Re: number questions/Agree on THE NUMBER/
- View Source--- Hello Barbara:
You are the first person that I had ever contacted whose family was
part of that group of deportees, namely those who signed up for
repatriation to West of the Bug river. I am curious to know if your
parents were deported together with other potential repatriates or
whether they were randomly grouped with other deportees? There is a
lot of conflicting information about this group and again the numbers
vary because NKVD gave different numbers depending on who asked the
question, trying to discredit the 300,000 plus number. I can't recall
where I read it, but one account stated that people were encouraged
to sign up to be repatriated to the West, then were placed on buses
presumably to be repatriated but instead were taken to Soviet Union.
What's most troubling is paucity of information about the fate of
this group of deportees.
In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Barbara Jachowicz Davoust"
> --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Walter Orlowski"
> <walter_orlowski@> wrote:
> > Also, nothing was known about the fate
> > of over 350,000 individuals, mostly Jews who were born West of
> > Bug river and signed up to return West under the Russo-Germanarrested
> > agreement on exchange of populations. They all vanished without a
> > trace.
> Hello Walter,
> When my mother told me how about she and my grandmother were
> for deportation, she said that the two of them had registered withthe
> authorities to "return West", and that most of the others who haddone
> so were Jewish. This was in Wolyn in June, 1940, where they had gonenew "border"
> to find a way to get to Warsaw, not managing to cross the
> that had been established near Bialystok. All those on the listswere
> So I think that there is always going to be some overlapping of the
> various groups and numbers. It will just make finding definitive
> figures even more difficult than they already are.
> Barbara Davoust,
> Toulouse, France
- View Source--- Hello Jagna:
Again a very informative post. I fully agree with Stefan Waydenfeld
that the Soviets had no intention of returning the vast majority of
Jewish deportees to Poland and that like the rest of the deportees
they were used as slave labor, regardless of how they got into
Russia. I also believe that majority perished like other deportees,
although there is very little information on that subject.
In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, jagna8@... wrote:
>that the number of the deportees exceeded 1.7 mln - but because the
> Re numbers and Walter's points, especially about Jewish Poles:
> First of all, most Poles I've interviewed for the film, also insist
evidence (Polish Government's counts, Hoover archives, etc) points to
around 1.7 mln, we've decided to stick to what is provable.
> The question of Jewish Poles, or Jews from Poland, or Poles ofJewish origin (terminology is quite a sensitive point here) is quite
murky, because there were several categories of Jews from Poland who
found themselves in the Soviet Union. I don't know the numbers but
> 1. those who supported communism and went before the war to work inRussia for ideological reasons;
> 2. those who were fleeing from the Germans to Russia, but when theydiscovered what it was like, decided to go back to Central Poland;
> 3. those who, along with 'Polish Poles' were trying to get to theWest to join the Polish Army, and were grabbed in the Soviet Union:
they too applied to go back to Poland, but landed in a completely
different direction (as did Stefan Waydenfeld's family from my
Forgotten Odyssey: they were stopped from boarding the train to
Poland because there were no more places. As they were told they
would be put on the next available train, they were convinced this
was happening when in fact they were arrested - but the following
morning they woke up to find that the 'sun was on the wrong side'. It
has to be remembered, however, that Stefan gets very upset when
people say that the Russians saved his life: 'they have deported us
to finish us off through hard labour and hunger, not to save us from