- John, I noticed this as well and believed me I looked in every corner of every site. Two possibilities, 1. These records are not open yet or 2. It was a shipMessage 1 of 2 , Mar 23 1:17 PMView Source
John, I noticed this as well and believed me I looked in every corner of every site. Two possibilities, 1. These records are not open yet or 2. It was a ship from another country, as in all of maritime movements of USSR, Soviet, Russian there is no record of Polish evacuees, in the English or Polish language. One possibility and I started to explore by google translating into Russian and then clicking on every translate function, not knowing what I was reading until it was translated, like a needle in a haystack, but it can be done. I did come up with documents of interest and actually posted one.
It was noticed, at the same time, Russia was sending vessels, submarines down the Rivers to the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea, as it is landlocked and only way in by ship is down river and there is much documentation of Naval activity. Also, around the time of evacuations, there is in several different records, mention of German plane attacking Russian vessel and destroying it on the Caspian Sea.
What amazes me, as a novice and not a historian, is that the Germans were moving down to the Caspian, the Russians were gathering forces to battle the Germans around the Caspian and the Polish Evacuees (Exiles) were attempting to get to safety at a 3rd place, in-between all the WWII battles and at one stage, all three (3) German, Russian, Polish were there in different places, at the same time. It is lucky the Polish got out at all or were the Angels protecting us? If you look at the big picture it is truly amazing and so complicated, the activity that was going on in that region and the poor locals, would have been stripped of food and resources by each group of people coming through.
Perhaps Stan can look using the Russian language for more information? And from what I saw, there is much information not translated into English.
Both of you are most welcome to any information found and happy to assist, in some small way to the epic task, both of you have taken on. Thank you.
Some outstanding links and research! Thank you all.
Lenarda, I had seen
before but just as you say: taking a fresh look at familiar sources can yield new insights.
Consider, "30.10.1941 - Komintern (Коминтерн – Communist International Organization) / Reidtanker / Capt.Groshev / Astrakhan Port roads. She was sunk by German aircrafts. 3 crew were lost."
"1941" is probably a typo and should be 1942, since it is listed between other ships lost 29.10.1942 and 15.11.1942.
However, no ships are listed as lost during the evacuation periods March-April 1942 or August 1942. We have testimonials that speak of at least one ship sinking, so were those just rumours that are not substantiated? Or would any ship(s) that were not in the Soviet Merchant Marine not recorded if they sank? Some speak of all kinds of ships being used in the evacuation: merchantmen, tankers, coal carriers, fishing boats.
That Google Earth image is transfixing, Janusz. I have been at this a few years but don't recall ever seeing it before, so if and when you get more information about it please make sure to share with the forum. You speak of "photos" plural - did you combine several into a single .kmz file, because what I get appears to be a single picture. Does your .kmz creation include all the photos that had been posted, or are there more?
Hania, all your links provided fresh glimpses into the evacuation. The one I find most fascinating is the photo you pointed to, which leads to others in the series. At first I thought that the date March 23, 1942 referred to boarding of the sailors and airmen in preparation for first departure March 24. However, would you say that the picture at
shows the ship in motion on March 23, judging by the frothy water? If so, it is most surprising because of the early date and the huge amount of empty space on deck. Other images of the evacuations show a crammed mass of humanity just as described in numerous memoirs. The woman looks well-dressed and healthy, purse and all, also different from other images of the period. The men's garb definitely shows the Russian connection, though.
Lots of good photos on this site. Many hours of scrutiny to follow.
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