- Hey, Simon You are communicating just fine, this is exactly what you do, you talk, you remember and anyone in the group, who lived where you lived will talkMessage 1 of 32 , Jul 3, 2012View Source
You are communicating just fine, this is exactly what you do, you talk, you remember and anyone in the group, who lived where you lived will talk back to you and between all the memories and historical knowledge of the group, you find a thread and it keeps growing.
My family comes from Niwna, which is near Zhitomir, Kiev, so I am not familiar with your territory, but any start is a good start.
My mother also has dementia, but will only talk of the old days with pain. I was lucky to get whatever information I could out of her memories and only three (3) years ago, she stopped being terrified of what the Russians would do to her family and her.
Again I welcome you to group and I am only around the corner in Sydney, as are others in the group.
Lenarda, Sydney Australia
Thank you for the link to the maps. It's more detailed than what I have seen to date but not detailed enough to lea to me to mum's place.
Mum was born in Rowne in 1926. She was deported in 1939. She is now 86 years old and has never returned. I was born in Perth, Western Australia. In speak enough Polish to converse comfortably with mum. She has dementia but is at her best when talking about the old times.
I have just returned from Poland and the Ukraine. We didn't locate mum's "patch of dirt" but we now have a context for the search.
She lived in Osada Hallerowka. She told me that 5 families liveD in this Osada. She says the names were Osada, Nowak, Konopko, Starzyk and Dysleski. I can't find an exact location for Osada.
I brought back photos and mum could recognize the Parish Church, the military church and the 3 rows of crosses in the cemetery. I think we have identified the school but can't get much further than that.
She says that opposite their house was a Russian church with some gravestones in the grounds. On her walk into town and church she would pass a meat works and a rag factory. There was also a military cemetery. She talks of "Kino Zafrana" also. I'm thinking that we put most of our efforts into the wrong side of ul 3 Maja when we were in Rowne.
That' where my search is currently at. Thank you for your help. I am new to this group bad hope that once I work out how to communicate through this forum I may make further progress.
Sent from my iPad
On 03/07/2012, at 8:23 AM, "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...> wrote:
Hello Simon and welcome to group.
The closest to getting a pre 1939 map of Rowne, was from Strony O Wolyniu, here is the link http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://wolyn.ovh.org/strony.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drowne%2Bmapa%2B1939%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3De8W%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=7DbyT4KfEIOuiAeywdWeDQ&ved=0CHAQ7gEwBw
and when you open site look for symbol <image001.jpg> click on this and then it will take you to another page with large map, look for ROWNE, click on this box and you will find the actual town, roads and all, also this map can be enlarged, by single click. There are many other links, still looking, they will turn up, but this is the quickest to find, helping you get started and find your direction.
Lenarda, Sydney Australia
- Thank you Elzunia. It appears that the article by Irena Haniewicz (Idkowiak) may be in the Polish edition only. Does the Polish edition contain articles byMessage 32 of 32 , Jul 9, 2012View SourceThank you Elzunia. It appears that the article by Irena Haniewicz (Idkowiak) may be in the Polish edition only.
Does the Polish edition contain articles by Izabela Maczko, Danuta Byrtus or Wladyslaw Grzebyk?
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...> wrote:
> In the first book in Polish there is an article from osada Bortica by Irena Haniewicz (Idkowiak). Donât see any mention of Szulc but there are several pages of photos.
> Elzunia Gradosielska Olsson
> AlingsÃ¥s, Sweden
> Names: Maczka. Gradosielski.
> Kresy: Osada Krechowiecka. Wilno.
> Siberia: Monastyriok. Siewzeldorlag, Komi.
> Army: Pestki 316 Transport. Sappers 5KDP.
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of halinamcd
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:45 AM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Osada Hallerowka / Wozniak
> Simon and Michael
> In the book â" Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing â" there are three accounts from osada Bortnica, from Wladyslaw Grzebyk, Izabela Maczko (nee Czerkowska) and Danuta Byrtus (nee Szubert).
> Could you please check through their stories to see if there is any mention of the Szulc families of osada Bortnica â" F Szulc and Kazimierz Szulc.
> Thank you
> Halina (NZ)
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