- Hi Antoni The full list is in the Files section on Yahoo: Files Personal_testimoniesMessage 1 of 76 , Aug 8, 2008View SourceHi Antoni
The full list is in the Files section on Yahoo:
Files <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/> > Personal_testimonies <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/Personal_testimonies/> > Danuta's Diary
DG's <http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oImcSKyyV-FJBNp1K8hEEp6TXfHuDc8o9xQLP5DX-pgampWKXwRMHfHbt_eb1hJiGhPMdmYk4m5Vejkg51kG/Personal_testimonies/Danuta%27s%20Diary/DG%27s%20route%20map.jpg> route map.jpg
Evicted from Osada Krechowiecka, Wolyn in October 1939
Lived in Tuczyn on the river Horyń, 6 km. from our Osada.
10th February 1940 Deported by train
From Lubomirka station
Zdołbunów, change to Soviet cattle wagons which run on wider tracks.
cross the Polish border
To Kotlas Station
There is only one train that went from Kostopol to Kotlas. I can’t see a” train number” on the lists in the Yahoo files ....
Files <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/files/> > Deportation Train charts
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From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Antoni Kazimierski
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Deportation trains
I cannot recollect which way your Mom travelled to Kotlas area.
Rowne-Kostopol trains travelled via Stolin, Zdolbunow via Szepetovka, I believe.
I have a feeling your Mom's train arrived in Ponazyriovo in Gorkowska--also near Kotlas. You have a detailed list of stations and I have not got them to hand at present.
If that was so then train no 76 and designated as Zdolbunow train she was on.
It would seem that Kostopol train no 47 was used only once in February deportations, so was Zdolbunow; but in later -- ie April and June/July Zdolbunow was used more frequently, mainly into the Central and Eastern areas of Russia.
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- Thanks Tim, Dr Guryanov said as much; and as I recall reading that there might be some documents held in various post-NKVD Archives, but may not beMessage 76 of 76 , Dec 16, 2013View SourceThanks Tim,
Dr Guryanov said as much; and as I recall reading that there might be some documents held in various post-NKVD Archives, but may not be available/released or found in our lifetime; and some of the Republics/oblastiey have not released documentation which might give present-day researchers any leads;the Memorial to this day seek the answers, but nothing is forthcoming as yet;often they are 'prevented' by the present-day authorities from delving too deeply; so there we have have it.
antoni530 in UK.
--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Tim Bucknall <tim.bucknall@...> wrote:
> thanks for this very important clarification Antoni.
> the circle is squared,
> theres a world of difference between saying " 320,000 were deported"
> and saying "we have documentation of 320,000 deportees but we'll never
> know the full number because documents no longer exist"
> On 15/12/2013, Antoni Kazimierski <askazimierski@...> wrote:
> > I just woke up to the fact that there is a continuous discussion about
> > trains and numbers deported .
> > I wholeheartedly believe that the only sensible research and findings were
> > carried out by Memorial under the direction of Dr A Guryanov, who obtained
> > loading figures from the railway authorities. Not all materials were
> > available as a great deal was lost during the war.
> > There are no records of actual 'loading of persons per wagon, but there are
> > totals for majority of trains especially into the Northern Territories of
> > the Soviet Union. As I can see the greatest number of persons was a train
> > from Postawy to Belchasz in Almacka obl. with 2127 persons, followed by one
> > from Szczuczyn to Akmolinsk with 2090 persons. Our train from Pogorzelce to
> > Vielsk contained 1597 persons with train length of 36 trucks; but some were
> > not occupied by deportees; just bogies;as I recall there were 52 persons or
> > 12 families with us. Some trucks were loaded with just 8 families, but
> > probably larger numbers per family. I understand the loading was with the
> > number of families together and not split up so that they would go to one
> > posiolek together. The Guards had accommodation within the train with some
> > provisions and sleeping/resting facilities as they stayed with us all the
> > way.I believe our train was partly 'uncoupled ' at Vologda, but cannot be
> > sure to what extent as 450 or so of us arrived at Jeglec in Rowdinskij
> > rajon.
> > It is not possible, in my view, to apply 'statistical analysis as such' to
> > calculate totals using the highest numbers only; for that reason Memorial
> > never declared any totals, as I am aware.
> > Naturally, Guryanov list applies to cyvilian deportations handed to Memorial
> > by the Parovoz? organization and not to the transportation of prisoners of
> > war.
> > There were also some 'smaller trains' which were part of other transports as
> > obviously numbers of deportees in low hundreds were not sent in trains on
> > their own, but wagons were attached to other trains, even with commercial
> > traffic.
> > antoni530 in UK
> Tim Bucknall
> Congleton, UK
> #KresySiberia, Many thanks for your votes, results on 19/12