- Dave, no way are you a fraud!! Heaven forfend! Be nothing but proud that your mum came out of it okay, and proud to be such a good son that you felt compelledMessage 1 of 6 , Jun 6, 2006View SourceDave, no way are you a fraud!! Heaven forfend!Be nothing but proud that your mum came out of it okay, and proud to be such a good son that you felt compelled to learn more, thus continuing the journey....Look, I think we 2G-ers (2nd generation) are still traumatized, no doubt about it.Many people who left loved ones behind or who were sole survivors of the Soviets also felt not entirely like "survivors" -- my late mum also felt that she was not technically a survivor. She felt that her brother died, but she lived, and she lived with that guilt her whole life. But then as she began speaking to what would amount to thousands of school kids and also adult groups, she realized that she SURVIVED!The irony is that her big regret during her lifetime was that she was not really able to connect with a group of people who survived Russia. She would have loved to do that. So I do it in her stead.Sincerely,Lynda
Dave Lichtenstein <kipkarren@...> wrote:Hello Julia, Stefan and all.I must crawl out of the woodwork and also admit to having had the same feelings as Julia did - ie feeling a fraud as far as the Kresy-Siberia Group was concerned in that my mother started off in Warsaw in the West and ended up as far East as Novosibirsk before going southward to the "Stan" States. But certainly after considerable discussion in this area and your comments below Stefan, I now no longer feel a fraud.Many thanksDave LichtensteinYour fellow Sydney-sider
"Stefan Wisniowski (Phoenix)" <swisniowski@...> wrote:Hi JuliaI hope you do not feel a fraud now - just see the purpose of the group: "Dedicated to researching, remembering and recognising the Polish citizens deported, enslaved and killed by the Soviet Union during World War Two."In the Kresy-Siberia Group, the terms are not strictly bounded in geography but refer to the experience of being uprooted from one's Polish home to the harsh Soviet east.The definition of "Polish citizens" is regardless of their ethnic, religious, political or geographic origins. If anything it should be broadened to include ethnic Poles living in the pre-war USSR (lots of mixed ethnicity in those days).As for the definition of "KRESY", that has changed over time and at least during the Polish Second Republic (1918-1939) it referred to all the eastern provinces (Wojewodstwa), including areas still now in Poland. A much vaster territory has also been defined as Kresy over the centuries (stretching to the Black Sea). It just means "borderlands".As for how we use the term "SIBERIA", it is an expression that refers to an experience beyond a geographical location. It refers to the deportation of people (not just Poles) by the Russians over the centuries to places in the east for forced labour or exile. This is definitely a Polish expression, though perhaps also used by people who were victims of Russian regimes over the ages.For another example of this usage works in the English language, please consider "SENT TO COVENTRY". This expression means "To be shunned or ignored." Apparently it is based on the English prison where hundreds of the troops of The Duke of Hamilton were sent during the Civil War of 1647, and the people of Coventry were so loyal to the parliamentary cause that they shunned all forms of fraternisation with the prisoners.RegardsStefan WisniowskiSydney, Australia----- Original Message -----...I used to feel a bit of a fraud here because my fathers ( my ) family were deported from Lukow and not Kresy and the town is of course still in Poland!Julia
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