28601Re: Help choosing the right Linux Distro
- Dec 2 5:23 AMThe standard application manager for Kubuntu is KPackageKit, which I abor.
As for RPM, please someone correct me if I'm wrong--but last I heard the RPM resource database kept on your system lacks sufficient discrimination when it comes to required dependencies--that was originally a major reason it was to be completely rewritten. Has this been done?
Regardless of the front end used, if installing a new app creates dependency issues for ones already installed, that would seem a very bad idea...and before I went to Debian-based distros, that happened to me more than once on both SuSE and Red Hat. Has this been fixed?
--- In LINUX_Newbies@yahoogroups.com, Scott <scottro@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 08:25:58AM -0500, Roy wrote:
> > I agree about yum being much improved and on par with apt. The biggest
> > problem with rpm distros is there is no uniformity. SuSE uses Yast/ Zypper,
> > Fedora uses Smart and Yum, RedHat uses up2date, Mandriva uses urpmi, but
> > last I heard they were switching to something else. To confuse things
> > further PCLOS uses apt-rpm and Synaptic. Whereas all Debian distros use apt
> > and dpkg. The commands are the same across all Debian based distros. That
> > makes rpm harder to get to like and learn.
> Smart isn't the default, and one has to go to some effort to set it up.
> RedHat, and its clones, Oracle, CentOS, Scientific, and of course,
> Fedora, which is no longer a clone, use yum.
> I haven't used the others in awhile--I do know that their packages
> aren't usually compatible with each other, and I don't know how
> difference the uses of yum are between them.
> > I will add to that my recent experience with F14. I had several package
> > managers installed, Packagekit, Yumex, Smart and Add /Remove and I could not
> > get all of them to work from the same database. I would update in Yumex and
> > then Packagekit would say it could not find the database and update which I
> > had done just seconds before in Yumex. So I would rebuild the database but
> > it would still only work in Packagekit and another one would break. At no
> > point could I get all four to work. Not only that it would update the
> > package list twice, before I installed an application and afterwards, before
> > I had a chance to quit Yumex. It seems very touchy and antiquated to my
> > thinking.
> Yumex has, unfortunately, become almost defunct in favor of packagekit.
> Packagekit, may, one day, be something good, at present, its developers
> have done things such as allow all installs and updates with no
> authentication---this slipped by people because the majority use command
> line and also because, in testing, packages are unsigned and it only
> applied to signed packages. After this made the front page of slashdot,
> they changed it, but he left it so that upgrading required no password,
> which made it into RH beta. I think it was Jeff's mocking this to his
> friend at RH that got it fixed.
> > Presto seems like a good idea, but it does not save any time because it
> > spends much time calculating changes and testing them when it could be
> > installing. It does save bandwidth if that is important to you.
> True, it doesn't save time, due to the rebuild, however, bandwidth is
> the aim, I believe. On the other hand, these days, if you're on
> limited bandwidth or dialup, not sure if Fedora would be the distro with
> its frequently upgrades.
> I use it because for the majority of us in the IT industry, the jobs are
> RH based, and at my age, will probably stay that way till I retired.
> Your assessment doesn' sound overly harsh to me.
> > The advantage of Debian over RPM used to be stability, but as mentioned RPM
> > is stable now. The advantage now is that Debian is more uniform and simpler
> > to use. It also has far more packages because Debian maintains such huge
> > repos. The best RPM distro in my experience has roughly half the number of
> > packages that Ubuntu has.
> If one combines rpmforge and a few other 3rd party ones, I'm not sure.
> RedHat itself, aimed at the enterprise, has relatively few, even when
> compared to Fedora.
> > When there is so much talk about having one package manager to rule them
> > all, it seems that RPM must first get its act together and agree on some
> > standards before they could hope to present RPM as a viable alternative to
> > DEB.
> I think the eventual aim of PackageKit is to be able to handle both and
> any other formats as well. I don't see too many religious arguments
> over it, nor do I see RH trying to make themselves the standard, at
> least in the everyday, vs. the business, world.
> Scott Robbins
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