Has any one else had a problem emailing? They tell me they cannot
deliever and send it back. Carol
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, "ANTONI KAZIMIERSKI"
> Chris and Group,
> Witold pointed us to a short-cut in obtaining documents from
Russian Embassy; something that some members from N.Zealand and
Australia already did in the past.
> In many ways it is a much quicker way, but I would like to,
however, bring a note of caution, as sometimes the answers are
incomplete and you'll have to go back to 'Memorial' for a verified
version. The Polish section of the 'Memorial' society dealing with
deportations is led by Alexander Guryanov and they established a
particular terminology so as not to create ambiguities in answering
our requests. (see history at )
> They chose to put everyone deported into categories (w.Osadnicy,
Lesnicy-( Foresters), Lekarze, Nauczyciele, itd) and account, as
closely as possible, for all deported; thus creating a count leading
to a possible total.
> They established a methodical examination of deportations
between Sept. 1939 and the 'amnesty' day in August 1941; they chose
to use trains and their loadings as a means, because there were
records by escort brigades, which might, as near as matters,
establish the numbers.The Society also decided not to give dates of
arrests, etc., but to record dates of arrival at the final
destination of all who travelled; here again there were accounts of
people at the camps. Because the NKVD allocated camps to various
groups on a severity basis sending them to a particular type of camp
or location of camp, this made the matter that bit easier.
> When recording, they decided to verify where people lived prior
to deportation and whether they had military or civilian status.
Following this, Karta undertook to extend this verification both to
family deportees and to those arrested for other reasons.When you
receive a 'Spravka' -document -- from Karta /Memorial you will have -
if humanly possible -- all the answers conirming who you are and
where you were and when you arrived at the camp also it will be
numbered and headed with a particular Archive.
> There were no trains carrying families earlier than February
1940. The four echelons or four deportation of Polish Citizens, were
decided as a result of a resolution no 2001-558 which was presented
by Lavrentii Beria on 5th December 1939 to the Council of People's
Commissars of the USSR which Stalin confirmed on 19 and 25th December
1939.This was put into opertion on 29th December 1939. It was then
when logistics begun organised by Soviet Rail and camp commanders
under the guidance of NKVD.
> Witold showed and described to us his document from the
Russian Embassy -- I assume in London -- as there is no heading to
the one I've seen. It is a genuine statment; it says what it is meant
to say, but fails in the terms of the terminology which I described
ealier in as much as it is not numbered, not headed, not saying when
the family arrived at the camp. It does not give title to Pan
Szymanski nor his occupation. It does say that the family
were 'wysieleni' and 'iz' ---meaning evicted/forced out from the
village of Wolczek Wolynski to the camp etc. at Skorodumskii
mexlesopunkt. I thought that Pan Szymanski was osadnik--possibly
wojskowy --and lived at osada Wolczek Wolynski. I do not know this
and might be entirely wrong, but Witold might confirm this to us.
> I can see where the confusion arises and that is that the
translator of Witold's document used a word 'deported'--in Russian it
would be 'wywiezien' ; a very similar word and its use depends on the
stress one wishes to make.
> I am certain as many members said before, that many osadnikow were
forced out of their osady after the occupation of September 1939,only
to be placed in trains later. One of the points maid in the book
Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing and in Karta, that acconting of deportees
from the places of residence was not accurate as many had left/were
forced out from their homes and may not have been deported.
> No question about it that there were four deportations; 9/10th
February; 12/13th April; 28/29th June; and 14-20th June 1941.You can
see a list of trains for Belarus in no 12 Zeszyt by Karta -pages 130-
135 entiteled 'Cztery Deportacje 1940-1941 ' in Polish and 'Report
of numbers of deported Poles to USSR 1940-1941' in Belorussian. Also,
similar partial lists, in every Karta book from the Index of
> In conclusion, if you receive a statement from Embasies than you
might also need to write to 'Memorial' for verification.
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