STEFAN and GROUP:
I won't bore you all with details of my travails, though I am
itching to vent on the Mazovian Office. I will save those for the
special discussion group rightully set up by Stefan. Let me just
mention that the only requirement NOT made of me by the Mazovian
Office was present residency in Poland, as discussed on-group by
Wieslaw/George and Stefan. Suffice to say, that having been put
through the mill on just the first step confirmation of my Polish
citizenship I am not inclined to pursue it to its conclusion let
alone proceed with the second step compensation although all
documents in both matters have already been submitted.
Fortunately I came to that realization long before reading Wieslaw's
posting where even the substantial proof of ownership he presented
to the Mazovian Office was
"insufficient". My proof pales in
comparison so there's not a snowflake's chance in hell that I would
have received anything anyway.
The crowning touch is the revelation in Aneta's latest posting that
if accurate, would totally negate my eligibility for compensation in
view of the fact that neither I nor my Parents returned to Poland to
live. And I blame the Mazovian Office for not informing me of that
fact months ago upon reviewing the spreadsheet I worked out listing
each of the 40 notarized documents I submitted by number,
identifying each and the institution from which it originated.
True, there are separate branches of the Mazovian Office handling
citizenship and compensation matters. However, at least one branch
should have looked at what was submitted and contacted me with the
Evidently, the Mazovian Office is not immune to bureaucracy the
right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. So now I'm
just sitting back waiting for the end of November at which time I
will be notified that my application for the confirmation of my
Polish citizenship is denied. Wonder what the excuse will be given
for denying me compensation the fact that I don't have Polish
citizenship or the fact that I was not eligible for compensation in
the first place (if Aneta's posting is correct).
I don't need Polish citizenship to visit Poland should I choose to
my USA passport grants me entry. It also shows I was born in
Poland so I will relish answering the custom officers, as I cross
the border into Poland, when they question why I am not using a
Polish passport. I had been somewhat apprehensive of a dual
citizenship now it's not an issue.
BOZENA Florida, USA
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
, "Stefan Wisniowski"
> Zygmunt - and others preparing claims
> This is a controversial matter, and one in which many see the need
to seek justice despite the practical difficulties. We have
discussed previously the pros and cons of making claims; searching
our messages for "compensation" yields 576 messages over the past 7
> We are currently discovering about the apparently illegal demands
of the bureaucracy that the property owners must have returned to
Poland after the war. This would eliminate most of our families
rights to compensation, which is against the specific law and
against the Polish constitution. But that topic will be dealt with
in a separate e-mail.
> I have also set up a special interest discussion group dedicated
to Kresy property claims, called
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Claimants - please join this
group to compare notes on details, documents, applications, lawyers,
etc so we don't have to bore the rest of the Kresy-Siberia Group
with our details!
> The most important thing is to preserve our rights by lodging a
claim - even an incomplete one - in the next 11 weeks (by 31 Dec
2008). Though all of this seems daunting, about 6000 claims have
already been approved in Poland for over US$85 million so far, and
there are at least an estimated 50,000 families eligible to claim,
so do not lose heart.
> Now to your questions:
> 1} If you were to make a claim, the only guarantee that your
original documentation would not be lost or misplaced is to send
certified copies. Depending on your location this can be done by a
Polish Consulate, or by a notary, and depending on country may also
involve an "International Apostille" document authenticating the
notary (esp. USA).
> 2} The voivodeship office generally proposed is Mazowieckie
(Warszawa) for people who did not return to Poland after the war
(otherwise it is the place of last residence). However, this is
also the one which is most inundated and also has some history of
denying claims. There appears that we have an option, so it is
worth us doing some quick research with our friends in Poland on
which voivodeship is best.
> Briefly, for those still considering filing a claim, the key to
any such application is:
> 1. Confirmation of Polish citizenship of the property owners as at
1 Sep 1939
> 2. Confirmation of Polish citizenship and places of residence of
the claimants (owners or heirs)
> 3. Description of the property
> 4. Confirmation of property inheritance rights of the claimants
(requires court documents)
> 5. Statement from claimants regarding any past property claims
(notarized or at a consulate)
> 6. Statements about the owner and claimant's current or past
> Evidence of 1, 2 and 3 above can be
> a) official descriptions of property;
> b) statement issued by former Panstwowy Urzad Repatriacyjny
(State Repatriation Office);
> c) official documents, including court ones, and other
documents received from state archives of the Republic of Belarus,
Republic of Lithuania, Russian Federation, Ukraine or other
> d) documents, issued by Polish authorities, confirming
possession of Polish citizenship
> e) in case of lack of documents, alternate proof could be
statements made before a notary or Polish consular outpost by 2
witnesses who resided in the town in which the property was located
(or in a neighboring one) and who are not relatives of the owners or
> If the application does not fulfill the requirements mentioned in
point 1-3, the Voivode (Governor) will request that the applicant
complete the shortcomings within 6 months from the day of delivering
> I look forward to comparing notes in more detail at
> Stefan Wisniowski
> Moderator, Kresy-Siberia Group
> From: Zygmunt Zalewski
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Property Compensation - Polish
Citizenship - Poland's Shame
> I read your recent e-mail with interest and really feel for the
Kresy-Siberia members who have been experiencing difficulties with
their land compensation claims.
> My mum was very young when the family were forced to leave their
land in Prudno/nr Mcibow (Now Bealarus).
> Her mum died in Siberia but passed on the title deeds to the land
to family and I now have the documentation.
> I was lucky to know my grandfather who was a Monte Cassino vetran
and managed to survive the war.My mum is still alive.
> Please advise
> 1} If I were to make a claim what guarantee would there be that
this original documentation would not be lost or misplaced?
> 2} Which voidvodship office in your view is the most efficient and
therefore likely to follow procedure more accurately and
> It is important to me to make a claim as all Polish soldiers were
fighting for Poland and had the dream of going back to their land
and re-settle back with their families in a free and democratic
Poland which in my view was only truly bought about with Solidarity.
> I know people in Poland suffered for many years but Polish land is
part of bieng patriotic and a Polish patriot.My grandfathers Polish
land ownership should be recognised and compensation granted.
> Best wishes
> Zygmunt Zalewski
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