- Rusini Description This section is from The American Cyclopaedia , by George Ripley And Charles A. Dana. Also available from Amazon: The New AmericanMessage 1 of 76 , Jan 28, 2013View Source----- Original Message -----From: Stanislaw ZwierzynskiSent: Monday, January 28, 2013 3:44 AMSubject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Ethnicity vs. citizenshipZenon!
A wonderful, heartfelt story.
How hard is it to identify themselves in your situation.
I also live in the past, because of this no good waiting.
Therefore, I propose to establish a new nationality - Kresy Wshodnia (KW).
It was a heroic time. I am proud of my grandfather.
Unfortunately, now I have nothing to be proud of.
So that our group could be a cell source of the new nationality. Here among us are scientists, we justify.
Zeno, I know who they were (and are) Rusins, my friend is Rusin. This is a tragic story.
Stan from M.
From: Zenon Kuzik <zenon.kuzik@...>
To: "Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Ethnicity vs. citizenshipDear Basia,Your well-crafted contribution struck a chord with me. Although born and bred in New Zealand, and proud to be a Kiwi first and foremost, I start to feel a bit different when people over here say something to me along the lines of, "you have an unusual name" or "what nationality are you?", etc. I tell such folk that I have Polish ancestry - but that is a simplification. Both my parents and their families, for generations, were from Ziemia Lwowska, and they/we NEVER regarded that as part of some so-called Kresy. Our blood line is probably more Ruthenian (an historic term I prefer to the more modern "Ukrainian"), than anything else, and, as far as I can determine, we're a mixture of Ruthenian, Polish, Cossack, Russian, Tartar, German, Irish, Scottish and God knows what else. I "feel" more Polish than Ruthenian/Ukrainian - I was brought up as Polish (speaking Polish before becoming fluent in English), and this upsets relatives who are nationalistic Ukrainians!I have been to modern-day Poland, and felt little affinity with it. The language there is different from the Polish spoken by my parents, and, more importantly, the country no longer includes the Lwow region. I have also visited what is now called "Western Ukraine" and that has little in common with the land of my parents in its language, culture and pre-WW2 ethnic make-up. The Poland of before September 1939 - the Poland of my background - disappeared forever, thanks to Stalin, Hitler and Stalin's willing accomplices, Churchill and Roosevelt. I almost think of myself as an orphan - because I can't relate to the present, only to the past, as far as my background is concerned. Maybe that's why I'm so happy to be a Kiwi - living in Godzone. So, what is my ethnicity?All good wishes,Zenon KuzikAotearoa
From: Basia <basia@...>
Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 10:37 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Ethnicity vs. citizenshipThis has been a very interesting, thought provoking and deeply emotion stirring topic. John you write such a carefully considered posts and I admire so much your openness to add to your knowledge when new, let me call it "evidence" or "points of view" arise. The mark of a man of tremendous integrity and an open mind.Sophia you post gave me tremendous insights. Thank you..From my non academic viewpoint I can only present a "feeling" perspective, which, incidentally presides during the whole course of my involvement with the incredible KS "family.It is of course underpinned by all the brilliant academic posts which I love reading.I was born in Germany â€“ I have never felt the slightest feeling of belonging to Germany and have never felt even remotely German. However, when I visited Leer, my place of birth, I felt all sorts of sentimental emotions,Partly because it was my place of birth, partly trying to imagine what my parents had been through to get there. I walked all the streets, had dinner at the restaurant of my parents wedding etc etc.and felt emotionally very stirred.I lived in England for the first 37 years (Less first five months) of my life. Interestingly, I have never felt English, possibly because I lived in a Polish camp for the 1st 12 years and was raised very much as a Pole, simply because I was immersed in "all things Polish" family, church, school, traditions, and, a climate of reserve and suspicion towards the English people, at that time.I have already mentioned in previous posts my first visit to Poland shattered my images of being accepted as a Pole. I was different, I had been raise in different circumstances, and incidentally, my parents had suffered MUCH more than any of my relatives in Poland (as far as I have known from talking to them. (I am just talking about the war years)It was convenient for me to take British citizenship, and I do have a love affair with England and love visiting.I have lived in Australia for 31 years. I love it here and have been an Australian citizen for 25 of those years. I feel fortunate to live here and when asked what my background is,I am proudly an Australian citizen, Australia has allowed me a marvellous life, but on an emotional level I am very Polish, and very proud to be Polish, and aware of what all my ancestors went though and sacrificed.So I think of myself an ethnic Pole and an Australian citizen. - my roots are Polish.I imagine many of us who have lived outside Poland would have a strong affiliation of the country they live in and, at the same time, a strong connection to their ethnic roots. But that is my generation.My adult children, for example, think of their Polishness without depth, and these days feel Australian, however, they love continuing some of the Polish traditions.Interestingly my younger siblings don't feel particularly Polish, though since I have passed on some information about our father, they have become more interested.The topic will always be thought provoking, we need some new words in the vocabulary to deal with the differences.Basia Zielinska (Sydney)
- Akcja Wisla uprooted ALL Greek Catholics, not just Lemkos. ... From: Zenon Kuzik To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:54 AMMessage 76 of 76 , Jan 29, 2013View SourceAkcja Wisla uprooted ALL Greek Catholics, not just Lemkos.----- Original Message -----From: Zenon KuzikSent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:54 AMSubject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Ethnicity vs. citizenshipDear Basia,Point taken about language being organic, but the man in Wroclaw was quite adamant that Polish as spoken in present-day Poland has been bastardised: his subjective opinion.I think that if the Lithuanian lady had a painful experience, she probably allowed that to cloud her judgment regarding the past: subjective emotion distorting objective facts/reality. I am not necessarily condemning her because of this, as we can all be guilty of doing the same - the present writer included!You mentioned the Bieszczady region and the ethnic cleansing that took place there. This was part of what is known as Akcja Wisla which uprooted Lemkos and other Ruthenians/Ukrainians from their ancestral lands. Remember, of course, that this took place during the Communist era, at the behest of Moscow.Interestingly, I knew some Lemko folk who were victims of this tragedy. Yet they did not become anti-Polish as a result. They were aware of the circumstances behind their painful experience and were very friendly towards the Poles they came across in their new land of Australia, and were happy to speak in (non-bastardised!) Polish. I think they could have taught that Lithuanian lady a thing or two! By the way, as those native to Bieszczady were mostly Greek Catholics, and not Orthodox, it would seem more likely that the service you witnessed was led by GC and RC clergy.Your contributions are much appreciated.Zenon KuzikNew Zealand
From: Basia <basia@...>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2013 9:10 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Ethnicity vs. citizenshipDear ZenonLanguage is very "organic" it changes! There are many factors which affect that.In my humble opinion, it is not that language is/was better, just different, evolved,and many factors affect that.Just consider the variants in English around the world.That is a fact, and we tend to cling to what is familiar to us.That too is understandable.The difference in language is significantly noticeable when I speak to younger generation Poles (I am mother in law to a gorgeous "real" Pole, 10 years out of Poland).I speak very reasonable Polish (apparently) and I do hear the "difference" in the younger generation.As for the lady from LithuaniaHer experience is obviously painful, her memories are based on her personal experiences and stories.This why I embrace, to the best of my ability (not always successfully) an openness to learn about/from other cultures before forming cautious opinions.I was in the Bieszczady region of Poland a few years ago, I don't exactly know the facts between the changing borders, but I was, for the first time, seeing evidence of ethnic cleansing, by Poles, which caused me terrible pain.There was an extraordinary process of reconciliation happening when I was (purely by fluke) there. A marvellous service, in a church rebuilt from rubble, officiated at by Roman Catholic and Orthodox priests (bishops or even higher I think) One of the most moving days in my life.It filled me with hope for the human race.Basia Zielinska (Sydney)From: Zenon Kuzik <zenon.kuzik@...>
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:16:19 -0800 (PST)
To: "Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com" <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Ethnicity vs. citizenshipDear Basia,What a great reply - thank you! Stanislaw from Moscow's contribution certainly gave food for thought as well.Another aspect that "distances" me from modern Poland is that I have come across recent immigrants from that country who are not at all interested in connecting with the older Poles of my parents' generation. They seem to regard them as foreigners! Anyhow, I was heartened when a man in Wroclaw, whose family was originally from Volhynia, said that my father spoke much better Polish than most people in present-day Poland. We multi-ethnics from the former Eastern Poland are the true heirs of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. What a shame that the Lithuanian lady referred to by Dan Ford in his recent post has such a narrow (blinkered?) view of the past.Gratefully,Zenon KuzikAcross the Ditch from Sydney