- The problem with younger members as I was one once…and very empty headed about all of this…. is that you basically have no knowledge of this story in theMessage 1 of 2 , Jun 3, 2005View Source
The problem with younger members as I was one once and very empty headed about all of this . is that you basically have no knowledge of this story in the first place ..and so names of places are very confusing where does one start?
Someone (I believe Barbara) said her Mom went from Tashkent to Oszy but Oszy is in Kyrgystan and Tashkent is in Uzbekistan would she not have gone the other way?.....from Oszy to Tashkent . I dont mean to discredit anyones story because God knows I have enough trouble with my own and perhaps that is the way she did travel which makes it interesting why ..but in keeping the journey correct the younger ones learn quicker.
When I was looking for Oshi..or Oszy as the Polish people pronounce it I found nothing ( didnt even know where it was) because the city they are referring to is Osh . So now that I have the correct spelling and the correct country I can easier mark the route west to Taskent. The same goes for Dzialalabhad when one hears a grandparent talking all they hear is Zalalabad .try looking that up. And Gorchakow where there was an army base is called something completely different today escapes my mind at the moment.
The problem with many storytellers of this past is that they were not specific about names and places, and camps and so forth...so now we are left with this mess of trying to
decipher and establish the correct information. Many storytellers tell the story as tho we should know all the facts leading up to what they are talking about but that is not always the case.
I find sometimes repeated info sinks into my brain better as I educate myself a little more on this time period. My biggest regret is that I did not know this history better when I travelled to Poland and especially Ukraine.
As far as how people traveled a new member does not know whether a Polish prisoner was issued a traveling permit with a ticket or money on a specified train or made it out of Russia s hellhole on his own, with bare pockets and the rags on his back.....much less how a family with children was able to survive these inhuman conditions. Well we know both scenario's are true and much more lies in between......but if you have no record of that in your search, it is very confusing.
We all know too that when amnesty was announced it was not announced in all camps at the same time. When the camps heard of amnesty not all prisoners were released. There also was a difference between people living in selected Russian camps (posioleks) and prison camps as far as the releases were concerned..I think I can safely say that people from posiloeks got out quicker. Correct me if I am wrong. In my own case .my fathers prison camp was notified mid-September, 1941 he did not get to Kermine to enlist until February 1942. For many it took that long to reach the south from where they were being held. For a new member it is difficult to understand this timeline when all they know is that amnesty was declared in August of 1941. I have found tremendous help from each members odyssey to better map my own story correctly.
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- ... headed about all of this…. is that you basically have no knowledge of this story in the first place…..and so names of places are veryMessage 2 of 2 , Jun 4, 2005View Source--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Anne Kaczanowski
>headed about all of this . is that you basically have no knowledge of
> The problem with younger members as I was one once and very empty
this story in the first place ..and so names of places are very
confusing where does one start?
>Oszy but Oszy is in Kyrgystan and Tashkent is in Uzbekistan would she
> Someone (I believe Barbara) said her Mom went from Tashkent to
not have gone the other way?.....from Oszy to Tashkent. I don't mean
to discredit anyone's story because God knows I have enough trouble
with my own and perhaps that is the way she did travel which makes it
interesting why ..but in keeping the journey correct the younger ones
>I believe what happens too is that when people like my mother recite
the places they went through, there is not necessarily a chronological
or geographical order to it. My mother definitely said Osh (we did
all this in English), but they certainly had no maps on hand to know
where exactly they were going. Certain names stuck in their heads.
So Osh to Tashkent or vice versa seems less important than the names
themselves. This is why I was hoping to redo this with a map in front
of me this summer and why Hania's chronological listing will be so
We shouldn't forget either the physical and mental condition people
were in, trying to escape southwards to get out of the USSR.
I find it interesting that many of these names are in the news again
these days with the riots and uprisings in Uzbekistan, etc. With the
maps provided along with the news coverage, I have a better idea of
where these places were located and where my mother and grandmother