- Hello Peter, What a fascinating account by your grandmother. Everyone has a story to tell, a different yet similar experience to share. My father-in-law didn tMessage 1 of 51 , Aug 3, 2011View SourceHello Peter,
What a fascinating account by your grandmother. Everyone has a story to tell, a different yet similar experience to share.
My father-in-law didn't mention changing trains at any point in the journey, but it might be worthwhile to ask him.
Thanks for your input.
- Wow, that would be fun eh? Seems in the days of Tzar , 1842 ( way before Lenin or Stalin days), the German rail consultants suggested to the Tzar to use theMessage 51 of 51 , Aug 4, 2011View SourceWow, that would be fun eh?Seems in the days of Tzar , 1842 ( way before Lenin or Stalin days), the German rail consultants suggested to the Tzar to use the same as German at 1,500mm (4ft 11.5 inches). But that would be too darn easy for Germany to invade Russia. So they decided to use wide guge, of 1,524mm ( exactly 5 feet ) which was in common use in southern USA only. The tzar could still buy standard , already in production and proven technology, but not put his country at risk of attack.This Russian 5 ft railsystem from 1842 was standerdized in 1960's to present day 4ft 11 & 5/6 inches = 1520mm.
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On 2011-08-04, at 2:26 AM, Zenon Kuzik <zenon.kuzik@...> wrote:Zbyszku:In 1993 when I went by train from Wroclaw to Lwow, at Przemysl (where the third rail for the broad gauge began) all the carriages with the passengers still inside were jacked up so that the axles for the wider gauge could be attached. What an experience that was!Of course, the Russian broad gauge pre-dated Lenin and Stalin.Zenon KuzikNew Zealand
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Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Question regarding trains during deportationEd,That is cool explanation. It might have worked for a Sepecific A to B short route. But to add a third rail to the entire CCCP ( SSSR) rail system woould be unimaginable in terms of material, cost, labir, time etc. All the switching stations, etc would need to be changed.....What I read is that at every border crossing, they had a eficirnt system where they stopped the train, and while passengers or cargo was still on board, they changed all axels to match the gauge.Stalin/Lenin wanted different gauge between motherland Russia and the rest of the world/Europe. In that way any attacking army would be slowed down by this rail gauge difference.
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On 2011-08-03, at 8:42 AM, ed Bator <edijadzia@...> wrote:This may put somo more light on train or railroad question. I do not claim this was in all cases,however I recall that in 1940, in Janowa Dolina, powiat Kostopol, Wolyn, Soviets added one more rail tothe existing track so the trains loaded with cobble stones and gravel from Janowa Dolina RockQuarry could go unobstructed for Stalins roads. When we were transported to Kostopol inpasangers cars (15 km away), we had to change the trains and loaded into "cattle cars" waitingon a siding. From there on, our "luxurious " accomodation served us for over two weeks till wegot to Kazakhstan. I have not heard in my existance with other Sybiraks, mention anything aboutchanging trains at the "ex-border". Ruskis were pilfering Poland of whatever was not "nailed down"and than some that was nailed, so adding one more rail to existing trak was a good answer. Theirtrains could come and go at their leisure. Could be that the third rail was added on only certain lines.Hope this adds some clearing to this question.Ed (s.j.)