ ...> wrote:
                >
                > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
                > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
                >
                > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                > always wanted to build .
                >
                > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
                > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
                simple
                > simple is what we are hoping for .

                Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL
                Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
                target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two years.
                We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of building
                our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the transportation
                cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from Missouri
                to North Carolina.

                Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I found the
                tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to discuss
                the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company President and
                Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home as well
                as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.

                If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
                recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking through
                the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for you. Let
                me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk through the
                space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more than one
                unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than one unit
                remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely on the
                informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would have made
                a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct my
                home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to build
                my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
                participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to gain
                some alternative approaches to my ideas.

                My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had surveyed
                May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the survey the
                preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the county.
                Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for appraisal
                next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-$700.00.
                and take another two months before we receive their findings.

                I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page that
                list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is valuable
                information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections that
                cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable information on
                cost associated with constructing the Homes.

                I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and I'll keep
                you posted on my progress.

                PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable resource,
                providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to construct a
                LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.


              • darkuehl
                ... simple ... I built in the Blur Ridge 25 years ago ( Highlands area ), a 5 story tower home on the side of a mountain. very nice area. At the time the
                Message 7 of 24 , Jul 16, 2008
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                  --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, Warner Galloway
                  <gallowaywarner@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Thanks for the advise .
                  >
                  > --- On Tue, 7/15/08, darkuehl <darkuehl@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > From: darkuehl <darkuehl@...>
                  > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                  > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:14 PM
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                  > <gallowaywarner@ ...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
                  > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
                  > >
                  > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                  > > always wanted to build .
                  > >
                  > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
                  > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
                  simple
                  > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                  > >
                  > The best thing you can do is read all the threads by those who have
                  > built. It is a mixed bag, costs can run higher than a start from
                  > scratch stick built home. I am trying to build now myself , and ,can
                  > see how the project can get away from you if you let it.You have to be
                  > tough , be your own general Contractor , don't settle for whats easy ,
                  > do your home work at every turn. I have found on some items , the cost
                  > can very 10,000 here and 10,000 there , so be careful. Every site is
                  > different , and every person has different productivities, abilities,
                  > needs, and funds.
                  >
                  I built in the Blur Ridge 25 years ago ( Highlands area ), a 5 story
                  tower home on the side of a mountain. very nice area. At the time the
                  costs were low , but today , almost anywhere in NC compares to other
                  places around the country.Lake Norman can be an expensive place to
                  build. NC is one of the few markets that is not suffering like the
                  rest of the country. Look at SC for lower build costs, or , the north
                  mountains in NC ( high country North of Asheville ).
                • massagenbpt
                  Hi, I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General Contractor (G.C.) advice. I ve heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                  Message 8 of 24 , Jul 16, 2008
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                    Hi,
                    I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General Contractor (G.C.) advice.

                    I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a way to save money while
                    building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution against.

                    This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in fact greatly 'over
                    built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply advising someone who has NO
                    building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting someone go ahead and open
                    their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home and that it might be
                    cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning experiences involved in
                    building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool heartedly and expect to save tons
                    of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and extremely stressful. There are
                    many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.

                    At best, if you have little to no building experience or have not carried a position that
                    entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be involved in the building
                    process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area that will look to
                    become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you on the areas that you
                    choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a long term trusted
                    relationship with to handle much of what many of us underestimate. Take a good amount
                    of time finding this professional and trust your instincts because communication only
                    becomes more important as you get into the project and if you have any doubts then move
                    on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting costs you some money and
                    patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if you and your G.C. are not
                    'allies'.

                    Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less than a stick built and that
                    the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to be just as expensive as
                    beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst any bubbles, but in time we
                    have realized that we are building a home that will likely retain an appeal due to its' place
                    in modern architecture's storied history, but is not really a practical or cost saving method
                    of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know your reasons for purchasing
                    this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the right desicion for YOU.

                    Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure for you as creating your
                    own home ought to be.

                    Rachel

                    --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                    > <gallowaywarner@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
                    > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
                    > >
                    > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                    > > always wanted to build .
                    > >
                    > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
                    > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
                    > simple
                    > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                    >
                    > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL
                    > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
                    > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two years.
                    > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of building
                    > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the transportation
                    > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from Missouri
                    > to North Carolina.
                    >
                    > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I found the
                    > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to discuss
                    > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company President and
                    > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home as well
                    > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                    >
                    > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
                    > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking through
                    > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for you. Let
                    > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk through the
                    > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more than one
                    > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than one unit
                    > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely on the
                    > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would have made
                    > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct my
                    > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to build
                    > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
                    > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to gain
                    > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                    >
                    > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had surveyed
                    > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the survey the
                    > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the county.
                    > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for appraisal
                    > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-$700.00.
                    > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                    >
                    > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page that
                    > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                    > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is valuable
                    > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections that
                    > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable information on
                    > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                    >
                    > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and I'll keep
                    > you posted on my progress.
                    >
                    > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable resource,
                    > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to construct a
                    > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                    >
                  • gregg schultz
                    I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may be difficult.  I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which were challengenging but
                    Message 9 of 24 , Jul 17, 2008
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                      I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may be difficult.  I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which were challengenging but manageable.  I don't think I could have done the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly than the savings.  This was a complicated home to build, though knowledge of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in particular, metal workers for the siding)

                      --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@...> wrote:
                      From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@...>
                      Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                      To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM

                      Hi,
                      I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General Contractor (G.C.) advice.

                      I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a way to save money while
                      building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution against.

                      This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in fact greatly 'over
                      built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply advising someone who has NO
                      building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting someone go ahead and open
                      their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home and that it might be
                      cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning experiences involved in
                      building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool heartedly and expect to save tons
                      of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and extremely stressful. There are
                      many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.

                      At best, if you have little to no building experience or have not carried a position that
                      entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be involved in the building
                      process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area that will look to
                      become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you on the areas that you
                      choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a long term trusted
                      relationship with to handle much of what many of us underestimate. Take a good amount
                      of time finding this professional and trust your instincts because communication only
                      becomes more important as you get into the project and if you have any doubts then move
                      on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting costs you some money and
                      patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if you and your G.C. are not
                      'allies'.

                      Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less than a stick built and that
                      the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to be just as expensive as
                      beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst any bubbles, but in time we
                      have realized that we are building a home that will likely retain an appeal due to its' place
                      in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a practical or cost saving method
                      of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know your reasons for purchasing
                      this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the right desicion for YOU.

                      Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure for you as creating your
                      own home ought to be.

                      Rachel

                      --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@ ...> wrote:
                      >
                      > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                      > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
                      > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
                      > >
                      > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                      > > always wanted to build .
                      > >
                      > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
                      > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
                      > simple
                      > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                      >
                      > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL
                      > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
                      > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two years.
                      > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of building
                      > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the transportation
                      > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from Missouri
                      > to North Carolina.
                      >
                      > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I found the
                      > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to discuss
                      > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company President and
                      > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home as well
                      > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                      >
                      > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
                      > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking through
                      > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for you. Let
                      > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk through the
                      > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more than one
                      > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than one unit
                      > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely on the
                      > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would have made
                      > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct my
                      > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to build
                      > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
                      > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to gain
                      > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                      >
                      > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had surveyed
                      > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the survey the
                      > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the county.
                      > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for appraisal
                      > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-$700.00.
                      > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                      >
                      > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page that
                      > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                      > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is valuable
                      > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections that
                      > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable information on
                      > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                      >
                      > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and I'll keep
                      > you posted on my progress.
                      >
                      > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable resource,
                      > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to construct a
                      > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                      >

                    • jeanne jaeger
                      Yeh, dont build it. ... From: gallowaywarner Subject: [LVHomeFans] Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte ) To:
                      Message 10 of 24 , Jul 17, 2008
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                        Yeh, dont build it.

                        --- On Tue, 7/15/08, gallowaywarner <gallowaywarner@...> wrote:
                        From: gallowaywarner <gallowaywarner@...>
                        Subject: [LVHomeFans] Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                        To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                        Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:05 AM

                        My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC and I'm
                        wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .

                        We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                        always wanted to build .

                        Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are trying to
                        keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple simple
                        simple is what we are hoping for .


                      • darkuehl
                        ... difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which were challengenging but manageable. I don t think I could have done the LV, and if I
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                          --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may be
                          difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                          were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have done
                          the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly than
                          the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though knowledge
                          of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in particular,
                          metal workers for the siding)
                          >
                          > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@...>
                          > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                          > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                          >
                          > Being your own GC has stirred a considerable amount of interest.I
                          would like to clarify my previous statement to that fact.... A good
                          GC is important , necessary , in fact. However , the duties of the
                          owner should not be that of disregard as to whats going on. Often
                          times , the owner is unaware of cost saving options , when , he is not
                          involved in the direct purchase of the product or service. Even the
                          best GC will take the route of lest liability and exposure ,
                          disregarding the possibilities that may exist , when building a non
                          conventional ,non standard for the area , home.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi,
                          > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                          Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                          >
                          > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a way
                          to save money while
                          > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                          against.
                          >
                          > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in fact
                          greatly 'over
                          > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                          advising someone who has NO
                          > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting someone
                          go ahead and open
                          > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home and
                          that it might be
                          > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                          experiences involved in
                          > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool heartedly and
                          expect to save tons
                          > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and extremely
                          stressful. There are
                          > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                          >
                          > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have not
                          carried a position that
                          > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                          involved in the building
                          > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                          that will look to
                          > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you on
                          the areas that you
                          > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                          long term trusted
                          > relationship with to handle much of what many of us underestimate.
                          Take a good amount
                          > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts because
                          communication only
                          > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you have
                          any doubts then move
                          > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting costs you
                          some money and
                          > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if you and
                          your G.C. are not
                          > 'allies'.
                          >
                          > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less than
                          a stick built and that
                          > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to be
                          just as expensive as
                          > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst any
                          bubbles, but in time we
                          > have realized that we are building a home that will likely retain an
                          appeal due to its' place
                          > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                          practical or cost saving method
                          > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know your
                          reasons for purchasing
                          > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the right
                          desicion for YOU.
                          >
                          > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure for you
                          as creating your
                          > own home ought to be.
                          >
                          > Rachel
                          >
                          > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@ ...> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                          > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC
                          and I'm
                          > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
                          > > >
                          > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                          > > > always wanted to build .
                          > > >
                          > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                          trying to
                          > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
                          > > simple
                          > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                          > >
                          > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL
                          > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
                          > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two
                          years.
                          > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                          building
                          > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the transportation
                          > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                          Missouri
                          > > to North Carolina.
                          > >
                          > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I found the
                          > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                          discuss
                          > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                          President and
                          > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home as
                          well
                          > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                          > >
                          > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
                          > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking through
                          > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for you.
                          Let
                          > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk through the
                          > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more than one
                          > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than one unit
                          > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely on the
                          > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would have
                          made
                          > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct my
                          > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to
                          build
                          > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
                          > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to gain
                          > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                          > >
                          > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had surveyed
                          > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the survey the
                          > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the county.
                          > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                          appraisal
                          > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-$700.00.
                          > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                          > >
                          > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page that
                          > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                          > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                          valuable
                          > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections that
                          > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable information on
                          > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                          > >
                          > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and I'll
                          keep
                          > > you posted on my progress.
                          > >
                          > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable resource,
                          > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to construct a
                          > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                          > >
                          >
                        • luminhaus
                          I would like to add a “pros” and “cons” list on being your own GC: Pros The possibility of saving $$. Understanding how the house is built…if
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                            I would like to add a “pros” and “cons” list on being your own GC:
                            Pros
                            The possibility of saving $$.
                            Understanding how the house is built…if something goes wrong, you know
                            where everything is, how everything works.
                            Being able to hire your own subcontractors.
                            Deciding where to save $$, where to splurge.
                            Keeping control of the spending.
                            Meeting and getting to know local people (in construction and building
                            materials business).

                            Cons
                            If you don’t know much about construction, you could make VERY costly
                            mistakes.
                            A GC is a full-time job…plan to take 6 months to a year off from your
                            regular job.
                            Can be very stressful.
                            Can end up costing much more, if you are not experienced (did I
                            already list that??).
                            May be hard to find subcontractors…they have never worked with you.
                            Can you get construction insurance without a licensed GC?? Probably not.

                            Just a sample of the pros and cons….I’m sure others could add to each
                            list.

                            Jennifer
                          • Ethan
                            I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We discovered this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a skilled team. We started with
                            Message 13 of 24 , Jul 19, 2008
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                              I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We discovered
                              this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a skilled
                              team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but the
                              siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a metal
                              fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and aluminum
                              finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior window
                              trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the coping for
                              the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                              needed to refab these pieces locally.

                              --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may be
                              difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                              were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have done
                              the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly than
                              the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though knowledge
                              of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in particular,
                              metal workers for the siding)
                              >
                              > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@...>
                              > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                              > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Hi,
                              > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                              Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                              >
                              > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a way
                              to save money while
                              > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                              against.
                              >
                              > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in fact
                              greatly 'over
                              > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                              advising someone who has NO
                              > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting someone
                              go ahead and open
                              > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home and
                              that it might be
                              > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                              experiences involved in
                              > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool heartedly and
                              expect to save tons
                              > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and extremely
                              stressful. There are
                              > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                              >
                              > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have not
                              carried a position that
                              > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                              involved in the building
                              > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                              that will look to
                              > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you on
                              the areas that you
                              > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                              long term trusted
                              > relationship with to handle much of what many of us underestimate.
                              Take a good amount
                              > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts because
                              communication only
                              > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you have
                              any doubts then move
                              > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting costs you
                              some money and
                              > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if you and
                              your G.C. are not
                              > 'allies'.
                              >
                              > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less than
                              a stick built and that
                              > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to be
                              just as expensive as
                              > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst any
                              bubbles, but in time we
                              > have realized that we are building a home that will likely retain an
                              appeal due to its' place
                              > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                              practical or cost saving method
                              > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know your
                              reasons for purchasing
                              > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the right
                              desicion for YOU.
                              >
                              > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure for you
                              as creating your
                              > own home ought to be.
                              >
                              > Rachel
                              >
                              > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@ ...> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                              > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC
                              and I'm
                              > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of NC .
                              > > >
                              > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and have
                              > > > always wanted to build .
                              > > >
                              > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                              trying to
                              > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. Simple
                              > > simple
                              > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                              > >
                              > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building a LVL
                              > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae set a
                              > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two
                              years.
                              > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                              building
                              > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the transportation
                              > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                              Missouri
                              > > to North Carolina.
                              > >
                              > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I found the
                              > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                              discuss
                              > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                              President and
                              > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home as
                              well
                              > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                              > >
                              > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
                              > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking through
                              > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for you.
                              Let
                              > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk through the
                              > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more than one
                              > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than one unit
                              > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely on the
                              > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would have
                              made
                              > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct my
                              > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to
                              build
                              > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
                              > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to gain
                              > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                              > >
                              > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had surveyed
                              > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the survey the
                              > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the county.
                              > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                              appraisal
                              > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-$700.00.
                              > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                              > >
                              > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page that
                              > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                              > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                              valuable
                              > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections that
                              > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable information on
                              > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                              > >
                              > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and I'll
                              keep
                              > > you posted on my progress.
                              > >
                              > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable resource,
                              > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to construct a
                              > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                              > >
                              >
                            • jimmyhig
                              I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel strongly, that if I had
                              Message 14 of 24 , Jul 23, 2008
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                                I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective way
                                is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if you
                                customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that if
                                you do have some construction experience you should be able to figure
                                it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                the pieces and parts.
                                The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care is
                                need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor had
                                a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the material
                                for the owner.
                                As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge liability
                                in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                for one, am happy she does.
                                Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                completely thrilled with mine.
                                Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@...>
                                wrote:
                                >
                                > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We discovered
                                > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a skilled
                                > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                the
                                > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a metal
                                > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                aluminum
                                > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                window
                                > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the coping
                                for
                                > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                >
                                > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@>
                                wrote:
                                > >
                                > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may be
                                > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have done
                                > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly than
                                > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though knowledge
                                > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                particular,
                                > metal workers for the siding)
                                > >
                                > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( charlotte )
                                > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Hi,
                                > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                > >
                                > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a way
                                > to save money while
                                > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                > against.
                                > >
                                > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                fact
                                > greatly 'over
                                > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                > advising someone who has NO
                                > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                someone
                                > go ahead and open
                                > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home and
                                > that it might be
                                > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                > experiences involved in
                                > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool heartedly
                                and
                                > expect to save tons
                                > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                extremely
                                > stressful. There are
                                > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                > >
                                > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have not
                                > carried a position that
                                > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                > involved in the building
                                > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                > that will look to
                                > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you on
                                > the areas that you
                                > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                > long term trusted
                                > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us underestimate.
                                > Take a good amount
                                > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts because
                                > communication only
                                > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you have
                                > any doubts then move
                                > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting costs
                                you
                                > some money and
                                > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if you
                                and
                                > your G.C. are not
                                > > 'allies'.
                                > >
                                > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                than
                                > a stick built and that
                                > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to be
                                > just as expensive as
                                > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                any
                                > bubbles, but in time we
                                > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely retain
                                an
                                > appeal due to its' place
                                > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                > practical or cost saving method
                                > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know your
                                > reasons for purchasing
                                > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the right
                                > desicion for YOU.
                                > >
                                > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure for
                                you
                                > as creating your
                                > > own home ought to be.
                                > >
                                > > Rachel
                                > >
                                > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in NC
                                > and I'm
                                > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                NC .
                                > > > >
                                > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design and
                                have
                                > > > > always wanted to build .
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                > trying to
                                > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                Simple
                                > > > simple
                                > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                > > >
                                > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering building
                                a LVL
                                > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We hae
                                set a
                                > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next two
                                > years.
                                > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                > building
                                > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                transportation
                                > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                > Missouri
                                > > > to North Carolina.
                                > > >
                                > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                found the
                                > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                > discuss
                                > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                > President and
                                > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL Home
                                as
                                > well
                                > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                > > >
                                > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I highly
                                > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                through
                                > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                you.
                                > Let
                                > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                through the
                                > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                than one
                                > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                one unit
                                > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase solely
                                on the
                                > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                have
                                > made
                                > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should construct
                                my
                                > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan to
                                > build
                                > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other tour
                                > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me to
                                gain
                                > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                > > >
                                > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                surveyed
                                > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                survey the
                                > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                county.
                                > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                > appraisal
                                > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                $700.00.
                                > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                > > >
                                > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the page
                                that
                                > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                > valuable
                                > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the sections
                                that
                                > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                information on
                                > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                > > >
                                > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                I'll
                                > keep
                                > > > you posted on my progress.
                                > > >
                                > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                resource,
                                > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                construct a
                                > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >
                              • David
                                To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor s detailed description of the
                                Message 15 of 24 , Aug 3 3:43 AM
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                                  To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                  home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                  description of the construction process very informative. My question
                                  to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                  cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport of
                                  your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand the
                                  transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think utilizing
                                  your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                  transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                  Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                  Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                  make that determination.

                                  Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.

                                  PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                  the tour of your Fabulous Home.








                                  --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                  > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                  > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                  > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                  > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                  > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                  way
                                  > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                  you
                                  > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                  > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                  > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                  > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                  > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                  > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                  > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                  if
                                  > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                  figure
                                  > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                  > the pieces and parts.
                                  > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                  is
                                  > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                  had
                                  > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                  > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                  > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                  material
                                  > for the owner.
                                  > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                  > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                  liability
                                  > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                  > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                  > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                  > for one, am happy she does.
                                  > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                  > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                  > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                  > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                  > completely thrilled with mine.
                                  > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                  discovered
                                  > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                  skilled
                                  > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                  > the
                                  > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                  metal
                                  > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                  > aluminum
                                  > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                  > window
                                  > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                  coping
                                  > for
                                  > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                  > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may
                                  be
                                  > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                  > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                  done
                                  > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                  than
                                  > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                  knowledge
                                  > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                  > particular,
                                  > > metal workers for the siding)
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                  > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                  charlotte )
                                  > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Hi,
                                  > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                  > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                                  way
                                  > > to save money while
                                  > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                  > > against.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                  > fact
                                  > > greatly 'over
                                  > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                  > > advising someone who has NO
                                  > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                  > someone
                                  > > go ahead and open
                                  > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                  and
                                  > > that it might be
                                  > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                  > > experiences involved in
                                  > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                  heartedly
                                  > and
                                  > > expect to save tons
                                  > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                  > extremely
                                  > > stressful. There are
                                  > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                  not
                                  > > carried a position that
                                  > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                  > > involved in the building
                                  > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                  > > that will look to
                                  > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you
                                  on
                                  > > the areas that you
                                  > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                  > > long term trusted
                                  > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                  underestimate.
                                  > > Take a good amount
                                  > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                  because
                                  > > communication only
                                  > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                  have
                                  > > any doubts then move
                                  > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                  costs
                                  > you
                                  > > some money and
                                  > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                  you
                                  > and
                                  > > your G.C. are not
                                  > > > 'allies'.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                  > than
                                  > > a stick built and that
                                  > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to
                                  be
                                  > > just as expensive as
                                  > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                  > any
                                  > > bubbles, but in time we
                                  > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                  retain
                                  > an
                                  > > appeal due to its' place
                                  > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                  > > practical or cost saving method
                                  > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                  your
                                  > > reasons for purchasing
                                  > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                  right
                                  > > desicion for YOU.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                  for
                                  > you
                                  > > as creating your
                                  > > > own home ought to be.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Rachel
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                  <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                  > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in
                                  NC
                                  > > and I'm
                                  > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                  > NC .
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                  and
                                  > have
                                  > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                  > > trying to
                                  > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                  > Simple
                                  > > > > simple
                                  > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                  building
                                  > a LVL
                                  > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                  hae
                                  > set a
                                  > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                  two
                                  > > years.
                                  > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                  > > building
                                  > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                  > transportation
                                  > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                  > > Missouri
                                  > > > > to North Carolina.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                  > found the
                                  > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                  > > discuss
                                  > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                  > > President and
                                  > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                  Home
                                  > as
                                  > > well
                                  > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                  highly
                                  > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                  > through
                                  > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                  > you.
                                  > > Let
                                  > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                  > through the
                                  > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                  > than one
                                  > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                  > one unit
                                  > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                  solely
                                  > on the
                                  > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                  > have
                                  > > made
                                  > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                  construct
                                  > my
                                  > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan
                                  to
                                  > > build
                                  > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                  tour
                                  > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me
                                  to
                                  > gain
                                  > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                  > surveyed
                                  > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                  > survey the
                                  > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                  > county.
                                  > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                  > > appraisal
                                  > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                  > $700.00.
                                  > > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                  page
                                  > that
                                  > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                  > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                  > > valuable
                                  > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                  sections
                                  > that
                                  > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                  > information on
                                  > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                  > I'll
                                  > > keep
                                  > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                  > resource,
                                  > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                  > construct a
                                  > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                • Pat Rosend
                                  If the transportation costs are going to bust your budget, you can t afford to build it. You will have cost overruns no matter what and it sounds like you will
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Aug 3 5:25 AM
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                                    If the transportation costs are going to bust your budget, you can't afford to build it. You will have cost overruns no matter what and it sounds like you will have no cushion whatsoever.


                                    ----- Original Message ----
                                    From: David <lorecamiranda@...>
                                    To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:43:35 AM
                                    Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC


                                    To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                    home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                    description of the construction process very informative. My question
                                    to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                    cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport of
                                    your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand the
                                    transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think utilizing
                                    your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                    transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                    Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                    Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                    make that determination.

                                    Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.

                                    PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                    the tour of your Fabulous Home.

                                    --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@.. .> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                    > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                    > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                    > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                    > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                    > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                    way
                                    > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                    you
                                    > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                    > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                    > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                    > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                    > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                    > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                    > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                    if
                                    > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                    figure
                                    > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                    > the pieces and parts.
                                    > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                    is
                                    > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                    had
                                    > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                    > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                    > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                    material
                                    > for the owner.
                                    > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                    > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                    liability
                                    > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                    > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                    > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                    > for one, am happy she does.
                                    > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                    > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                    > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                    > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                    > completely thrilled with mine.
                                    > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                    discovered
                                    > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                    skilled
                                    > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                    > the
                                    > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                    metal
                                    > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                    > aluminum
                                    > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                    > window
                                    > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                    coping
                                    > for
                                    > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                    > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ >
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may
                                    be
                                    > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                    > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                    done
                                    > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                    than
                                    > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                    knowledge
                                    > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                    > particular,
                                    > > metal workers for the siding)
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                    > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                    charlotte )
                                    > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                    > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Hi,
                                    > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                    > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                                    way
                                    > > to save money while
                                    > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                    > > against.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                    > fact
                                    > > greatly 'over
                                    > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                    > > advising someone who has NO
                                    > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                    > someone
                                    > > go ahead and open
                                    > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                    and
                                    > > that it might be
                                    > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                    > > experiences involved in
                                    > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                    heartedly
                                    > and
                                    > > expect to save tons
                                    > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                    > extremely
                                    > > stressful. There are
                                    > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                    not
                                    > > carried a position that
                                    > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                    > > involved in the building
                                    > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                    > > that will look to
                                    > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you
                                    on
                                    > > the areas that you
                                    > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                    > > long term trusted
                                    > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                    underestimate.
                                    > > Take a good amount
                                    > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                    because
                                    > > communication only
                                    > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                    have
                                    > > any doubts then move
                                    > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                    costs
                                    > you
                                    > > some money and
                                    > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                    you
                                    > and
                                    > > your G.C. are not
                                    > > > 'allies'.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                    > than
                                    > > a stick built and that
                                    > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to
                                    be
                                    > > just as expensive as
                                    > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                    > any
                                    > > bubbles, but in time we
                                    > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                    retain
                                    > an
                                    > > appeal due to its' place
                                    > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                    > > practical or cost saving method
                                    > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                    your
                                    > > reasons for purchasing
                                    > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                    right
                                    > > desicion for YOU.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                    for
                                    > you
                                    > > as creating your
                                    > > > own home ought to be.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Rachel
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                    <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                    > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in
                                    NC
                                    > > and I'm
                                    > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                    > NC .
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                    and
                                    > have
                                    > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                    > > trying to
                                    > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                    > Simple
                                    > > > > simple
                                    > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                    building
                                    > a LVL
                                    > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                    hae
                                    > set a
                                    > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                    two
                                    > > years.
                                    > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                    > > building
                                    > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                    > transportation
                                    > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                    > > Missouri
                                    > > > > to North Carolina.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                    > found the
                                    > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                    > > discuss
                                    > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                    > > President and
                                    > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                    Home
                                    > as
                                    > > well
                                    > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                    highly
                                    > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                    > through
                                    > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                    > you.
                                    > > Let
                                    > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                    > through the
                                    > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                    > than one
                                    > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                    > one unit
                                    > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                    solely
                                    > on the
                                    > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                    > have
                                    > > made
                                    > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                    construct
                                    > my
                                    > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan
                                    to
                                    > > build
                                    > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                    tour
                                    > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me
                                    to
                                    > gain
                                    > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                    > surveyed
                                    > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                    > survey the
                                    > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                    > county.
                                    > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                    > > appraisal
                                    > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                    > $700.00.
                                    > > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                    page
                                    > that
                                    > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                    > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                    > > valuable
                                    > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                    sections
                                    > that
                                    > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                    > information on
                                    > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                    > I'll
                                    > > keep
                                    > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                    > resource,
                                    > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                    > construct a
                                    > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    >


                                  • lvminime
                                    I suspect transportation costs have gone up since Jim built. You could email Rocio s outfit for a current best-estimate. We certainly used every bit of info
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                                      I suspect transportation costs have gone up since Jim built. You could email Rocio's outfit
                                      for a current best-estimate.

                                      We certainly used every bit of info we could unearth-Rocio's cost statements from
                                      different owners, this site, our RE agent in Maine with a good sense of local averages (like
                                      septic systems in challenging terrain). Then we had to decided if we could be very very
                                      wrong (low) and still survive before we finalized our land P&S. Truly, cost is so much more
                                      than the LV kit. Some can be controlled (finishing & special amenities) and some is not as
                                      subject to control: site prep, septic, foundation, well work. Many land costs are entirely
                                      unrelated to an LV except that the LV as a flat pack kit can make some things easier.

                                      I think an earlier thread had the excellent observation from a poster that you really need
                                      to nail down the budget with a GC (or your own subs if you act as GC) and stick with the
                                      plan. Change from plan is much more costly than you'd imagine in construction. I think
                                      he said it sort of "however small you think the change, it is change and change means
                                      additional cost."

                                      This starts with the basic kit. If you can avoid customizing, right there you are controlling
                                      cost. If you start wanting to move things . . . of course you can and Rocio will do it well
                                      but you are then hiring an architect to do custom work which does not = kit-cost-
                                      efficiency.

                                      The process of sorting this out is fun, though!
                                    • darkuehl
                                      ... afford to build it. You will have cost overruns no matter what and it sounds like you will have no cushion whatsoever. ... flat bed truck. The cost will
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                                        --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, Pat Rosend <prosend@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > If the transportation costs are going to bust your budget, you can't
                                        afford to build it. You will have cost overruns no matter what and it
                                        sounds like you will have no cushion whatsoever.
                                        >
                                        > You can figure about 4.00 per mile for transportation cost , per
                                        flat bed truck. The cost will change , due to fuel surcharge , which
                                        runs today about 35 per cent ,( of the freight bill ) in the Midwest.
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message ----
                                        > From: David <lorecamiranda@...>
                                        > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:43:35 AM
                                        > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                        > home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                        > description of the construction process very informative. My question
                                        > to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                        > cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport of
                                        > your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand the
                                        > transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think utilizing
                                        > your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                        > transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                        > Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                        > Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                        > make that determination.
                                        >
                                        > Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.
                                        >
                                        > PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                        > the tour of your Fabulous Home.
                                        >
                                        > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@ .> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                        > > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                        > > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                        > > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                        > > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                        > > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                        > way
                                        > > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                        > you
                                        > > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                        > > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                        > > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                        > > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                        > > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                        > > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                        > > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                        > if
                                        > > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                        > figure
                                        > > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                        > > the pieces and parts.
                                        > > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                        > is
                                        > > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                        > had
                                        > > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                        > > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                        > > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                        > material
                                        > > for the owner.
                                        > > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                        > > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                        > liability
                                        > > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                        > > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                        > > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                        > > for one, am happy she does.
                                        > > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                        > > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                        > > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                        > > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                        > > completely thrilled with mine.
                                        > > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                        > discovered
                                        > > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                        > skilled
                                        > > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                        > > the
                                        > > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                        > metal
                                        > > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                        > > aluminum
                                        > > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                        > > window
                                        > > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                        > coping
                                        > > for
                                        > > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                        > > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ >
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may
                                        > be
                                        > > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                        > > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                        > done
                                        > > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                        > than
                                        > > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                        > knowledge
                                        > > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                        > > particular,
                                        > > > metal workers for the siding)
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                        > > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                        > charlotte )
                                        > > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                        > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Hi,
                                        > > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                        > > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                                        > way
                                        > > > to save money while
                                        > > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                        > > > against.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                        > > fact
                                        > > > greatly 'over
                                        > > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                        > > > advising someone who has NO
                                        > > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                        > > someone
                                        > > > go ahead and open
                                        > > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                        > and
                                        > > > that it might be
                                        > > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                        > > > experiences involved in
                                        > > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                        > heartedly
                                        > > and
                                        > > > expect to save tons
                                        > > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                        > > extremely
                                        > > > stressful. There are
                                        > > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                        > not
                                        > > > carried a position that
                                        > > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                        > > > involved in the building
                                        > > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                        > > > that will look to
                                        > > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you
                                        > on
                                        > > > the areas that you
                                        > > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                        > > > long term trusted
                                        > > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                        > underestimate.
                                        > > > Take a good amount
                                        > > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                        > because
                                        > > > communication only
                                        > > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                        > have
                                        > > > any doubts then move
                                        > > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                        > costs
                                        > > you
                                        > > > some money and
                                        > > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                        > you
                                        > > and
                                        > > > your G.C. are not
                                        > > > > 'allies'.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                        > > than
                                        > > > a stick built and that
                                        > > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to
                                        > be
                                        > > > just as expensive as
                                        > > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                        > > any
                                        > > > bubbles, but in time we
                                        > > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                        > retain
                                        > > an
                                        > > > appeal due to its' place
                                        > > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                        > > > practical or cost saving method
                                        > > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                        > your
                                        > > > reasons for purchasing
                                        > > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                        > right
                                        > > > desicion for YOU.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                        > for
                                        > > you
                                        > > > as creating your
                                        > > > > own home ought to be.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Rachel
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                        > <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                        > > wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                        > > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in
                                        > NC
                                        > > > and I'm
                                        > > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                        > > NC .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                        > and
                                        > > have
                                        > > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                        > > > trying to
                                        > > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                        > > Simple
                                        > > > > > simple
                                        > > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                        > building
                                        > > a LVL
                                        > > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                        > hae
                                        > > set a
                                        > > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                        > two
                                        > > > years.
                                        > > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                        > > > building
                                        > > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                        > > transportation
                                        > > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                        > > > Missouri
                                        > > > > > to North Carolina.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                        > > found the
                                        > > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                        > > > discuss
                                        > > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                        > > > President and
                                        > > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                        > Home
                                        > > as
                                        > > > well
                                        > > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                        > highly
                                        > > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                        > > through
                                        > > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                        > > you.
                                        > > > Let
                                        > > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                        > > through the
                                        > > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                        > > than one
                                        > > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                        > > one unit
                                        > > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                        > solely
                                        > > on the
                                        > > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                        > > have
                                        > > > made
                                        > > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                        > construct
                                        > > my
                                        > > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan
                                        > to
                                        > > > build
                                        > > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                        > tour
                                        > > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me
                                        > to
                                        > > gain
                                        > > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                        > > surveyed
                                        > > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                        > > survey the
                                        > > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                        > > county.
                                        > > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                        > > > appraisal
                                        > > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                        > > $700.00.
                                        > > > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                        > page
                                        > > that
                                        > > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                        > > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                        > > > valuable
                                        > > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                        > sections
                                        > > that
                                        > > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                        > > information on
                                        > > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                        > > I'll
                                        > > > keep
                                        > > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                        > > resource,
                                        > > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                        > > construct a
                                        > > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • David Richardson
                                        To: Pat  Rosend   Thanks for your quick response to my inquiry, however your answer left me a little confused. I m not understanding how you determined I
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Aug 3 12:28 PM
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                                          To: Pat  Rosend
                                           
                                          Thanks for your quick response to my inquiry, however your answer left me a little confused. I'm not understanding how you determined I could not afford to build a LVL Home based on my desire to get an idea on what it would cost to have the LVL150 delivered to my home site.  I consider these type of inquiries crucial to limiting the number of cost overruns associated with building a home. While you had no way of knowing my age I assumed folks who joined this group are adults who are looking to purchase a home. For the record I'm a Half Century and One Decade young and well aware there are cost overruns associated with most business transactions. When I enter into any business transaction I attempt to determine prior to making a purchase if the transaction is worth the effort, my time or my money. This method has served me well over the years and allows me the opportunity to purchase a home.
                                           
                                          Now, pairing the figures you provided with the Kit(S) I want to order I came up with the following estimated cost minus the construction cost and the land. 
                                           
                                           
                                          KITS (2) LVL150  $90,000.00/ (1) Courtyard $6,000.00
                                          TRANSP.  (2) Trucks 3200miles total Round Trip x $4.00 per mile = $12,800.00
                                          MIDWEST SURCHARGE 35 PER CENT = $4,480.00  Grand total $123, 280.00.
                                           
                                          I'm interested in hearing opinions of my estimated cost.  In the interim I will be in contact with Ms.Romero's staff to determine if the figures are in the ballpark or out of the park. 
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                           8/3/08, darkuehl <darkuehl@...> wrote:
                                          From: darkuehl <darkuehl@...>
                                          Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                          To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:28 AM

                                          --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, Pat Rosend <prosend@... > wrote:
                                          >
                                          > If the transportation costs are going to bust your budget, you can't
                                          afford to build it. You will have cost overruns no matter what and it
                                          sounds like you will have no cushion whatsoever.
                                          >
                                          > You can figure about 4.00 per mile for transportation cost , per
                                          flat bed truck. The cost will change , due to fuel surcharge , which
                                          runs today about 35 per cent ,( of the freight bill ) in the Midwest.
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message ----
                                          > From: David <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                          > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                          > Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:43:35 AM
                                          > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                          > home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                          > description of the construction process very informative. My question
                                          > to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                          > cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport of
                                          > your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand the
                                          > transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think utilizing
                                          > your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                          > transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                          > Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                          > Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                          > make that determination.
                                          >
                                          > Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.
                                          >
                                          > PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                          > the tour of your Fabulous Home.
                                          >
                                          > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@ .> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                          > > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                          > > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                          > > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                          > > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                          > > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                          > way
                                          > > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                          > you
                                          > > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                          > > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                          > > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                          > > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                          > > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                          > > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                          > > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                          > if
                                          > > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                          > figure
                                          > > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                          > > the pieces and parts.
                                          > > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                          > is
                                          > > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                          > had
                                          > > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                          > > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                          > > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                          > material
                                          > > for the owner.
                                          > > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                          > > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                          > liability
                                          > > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                          > > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                          > > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                          > > for one, am happy she does.
                                          > > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                          > > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                          > > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                          > > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                          > > completely thrilled with mine.
                                          > > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                          > > wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                          > discovered
                                          > > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                          > skilled
                                          > > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                          > > the
                                          > > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                          > metal
                                          > > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                          > > aluminum
                                          > > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                          > > window
                                          > > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                          > coping
                                          > > for
                                          > > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                          > > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ >
                                          > > wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may
                                          > be
                                          > > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                          > > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                          > done
                                          > > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                          > than
                                          > > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                          > knowledge
                                          > > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                          > > particular,
                                          > > > metal workers for the siding)
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                          > > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                          > charlotte )
                                          > > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                          > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Hi,
                                          > > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                          > > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                                          > way
                                          > > > to save money while
                                          > > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                          > > > against.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                          > > fact
                                          > > > greatly 'over
                                          > > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                          > > > advising someone who has NO
                                          > > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                          > > someone
                                          > > > go ahead and open
                                          > > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                          > and
                                          > > > that it might be
                                          > > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                          > > > experiences involved in
                                          > > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                          > heartedly
                                          > > and
                                          > > > expect to save tons
                                          > > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                          > > extremely
                                          > > > stressful. There are
                                          > > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                          > not
                                          > > > carried a position that
                                          > > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                          > > > involved in the building
                                          > > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                          > > > that will look to
                                          > > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you
                                          > on
                                          > > > the areas that you
                                          > > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                          > > > long term trusted
                                          > > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                          > underestimate.
                                          > > > Take a good amount
                                          > > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                          > because
                                          > > > communication only
                                          > > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                          > have
                                          > > > any doubts then move
                                          > > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                          > costs
                                          > > you
                                          > > > some money and
                                          > > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                          > you
                                          > > and
                                          > > > your G.C. are not
                                          > > > > 'allies'.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                          > > than
                                          > > > a stick built and that
                                          > > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to
                                          > be
                                          > > > just as expensive as
                                          > > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                          > > any
                                          > > > bubbles, but in time we
                                          > > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                          > retain
                                          > > an
                                          > > > appeal due to its' place
                                          > > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                          > > > practical or cost saving method
                                          > > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                          > your
                                          > > > reasons for purchasing
                                          > > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                          > right
                                          > > > desicion for YOU.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                          > for
                                          > > you
                                          > > > as creating your
                                          > > > > own home ought to be.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Rachel
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                          > <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                          > > wrote:
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                          > > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in
                                          > NC
                                          > > > and I'm
                                          > > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                          > > NC .
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                          > and
                                          > > have
                                          > > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                          > > > > > >
                                          > > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                          > > > trying to
                                          > > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                          > > Simple
                                          > > > > > simple
                                          > > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                          > building
                                          > > a LVL
                                          > > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                          > hae
                                          > > set a
                                          > > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                          > two
                                          > > > years.
                                          > > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                          > > > building
                                          > > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                          > > transportation
                                          > > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                          > > > Missouri
                                          > > > > > to North Carolina.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                          > > found the
                                          > > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                          > > > discuss
                                          > > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                          > > > President and
                                          > > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                          > Home
                                          > > as
                                          > > > well
                                          > > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                          > highly
                                          > > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                          > > through
                                          > > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                          > > you.
                                          > > > Let
                                          > > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                          > > through the
                                          > > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                          > > than one
                                          > > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                          > > one unit
                                          > > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                          > solely
                                          > > on the
                                          > > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                          > > have
                                          > > > made
                                          > > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                          > construct
                                          > > my
                                          > > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan
                                          > to
                                          > > > build
                                          > > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                          > tour
                                          > > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me
                                          > to
                                          > > gain
                                          > > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                          > > surveyed
                                          > > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                          > > survey the
                                          > > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                          > > county.
                                          > > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                          > > > appraisal
                                          > > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                          > > $700.00.
                                          > > > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                          > page
                                          > > that
                                          > > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                          > > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                          > > > valuable
                                          > > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                          > sections
                                          > > that
                                          > > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                          > > information on
                                          > > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                          > > I'll
                                          > > > keep
                                          > > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                          > > resource,
                                          > > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                          > > construct a
                                          > > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          >


                                        • Dar Kuehl
                                          The Fuel sur charge is included in my estimate of 4.00 per mile.It will go down some now , as the price of fuel is dropping. ( this week ).It is very hard to
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                                            The Fuel sur charge is included in my estimate of 4.00 per mile.It will go down some now , as the price of fuel is dropping. ( this week ).It is very hard to pin down your transportation costs , due to the fuel , thats what I ment.  We only hold a price for a month , when you want a fixed cost. Areas of the country that do not have an active traffic lane , will always demand higher transport costs. Its sort of a supply and demand thing , these days. from the Midwest , Maine for example, is a hard place to get return loads , so , it will be higer in transport costs from the Midwest. NC is not ,( there are return loads ).  Just some examples.   Dar.

                                            --- On Sun, 8/3/08, David Richardson <lorecamiranda@...> wrote:
                                            From: David Richardson <lorecamiranda@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                            To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 3:28 PM

                                            To: Pat  Rosend
                                             
                                            Thanks for your quick response to my inquiry, however your answer left me a little confused. I'm not understanding how you determined I could not afford to build a LVL Home based on my desire to get an idea on what it would cost to have the LVL150 delivered to my home site.  I consider these type of inquiries crucial to limiting the number of cost overruns associated with building a home. While you had no way of knowing my age I assumed folks who joined this group are adults who are looking to purchase a home. For the record I'm a Half Century and One Decade young and well aware there are cost overruns associated with most business transactions. When I enter into any business transaction I attempt to determine prior to making a purchase if the transaction is worth the effort, my time or my money. This method has served me well over the years and allows me the opportunity to purchase a home.
                                             
                                            Now, pairing the figures you provided with the Kit(S) I want to order I came up with the following estimated cost minus the construction cost and the land. 
                                             
                                             
                                            KITS (2) LVL150  $90,000.00/ (1) Courtyard $6,000.00
                                            TRANSP.  (2) Trucks 3200miles total Round Trip x $4.00 per mile = $12,800.00
                                            MIDWEST SURCHARGE 35 PER CENT = $4,480.00  Grand total $123, 280.00.
                                             
                                            I'm interested in hearing opinions of my estimated cost.  In the interim I will be in contact with Ms.Romero's staff to determine if the figures are in the ballpark or out of the park. 
                                             
                                             
                                             
                                             8/3/08, darkuehl <darkuehl@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                            From: darkuehl <darkuehl@yahoo. com>
                                            Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                            To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                            Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 9:28 AM

                                            --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, Pat Rosend <prosend@... > wrote:
                                            >
                                            > If the transportation costs are going to bust your budget, you can't
                                            afford to build it. You will have cost overruns no matter what and it
                                            sounds like you will have no cushion whatsoever.
                                            >
                                            > You can figure about 4.00 per mile for transportation cost , per
                                            flat bed truck. The cost will change , due to fuel surcharge , which
                                            runs today about 35 per cent ,( of the freight bill ) in the Midwest.
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > From: David <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                            > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:43:35 AM
                                            > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                            > home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                            > description of the construction process very informative. My question
                                            > to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                            > cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport of
                                            > your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand the
                                            > transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think utilizing
                                            > your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                            > transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                            > Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                            > Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                            > make that determination.
                                            >
                                            > Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.
                                            >
                                            > PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                            > the tour of your Fabulous Home.
                                            >
                                            > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@ .> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                            > > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                            > > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                            > > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                            > > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                            > > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                            > way
                                            > > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                            > you
                                            > > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                            > > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                            > > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                            > > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                            > > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                            > > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                            > > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                            > if
                                            > > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                            > figure
                                            > > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                            > > the pieces and parts.
                                            > > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                            > is
                                            > > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                            > had
                                            > > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                            > > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                            > > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                            > material
                                            > > for the owner.
                                            > > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                            > > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                            > liability
                                            > > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                            > > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                            > > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                            > > for one, am happy she does.
                                            > > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                            > > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                            > > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                            > > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                            > > completely thrilled with mine.
                                            > > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                            > > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                            > discovered
                                            > > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                            > skilled
                                            > > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                            > > the
                                            > > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                            > metal
                                            > > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                            > > aluminum
                                            > > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                            > > window
                                            > > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                            > coping
                                            > > for
                                            > > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                            > > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ >
                                            > > wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may
                                            > be
                                            > > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                            > > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                            > done
                                            > > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                            > than
                                            > > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                            > knowledge
                                            > > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                            > > particular,
                                            > > > metal workers for the siding)
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                            > > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                            > charlotte )
                                            > > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                            > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Hi,
                                            > > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                            > > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                                            > way
                                            > > > to save money while
                                            > > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                            > > > against.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                            > > fact
                                            > > > greatly 'over
                                            > > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                            > > > advising someone who has NO
                                            > > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                            > > someone
                                            > > > go ahead and open
                                            > > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                            > and
                                            > > > that it might be
                                            > > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                            > > > experiences involved in
                                            > > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                            > heartedly
                                            > > and
                                            > > > expect to save tons
                                            > > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                            > > extremely
                                            > > > stressful. There are
                                            > > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                            > not
                                            > > > carried a position that
                                            > > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                            > > > involved in the building
                                            > > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                            > > > that will look to
                                            > > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you
                                            > on
                                            > > > the areas that you
                                            > > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                            > > > long term trusted
                                            > > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                            > underestimate.
                                            > > > Take a good amount
                                            > > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                            > because
                                            > > > communication only
                                            > > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                            > have
                                            > > > any doubts then move
                                            > > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                            > costs
                                            > > you
                                            > > > some money and
                                            > > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                            > you
                                            > > and
                                            > > > your G.C. are not
                                            > > > > 'allies'.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                            > > than
                                            > > > a stick built and that
                                            > > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to
                                            > be
                                            > > > just as expensive as
                                            > > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                            > > any
                                            > > > bubbles, but in time we
                                            > > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                            > retain
                                            > > an
                                            > > > appeal due to its' place
                                            > > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                            > > > practical or cost saving method
                                            > > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                            > your
                                            > > > reasons for purchasing
                                            > > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                            > right
                                            > > > desicion for YOU.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                            > for
                                            > > you
                                            > > > as creating your
                                            > > > > own home ought to be.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Rachel
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                            > <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                            > > wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                            > > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in
                                            > NC
                                            > > > and I'm
                                            > > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                            > > NC .
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                            > and
                                            > > have
                                            > > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                            > > > > > >
                                            > > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                            > > > trying to
                                            > > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                            > > Simple
                                            > > > > > simple
                                            > > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                            > building
                                            > > a LVL
                                            > > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                            > hae
                                            > > set a
                                            > > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                            > two
                                            > > > years.
                                            > > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                            > > > building
                                            > > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                            > > transportation
                                            > > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                            > > > Missouri
                                            > > > > > to North Carolina.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                            > > found the
                                            > > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                            > > > discuss
                                            > > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                            > > > President and
                                            > > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                            > Home
                                            > > as
                                            > > > well
                                            > > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                            > highly
                                            > > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                            > > through
                                            > > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                            > > you.
                                            > > > Let
                                            > > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                            > > through the
                                            > > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                            > > than one
                                            > > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                            > > one unit
                                            > > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                            > solely
                                            > > on the
                                            > > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                            > > have
                                            > > > made
                                            > > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                            > construct
                                            > > my
                                            > > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan
                                            > to
                                            > > > build
                                            > > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                            > tour
                                            > > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me
                                            > to
                                            > > gain
                                            > > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                            > > surveyed
                                            > > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                            > > survey the
                                            > > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                            > > county.
                                            > > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                            > > > appraisal
                                            > > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                            > > $700.00.
                                            > > > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                            > page
                                            > > that
                                            > > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                            > > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                            > > > valuable
                                            > > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                            > sections
                                            > > that
                                            > > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                            > > information on
                                            > > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                            > > I'll
                                            > > > keep
                                            > > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                            > > resource,
                                            > > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                            > > construct a
                                            > > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            >


                                          • jimmyhig
                                            The cost of shipping our home to Elot Maine was 3500.--- In ... question ... of ... the ... utilizing ... located ... this ... Rocio ... to ... The ... out ...
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                                              The cost of shipping our home to Elot Maine was 3500.--- In
                                              LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                              > home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                              > description of the construction process very informative. My
                                              question
                                              > to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                              > cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport
                                              of
                                              > your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand
                                              the
                                              > transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think
                                              utilizing
                                              > your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                              > transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                              > Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                              > Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                              > make that determination.
                                              >
                                              > Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.
                                              >
                                              > PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                              > the tour of your Fabulous Home.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is
                                              located
                                              > > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                              > > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built
                                              this
                                              > > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                              > > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                              > > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                              > way
                                              > > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                              > you
                                              > > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel
                                              Rocio
                                              > > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                              > > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                              > > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best
                                              to
                                              > > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                              > > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it.
                                              The
                                              > > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                              > if
                                              > > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                              > figure
                                              > > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort
                                              out
                                              > > the pieces and parts.
                                              > > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                              > is
                                              > > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                              > had
                                              > > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on
                                              my
                                              > > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a
                                              challenge
                                              > > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                              > material
                                              > > for the owner.
                                              > > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                              > > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                              > liability
                                              > > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                              > > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some
                                              areas
                                              > > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and
                                              I
                                              > > for one, am happy she does.
                                              > > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                              > > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                              > > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it
                                              through
                                              > > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I
                                              am
                                              > > completely thrilled with mine.
                                              > > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                              > discovered
                                              > > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                              > skilled
                                              > > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience,
                                              but
                                              > > the
                                              > > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                              > metal
                                              > > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                              > > aluminum
                                              > > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                              > > window
                                              > > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                              > coping
                                              > > for
                                              > > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                              > > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@>
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV
                                              may
                                              > be
                                              > > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs,
                                              which
                                              > > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                              > done
                                              > > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                              > than
                                              > > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                              > knowledge
                                              > > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                              > > particular,
                                              > > > metal workers for the siding)
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                              > > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                              > charlotte )
                                              > > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Hi,
                                              > > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own
                                              General
                                              > > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as
                                              a
                                              > way
                                              > > > to save money while
                                              > > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly
                                              caution
                                              > > > against.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is
                                              in
                                              > > fact
                                              > > > greatly 'over
                                              > > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                              > > > advising someone who has NO
                                              > > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                              > > someone
                                              > > > go ahead and open
                                              > > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                              > and
                                              > > > that it might be
                                              > > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                              > > > experiences involved in
                                              > > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                              > heartedly
                                              > > and
                                              > > > expect to save tons
                                              > > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                              > > extremely
                                              > > > stressful. There are
                                              > > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                              > not
                                              > > > carried a position that
                                              > > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                              > > > involved in the building
                                              > > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your
                                              area
                                              > > > that will look to
                                              > > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise
                                              you
                                              > on
                                              > > > the areas that you
                                              > > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have
                                              created a
                                              > > > long term trusted
                                              > > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                              > underestimate.
                                              > > > Take a good amount
                                              > > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                              > because
                                              > > > communication only
                                              > > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                              > have
                                              > > > any doubts then move
                                              > > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                              > costs
                                              > > you
                                              > > > some money and
                                              > > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                              > you
                                              > > and
                                              > > > your G.C. are not
                                              > > > > 'allies'.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any
                                              less
                                              > > than
                                              > > > a stick built and that
                                              > > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes
                                              to
                                              > be
                                              > > > just as expensive as
                                              > > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to
                                              burst
                                              > > any
                                              > > > bubbles, but in time we
                                              > > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                              > retain
                                              > > an
                                              > > > appeal due to its' place
                                              > > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                              > > > practical or cost saving method
                                              > > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                              > your
                                              > > > reasons for purchasing
                                              > > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                              > right
                                              > > > desicion for YOU.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                              > for
                                              > > you
                                              > > > as creating your
                                              > > > > own home ought to be.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Rachel
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                              > <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                              > > wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                              > > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here
                                              in
                                              > NC
                                              > > > and I'm
                                              > > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state
                                              of
                                              > > NC .
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                              > and
                                              > > have
                                              > > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We
                                              are
                                              > > > trying to
                                              > > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                              > > Simple
                                              > > > > > simple
                                              > > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                              > building
                                              > > a LVL
                                              > > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                              > hae
                                              > > set a
                                              > > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                              > two
                                              > > > years.
                                              > > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability
                                              of
                                              > > > building
                                              > > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                              > > transportation
                                              > > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered
                                              from
                                              > > > Missouri
                                              > > > > > to North Carolina.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                              > > found the
                                              > > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity
                                              to
                                              > > > discuss
                                              > > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                              > > > President and
                                              > > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                              > Home
                                              > > as
                                              > > > well
                                              > > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                              > highly
                                              > > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like
                                              walking
                                              > > through
                                              > > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work
                                              for
                                              > > you.
                                              > > > Let
                                              > > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                              > > through the
                                              > > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                              > > than one
                                              > > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more
                                              than
                                              > > one unit
                                              > > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                              > solely
                                              > > on the
                                              > > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I
                                              would
                                              > > have
                                              > > > made
                                              > > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                              > construct
                                              > > my
                                              > > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a
                                              loan
                                              > to
                                              > > > build
                                              > > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                              > tour
                                              > > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed
                                              me
                                              > to
                                              > > gain
                                              > > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we
                                              had
                                              > > surveyed
                                              > > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                              > > survey the
                                              > > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with
                                              the
                                              > > county.
                                              > > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled
                                              for
                                              > > > appraisal
                                              > > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another
                                              $650-
                                              > > $700.00.
                                              > > > > > and take another two months before we receive their
                                              findings.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                              > page
                                              > > that
                                              > > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are
                                              not
                                              > > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There
                                              is
                                              > > > valuable
                                              > > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                              > sections
                                              > > that
                                              > > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                              > > information on
                                              > > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you
                                              and
                                              > > I'll
                                              > > > keep
                                              > > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                              > > resource,
                                              > > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                              > > construct a
                                              > > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              >
                                            • gregg schultz
                                              I think we paid about 3500 to Sperryville VA, three years ago. ... From: jimmyhig Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC To:
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Aug 12 11:46 AM
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                                                I think we paid about 3500 to Sperryville VA, three years ago.

                                                --- On Tue, 8/12/08, jimmyhig <jimmyhig@...> wrote:
                                                From: jimmyhig <jimmyhig@...>
                                                Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                                To: LVHomeFans@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 1:31 PM

                                                The cost of shipping our home to Elot Maine was 3500.--- In
                                                LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@ ...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                                > home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                                > description of the construction process very informative. My
                                                question
                                                > to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                                > cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport
                                                of
                                                > your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand
                                                the
                                                > transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think
                                                utilizing
                                                > your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                                > transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                                > Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                                > Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                                > make that determination.
                                                >
                                                > Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.
                                                >
                                                > PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                                > the tour of your Fabulous Home.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is
                                                located
                                                > > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                                > > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built
                                                this
                                                > > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                                > > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                                > > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                                > way
                                                > > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                                > you
                                                > > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel
                                                Rocio
                                                > > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                                > > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                                > > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best
                                                to
                                                > > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                                > > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it.
                                                The
                                                > > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                                > if
                                                > > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                                > figure
                                                > > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort
                                                out
                                                > > the pieces and parts.
                                                > > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                                > is
                                                > > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                                > had
                                                > > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on
                                                my
                                                > > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a
                                                challenge
                                                > > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                                > material
                                                > > for the owner.
                                                > > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                                > > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                                > liability
                                                > > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                                > > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some
                                                areas
                                                > > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and
                                                I
                                                > > for one, am happy she does.
                                                > > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                                > > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                                > > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it
                                                through
                                                > > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I
                                                am
                                                > > completely thrilled with mine.
                                                > > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                                > > wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                                > discovered
                                                > > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                                > skilled
                                                > > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience,
                                                but
                                                > > the
                                                > > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                                > metal
                                                > > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                                > > aluminum
                                                > > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                                > > window
                                                > > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                                > coping
                                                > > for
                                                > > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                                > > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ >
                                                > > wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV
                                                may
                                                > be
                                                > > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs,
                                                which
                                                > > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                                > done
                                                > > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                                > than
                                                > > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                                > knowledge
                                                > > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                                > > particular,
                                                > > > metal workers for the siding)
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                                > > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                                > charlotte )
                                                > > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                                > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Hi,
                                                > > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own
                                                General
                                                > > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as
                                                a
                                                > way
                                                > > > to save money while
                                                > > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly
                                                caution
                                                > > > against.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is
                                                in
                                                > > fact
                                                > > > greatly 'over
                                                > > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                                > > > advising someone who has NO
                                                > > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                                > > someone
                                                > > > go ahead and open
                                                > > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                                > and
                                                > > > that it might be
                                                > > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                                > > > experiences involved in
                                                > > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                                > heartedly
                                                > > and
                                                > > > expect to save tons
                                                > > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                                > > extremely
                                                > > > stressful. There are
                                                > > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                                > not
                                                > > > carried a position that
                                                > > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                                > > > involved in the building
                                                > > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your
                                                area
                                                > > > that will look to
                                                > > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise
                                                you
                                                > on
                                                > > > the areas that you
                                                > > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have
                                                created a
                                                > > > long term trusted
                                                > > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                                > underestimate.
                                                > > > Take a good amount
                                                > > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                                > because
                                                > > > communication only
                                                > > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                                > have
                                                > > > any doubts then move
                                                > > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                                > costs
                                                > > you
                                                > > > some money and
                                                > > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                                > you
                                                > > and
                                                > > > your G.C. are not
                                                > > > > 'allies'.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any
                                                less
                                                > > than
                                                > > > a stick built and that
                                                > > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes
                                                to
                                                > be
                                                > > > just as expensive as
                                                > > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to
                                                burst
                                                > > any
                                                > > > bubbles, but in time we
                                                > > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                                > retain
                                                > > an
                                                > > > appeal due to its' place
                                                > > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                                > > > practical or cost saving method
                                                > > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                                > your
                                                > > > reasons for purchasing
                                                > > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                                > right
                                                > > > desicion for YOU.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                                > for
                                                > > you
                                                > > > as creating your
                                                > > > > own home ought to be.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Rachel
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                                > <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                                > > wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                                > > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here
                                                in
                                                > NC
                                                > > > and I'm
                                                > > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state
                                                of
                                                > > NC .
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                                > and
                                                > > have
                                                > > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We
                                                are
                                                > > > trying to
                                                > > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                                > > Simple
                                                > > > > > simple
                                                > > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                                > building
                                                > > a LVL
                                                > > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                                > hae
                                                > > set a
                                                > > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                                > two
                                                > > > years.
                                                > > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability
                                                of
                                                > > > building
                                                > > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                                > > transportation
                                                > > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered
                                                from
                                                > > > Missouri
                                                > > > > > to North Carolina.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                                > > found the
                                                > > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity
                                                to
                                                > > > discuss
                                                > > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                                > > > President and
                                                > > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                                > Home
                                                > > as
                                                > > > well
                                                > > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                                > highly
                                                > > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like
                                                walking
                                                > > through
                                                > > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work
                                                for
                                                > > you.
                                                > > > Let
                                                > > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                                > > through the
                                                > > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                                > > than one
                                                > > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more
                                                than
                                                > > one unit
                                                > > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                                > solely
                                                > > on the
                                                > > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I
                                                would
                                                > > have
                                                > > > made
                                                > > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                                > construct
                                                > > my
                                                > > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a
                                                loan
                                                > to
                                                > > > build
                                                > > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                                > tour
                                                > > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed
                                                me
                                                > to
                                                > > gain
                                                > > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we
                                                had
                                                > > surveyed
                                                > > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                                > > survey the
                                                > > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with
                                                the
                                                > > county.
                                                > > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled
                                                for
                                                > > > appraisal
                                                > > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another
                                                $650-
                                                > > $700.00.
                                                > > > > > and take another two months before we receive their
                                                findings.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                                > page
                                                > > that
                                                > > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are
                                                not
                                                > > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There
                                                is
                                                > > > valuable
                                                > > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                                > sections
                                                > > that
                                                > > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                                > > information on
                                                > > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you
                                                and
                                                > > I'll
                                                > > > keep
                                                > > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                                > > resource,
                                                > > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                                > > construct a
                                                > > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                >

                                              • Steve Rapport
                                                I spoke to Donna at RR a couple of weeks ago and she said the current price was $4.00 per mile. Use Google Maps to find the distance and you re good to go.
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                                                  I spoke to Donna at RR a couple of weeks ago and she said the current price was $4.00 per mile. Use Google Maps to find the distance and you're good to go.
                                                  Gonna cost me $8500 to get the kit to SF!!!

                                                  On Aug 12, 2008, at 11:46 AM, gregg schultz wrote:


                                                  I think we paid about 3500 to Sperryville VA, three years ago.

                                                  --- On Tue, 8/12/08, jimmyhig <jimmyhig@yahoo. com> wrote:
                                                  From: jimmyhig <jimmyhig@yahoo. com>
                                                  Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Acting as your own GC
                                                  To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 1:31 PM

                                                  The cost of shipping our home to Elot Maine was 3500.--- In 
                                                  LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" <lorecamiranda@ ...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > 
                                                  > To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your 
                                                  > home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed 
                                                  > description of the construction process very informative. My 
                                                  question 
                                                  > to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your 
                                                  > cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport 
                                                  of 
                                                  > your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand 
                                                  the 
                                                  > transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think 
                                                  utilizing 
                                                  > your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the 
                                                  > transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North 
                                                  > Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL 
                                                  > Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to 
                                                  > make that determination.
                                                  > 
                                                  > Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.
                                                  > 
                                                  > PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during 
                                                  > the tour of your Fabulous Home. 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > 
                                                  > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is 
                                                  located 
                                                  > > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel 
                                                  > > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built 
                                                  this 
                                                  > > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The 
                                                  > > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                                  > > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective 
                                                  > way 
                                                  > > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if 
                                                  > you 
                                                  > > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel 
                                                  Rocio 
                                                  > > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                                  > > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated 
                                                  > > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best 
                                                  to 
                                                  > > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is 
                                                  > > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. 
                                                  The 
                                                  > > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that 
                                                  > if 
                                                  > > you do have some construction experience you should be able to 
                                                  > figure 
                                                  > > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort 
                                                  out 
                                                  > > the pieces and parts.
                                                  > > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care 
                                                  > is 
                                                  > > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor 
                                                  > had 
                                                  > > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on 
                                                  my 
                                                  > > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a 
                                                  challenge 
                                                  > > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the 
                                                  > material 
                                                  > > for the owner.
                                                  > > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You 
                                                  > > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge 
                                                  > liability 
                                                  > > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country. 
                                                  > > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some 
                                                  areas 
                                                  > > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and 
                                                  I 
                                                  > > for one, am happy she does.
                                                  > > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and 
                                                  > > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with 
                                                  > > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it 
                                                  through 
                                                  > > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I 
                                                  am 
                                                  > > completely thrilled with mine.
                                                  > > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@> 
                                                  > > wrote:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We 
                                                  > discovered
                                                  > > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a 
                                                  > skilled
                                                  > > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, 
                                                  but 
                                                  > > the
                                                  > > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a 
                                                  > metal
                                                  > > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and 
                                                  > > aluminum
                                                  > > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior 
                                                  > > window
                                                  > > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the 
                                                  > coping 
                                                  > > for
                                                  > > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                                  > > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                                  > > > 
                                                  > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ > 
                                                  > > wrote:
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV 
                                                  may 
                                                  > be
                                                  > > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, 
                                                  which
                                                  > > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have 
                                                  > done
                                                  > > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly 
                                                  > than
                                                  > > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though 
                                                  > knowledge
                                                  > > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in 
                                                  > > particular,
                                                  > > > metal workers for the siding)
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                                  > > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina ( 
                                                  > charlotte )
                                                  > > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                                  > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > Hi,
                                                  > > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own 
                                                  General
                                                  > > > Contractor (G.C.) advice. 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as 
                                                  a 
                                                  > way
                                                  > > > to save money while 
                                                  > > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly 
                                                  caution
                                                  > > > against.
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is 
                                                  in 
                                                  > > fact
                                                  > > > greatly 'over 
                                                  > > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                                  > > > advising someone who has NO 
                                                  > > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting 
                                                  > > someone
                                                  > > > go ahead and open 
                                                  > > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home 
                                                  > and
                                                  > > > that it might be 
                                                  > > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                                  > > > experiences involved in 
                                                  > > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool 
                                                  > heartedly 
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > expect to save tons 
                                                  > > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and 
                                                  > > extremely
                                                  > > > stressful. There are 
                                                  > > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn. 
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have 
                                                  > not
                                                  > > > carried a position that 
                                                  > > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                                  > > > involved in the building 
                                                  > > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your 
                                                  area
                                                  > > > that will look to 
                                                  > > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise 
                                                  you 
                                                  > on
                                                  > > > the areas that you 
                                                  > > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have 
                                                  created a
                                                  > > > long term trusted 
                                                  > > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us 
                                                  > underestimate.
                                                  > > > Take a good amount 
                                                  > > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts 
                                                  > because
                                                  > > > communication only 
                                                  > > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you 
                                                  > have
                                                  > > > any doubts then move 
                                                  > > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting 
                                                  > costs 
                                                  > > you
                                                  > > > some money and 
                                                  > > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if 
                                                  > you 
                                                  > > and
                                                  > > > your G.C. are not 
                                                  > > > > 'allies'.
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any 
                                                  less 
                                                  > > than
                                                  > > > a stick built and that 
                                                  > > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes 
                                                  to 
                                                  > be
                                                  > > > just as expensive as 
                                                  > > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to 
                                                  burst 
                                                  > > any
                                                  > > > bubbles, but in time we 
                                                  > > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely 
                                                  > retain 
                                                  > > an
                                                  > > > appeal due to its' place 
                                                  > > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                                  > > > practical or cost saving method 
                                                  > > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know 
                                                  > your
                                                  > > > reasons for purchasing 
                                                  > > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the 
                                                  > right
                                                  > > > desicion for YOU.
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure 
                                                  > for 
                                                  > > you
                                                  > > > as creating your 
                                                  > > > > own home ought to be.
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > Rachel
                                                  > > > > 
                                                  > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David" 
                                                  > <lorecamiranda@ ...> 
                                                  > > wrote:
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner" 
                                                  > > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here 
                                                  in 
                                                  > NC
                                                  > > > and I'm 
                                                  > > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state 
                                                  of 
                                                  > > NC . 
                                                  > > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design 
                                                  > and 
                                                  > > have 
                                                  > > > > > > always wanted to build . 
                                                  > > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We 
                                                  are
                                                  > > > trying to 
                                                  > > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit. 
                                                  > > Simple 
                                                  > > > > > simple 
                                                  > > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering 
                                                  > building 
                                                  > > a LVL 
                                                  > > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We 
                                                  > hae 
                                                  > > set a 
                                                  > > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next 
                                                  > two
                                                  > > > years. 
                                                  > > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability 
                                                  of
                                                  > > > building 
                                                  > > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the 
                                                  > > transportation 
                                                  > > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered 
                                                  from
                                                  > > > Missouri 
                                                  > > > > > to North Carolina.
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I 
                                                  > > found the 
                                                  > > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity 
                                                  to
                                                  > > > discuss 
                                                  > > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                                  > > > President and 
                                                  > > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL 
                                                  > Home 
                                                  > > as
                                                  > > > well 
                                                  > > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I 
                                                  > highly 
                                                  > > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like 
                                                  walking 
                                                  > > through 
                                                  > > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work 
                                                  for 
                                                  > > you.
                                                  > > > Let 
                                                  > > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk 
                                                  > > through the 
                                                  > > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more 
                                                  > > than one 
                                                  > > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more 
                                                  than 
                                                  > > one unit 
                                                  > > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase 
                                                  > solely 
                                                  > > on the 
                                                  > > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I 
                                                  would 
                                                  > > have
                                                  > > > made 
                                                  > > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should 
                                                  > construct 
                                                  > > my 
                                                  > > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a 
                                                  loan 
                                                  > to
                                                  > > > build 
                                                  > > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other 
                                                  > tour 
                                                  > > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed 
                                                  me 
                                                  > to 
                                                  > > gain 
                                                  > > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we 
                                                  had 
                                                  > > surveyed 
                                                  > > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the 
                                                  > > survey the 
                                                  > > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with 
                                                  the 
                                                  > > county. 
                                                  > > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled 
                                                  for
                                                  > > > appraisal 
                                                  > > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another 
                                                  $650-
                                                  > > $700.00. 
                                                  > > > > > and take another two months before we receive their 
                                                  findings.
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the 
                                                  > page 
                                                  > > that 
                                                  > > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are 
                                                  not 
                                                  > > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There 
                                                  is
                                                  > > > valuable 
                                                  > > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the 
                                                  > sections 
                                                  > > that 
                                                  > > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable 
                                                  > > information on 
                                                  > > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you 
                                                  and 
                                                  > > I'll
                                                  > > > keep 
                                                  > > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                                  > > > > > 
                                                  > > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable 
                                                  > > resource, 
                                                  > > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to 
                                                  > > construct a 
                                                  > > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > >
                                                  >



                                                • Steve Rapport
                                                  Use Google Maps to find the distance to your lot from Perryville, Missouri. Then allow $4.00 per mile. - Steve Steve Rapport steverapport@mac.com 415.235.7556
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                                                    Use Google Maps to find the distance to your lot from Perryville, Missouri. Then allow $4.00 per mile.

                                                    - Steve

                                                    Steve Rapport
                                                    415.235.7556

                                                    On Aug 3, 2008, at 3:43 AM, David wrote:


                                                    To: JImmyhig: I had the opportunity of taking the tour of your
                                                    home located in Eliot Maine. I found your contractor's detailed
                                                    description of the construction process very informative. My question
                                                    to you centers around transportation cost. During my review of your
                                                    cost sheet I could not find the cost associated with the transport of
                                                    your kit from Perryville, MO. to Eliot Maine. While I understand the
                                                    transportation cost will vary from State to State, I think utilizing
                                                    your transportation cost will allow me to roughly guesstimate the
                                                    transport cost of my kit from Perryville Mo. to Wake County North
                                                    Carolina. I'm currently trying to determine if I can afford my LVL
                                                    Home,and transportation cost will play a key role in helping me to
                                                    make that determination.

                                                    Your assistance in this matter will be appreciated.

                                                    PS: Thanks for the warm hospitiality and patience you shared during
                                                    the tour of your Fabulous Home.

                                                    --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "jimmyhig" <jimmyhig@.. .> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > I have to say that purchasing and building my LVL, which is located
                                                    > in Eliot Maine, was a very positive experence. I know, and feel
                                                    > strongly, that if I had designed (I'm an architect) and built this
                                                    > home from scratch it would have cost substantially more. The
                                                    > prefabicated metal exterior panels are a huge savings alone.
                                                    > If you purchase a modular or prefab home the most cost effective
                                                    way
                                                    > is to buy a standard model. No mater where you buy your home, if
                                                    you
                                                    > customize it, it will cost you more. As an architect, I feel Rocio
                                                    > is more then very fair in her pricing for customizations.
                                                    > People have to understand that building a home is a complicated
                                                    > undertaking and if you are not versed in constrution it is best to
                                                    > leave building the home to a trustworthy contractor. The home is
                                                    > unigue and so is it's construction, that's why we all love it. The
                                                    > construction documents and labling of parts is done in a way that
                                                    if
                                                    > you do have some construction experience you should be able to
                                                    figure
                                                    > it out if you take the time to digest the information and sort out
                                                    > the pieces and parts.
                                                    > The exterior metal cladding is unique, and being so, special care
                                                    is
                                                    > need in installing it. I was lucky in that my roofing contractor
                                                    had
                                                    > a guy who specialized in sheet metal work and did a great job on my
                                                    > house. Rocio knows that the metal work on the house is a challenge
                                                    > and has pulled together a team of folks who can install the
                                                    material
                                                    > for the owner.
                                                    > As far as the home being over built, that's not a bad thing. You
                                                    > must understand that Rocio, being an architect, has a huge
                                                    liability
                                                    > in designing a home that can be built anywhere in this country.
                                                    > Certain brackets and supports may seem like overkill for some areas
                                                    > of the country but are necessay in others, she plays it safe, and I
                                                    > for one, am happy she does.
                                                    > Building a home is a challenge for your time, mind, wallet and
                                                    > relationships, but I'm sure if you invest the time and work with
                                                    > Rocio's team and a trustworthy contractor you will make it through
                                                    > the process and in the end be very, very happy with you home, I am
                                                    > completely thrilled with mine.
                                                    > Jim Higgins--- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "Ethan" <sfh33@>
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I second (or third) the remark about the metal siding. We
                                                    discovered
                                                    > > this was the most difficult step in the project--requiring a
                                                    skilled
                                                    > > team. We started with a roofer with metal roofing experience, but
                                                    > the
                                                    > > siding proved too much for him. We finally found a crew from a
                                                    metal
                                                    > > fabricating shop that also made several custom stainless and
                                                    > aluminum
                                                    > > finish elements for us, such as sinks, deck posts, and interior
                                                    > window
                                                    > > trim. This resource also came in handy when we realized the
                                                    coping
                                                    > for
                                                    > > the parapet cap was about a 1/2" out of spec (too narrow) and we
                                                    > > needed to refab these pieces locally.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, gregg schultz <theschultzy@ >
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > I would have to agree that acting as your own GC on the LV may
                                                    be
                                                    > > difficult. I have done many major renovations and gut jobs, which
                                                    > > were challengenging but manageable. I don't think I could have
                                                    done
                                                    > > the LV, and if I had, the mistakes would have been more costly
                                                    than
                                                    > > the savings. This was a complicated home to build, though
                                                    knowledge
                                                    > > of local resources for skilled labor would help a lot (in
                                                    > particular,
                                                    > > metal workers for the siding)
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, massagenbpt <lagavulin@> wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > From: massagenbpt <lagavulin@>
                                                    > > > Subject: [LVHomeFans] Re: Lake Norman North Carolina (
                                                    charlotte )
                                                    > > > To: LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com
                                                    > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:00 PM
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Hi,
                                                    > > > I just have to reply about the being/acting as your own General
                                                    > > Contractor (G.C.) advice.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > I've heard it mentioned and even suggested here to people as a
                                                    way
                                                    > > to save money while
                                                    > > > building these homes and it is something I would greatly caution
                                                    > > against.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > This home is more complicated to build then it seems and is in
                                                    > fact
                                                    > > greatly 'over
                                                    > > > built/engineered' which leads to its' own issues. But simply
                                                    > > advising someone who has NO
                                                    > > > building experience to be their own G.C. is like suggesting
                                                    > someone
                                                    > > go ahead and open
                                                    > > > their own restaurant simply because they like cooking at home
                                                    and
                                                    > > that it might be
                                                    > > > cheaper. There are many pitfalls as well as wonderful learning
                                                    > > experiences involved in
                                                    > > > building and G.C.ing but not something to go into fool
                                                    heartedly
                                                    > and
                                                    > > expect to save tons
                                                    > > > of money; the mistakes can be very costly in may ways and
                                                    > extremely
                                                    > > stressful. There are
                                                    > > > many good reasons why a good G.C. earns what they earn.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > At best, if you have little to no building experience or have
                                                    not
                                                    > > carried a position that
                                                    > > > entails organizing several groups, but would still like to be
                                                    > > involved in the building
                                                    > > > process, I would recommend finding a wonderful G.C. in your area
                                                    > > that will look to
                                                    > > > become your partner in this unique project. They can advise you
                                                    on
                                                    > > the areas that you
                                                    > > > choose to work on and bring in the pros that they have created a
                                                    > > long term trusted
                                                    > > > relationship with to handle much of what many of us
                                                    underestimate.
                                                    > > Take a good amount
                                                    > > > of time finding this professional and trust your instincts
                                                    because
                                                    > > communication only
                                                    > > > becomes more important as you get into the project and if you
                                                    have
                                                    > > any doubts then move
                                                    > > > on or wait until you find the right match. Even if waiting
                                                    costs
                                                    > you
                                                    > > some money and
                                                    > > > patience it will be nothing compared to what can be spent if
                                                    you
                                                    > and
                                                    > > your G.C. are not
                                                    > > > 'allies'.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Also, we found that costs on building the LV to not be any less
                                                    > than
                                                    > > a stick built and that
                                                    > > > the design costs for initial designs and any further changes to
                                                    be
                                                    > > just as expensive as
                                                    > > > beginning with an architect from scratch. I don't look to burst
                                                    > any
                                                    > > bubbles, but in time we
                                                    > > > have realized that we are building a home that will likely
                                                    retain
                                                    > an
                                                    > > appeal due to its' place
                                                    > > > in modern architecture' s storied history, but is not really a
                                                    > > practical or cost saving method
                                                    > > > of building as it is sold to be. Just be sure you really know
                                                    your
                                                    > > reasons for purchasing
                                                    > > > this home/idea/moment in modern design and you will make the
                                                    right
                                                    > > desicion for YOU.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Whatever you choose I hope it becomes a very happy adventure
                                                    for
                                                    > you
                                                    > > as creating your
                                                    > > > own home ought to be.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Rachel
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "David"
                                                    <lorecamiranda@ ...>
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > --- In LVHomeFans@yahoogro ups.com, "gallowaywarner"
                                                    > > > > <gallowaywarner@ > wrote:
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > My wfie and I are considering to build an LVL home here in
                                                    NC
                                                    > > and I'm
                                                    > > > > > wondering if anyone has had any experience in the state of
                                                    > NC .
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > We don't have much experience however we love the design
                                                    and
                                                    > have
                                                    > > > > > always wanted to build .
                                                    > > > > >
                                                    > > > > > Any sugestions at all for a first time home builder. We are
                                                    > > trying to
                                                    > > > > > keep the cost down and not wind up being in a money pit.
                                                    > Simple
                                                    > > > > simple
                                                    > > > > > simple is what we are hoping for .
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Good Afternoon: My life partner and I are considering
                                                    building
                                                    > a LVL
                                                    > > > > Home in Apex North Carolina which is outside of Raliegh. We
                                                    hae
                                                    > set a
                                                    > > > > target date for possibly building our Home withiin the next
                                                    two
                                                    > > years.
                                                    > > > > We are in the infant phase of determining the affordability of
                                                    > > building
                                                    > > > > our LVL home. One of our concerns center around the
                                                    > transportation
                                                    > > > > cost associated with having the home package(s) delivered from
                                                    > > Missouri
                                                    > > > > to North Carolina.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > Last month I took the LVL Home Tour held in Eliot Maine. I
                                                    > found the
                                                    > > > > tour to be very informative. I was afforded the opportunity to
                                                    > > discuss
                                                    > > > > the feasibility of my construction plans with the Company
                                                    > > President and
                                                    > > > > Home Designer Ms. Romero, the owner of the Eliot Maine LVL
                                                    Home
                                                    > as
                                                    > > well
                                                    > > > > as the contractors who constructed the LVL Home.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > If you have the opportunity to attend one of the tours I
                                                    highly
                                                    > > > > recommend that you participate. There is nothing like walking
                                                    > through
                                                    > > > > the space and getting a feel for how this space will work for
                                                    > you.
                                                    > > Let
                                                    > > > > me give you some examples. The fact I actually could walk
                                                    > through the
                                                    > > > > space helped me to determine my lifestyle will require more
                                                    > than one
                                                    > > > > unit. Will I be able to afford the construction of more than
                                                    > one unit
                                                    > > > > remains the unknown. Had I made my decision to purchase
                                                    solely
                                                    > on the
                                                    > > > > informative Romero Website and the wonderful pictures I would
                                                    > have
                                                    > > made
                                                    > > > > a costly mistake. Now I have to determine if I should
                                                    construct
                                                    > my
                                                    > > > > home in phases or is it more cost effective to acquire a loan
                                                    to
                                                    > > build
                                                    > > > > my home in one phase. Further my conversations with other
                                                    tour
                                                    > > > > participants who I discovered had simiiliar ideas allowed me
                                                    to
                                                    > gain
                                                    > > > > some alternative approaches to my ideas.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > My life partner was recently gifted family land which we had
                                                    > surveyed
                                                    > > > > May 2008. This process cost approximately $700.00 for the
                                                    > survey the
                                                    > > > > preparation of drawing ,and the filing of documents with the
                                                    > county.
                                                    > > > > Two days ago the county notified us the land is scheduled for
                                                    > > appraisal
                                                    > > > > next week. We anticipate this process will cost another $650-
                                                    > $700.00.
                                                    > > > > and take another two months before we receive their findings.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > I recommend that you go to The Romero Website look for the
                                                    page
                                                    > that
                                                    > > > > list the Testimonies. Read each one even if the homes are not
                                                    > > > > configured in the manner you plan to build your home. There is
                                                    > > valuable
                                                    > > > > information within each testimony. Be sure to read the
                                                    sections
                                                    > that
                                                    > > > > cover the construction ledgers they provide valuable
                                                    > information on
                                                    > > > > cost associated with constructing the Homes.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > I hope this information will be of some assistance to you and
                                                    > I'll
                                                    > > keep
                                                    > > > > you posted on my progress.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > > > PS: I failed to mention this LVHomeFansGroup is a valuable
                                                    > resource,
                                                    > > > > providing a wealth of valuable information in my quest to
                                                    > construct a
                                                    > > > > LVL Home and a sounding board for addressing my concerns.
                                                    > > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > >
                                                    >


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