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  • Susan Heemstra
    Lazurus, I m so sorry that happened to you! If I may gently add, perhaps both of you could have done things differently. I will say that you handled your
    Message 1 of 7 , Mar 8, 2006
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      Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you!  If I may gently add, perhaps both of you could have done things differently.  I will say that you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the group.  The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and considered her own selfish needs first.  It sounds like a no-win situation.  Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
       
      I would like to add my own personal story.  I joined the KWC at Pennsic 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare at me until I slunk away in disgrace.  The sound of my own voice scares me and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a blow.  But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
       
      I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
       
      Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible in your case.  Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to deal with in a choral group.
       
      Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
       
      Susanna Merrybegot
       


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    • Maria Foss
      I wonder that such things do not happen more often in ANY choir! I ve been involved with choirs enough to see my share of singers with issues , such as not
      Message 2 of 7 , Mar 8, 2006
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        I wonder that such things do not happen more often in ANY choir!   I've been involved with choirs enough to see my share of singers with "issues", such as not being able to  carry a tune without others close by singing in one's ear, or singing in tune just fine but with poor vocal quality...
         
        Being completely tone deaf AND oblivious to the fact - I've never encountered that, and that's a pretty challenging problem.  The irate, unreasonable parental figure as well.  I can't think that it would be possible to handle it any better than you did either... you have my moral support (and a long distance hug too.)
         
        Here's hoping the incident will not be repeated in a LONG while!
         
        Marea
        -----Original Message-----
        From: KWChoir@yahoogroups.com [mailto:KWChoir@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Donald F. Harrington
        Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:01 PM
        To: KWChoir@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [KWChoir] Troubling question

        Now that the dust has settled and we've had a chance to glow in the
        warm memories, I'd like to raise a little problem that happened to us
        this year at Estrella.  We advertise that to join us all you need to
        do is be able to carry a tune and keep a beat.

        I'm not sure how we could have best handled it, but I can't believe
        that the situation has not arisen before in the history of the Known
        World Choir.

        We had a lady join us at rehearsal who could not sing.  She sang an
        octave above everybody else and in a different key.  The sound was
        immediately off.  Some of our stronger sopranos gathered near her and
        sang so as to give her guidance, but she could or would not follow.

        I could hear that something was off and I commented during the
        rehearsal that it was happening.  Post-rehearsal, the sopranos came to
        me and identified the lady in question.

        When she arrived at the next rehearsal, before she could enter the
        area, I drew her aside and explained the problem.  I tried to be
        diplomatic and express it in terms of it not being a successful match
        between singer and group, but she was very upset and fled in tears.

        During the rehearsal, I was approached by her Father who wanted to
        know (a) why couldn't anybody sing with us no matter what, (b) who did
        I think I was to say his little girl couldn't sing, and (c) this
        wasn't the end of this.  He later returned with his seneschal.
        Luckily, the Atenveldt Kingdom seneschal is one of our tenors and was
        able to smooth things over with the other officer.  We discussed ways
        of strengthening the language about basic abilities to join the chorus.

        Some of the sopranos wanted to take the lady and work with her.  I
        fretted all evening about how upset she had been and what I could have
        done differently, that I was not willing to harm the choir or its
        performance to accommodate this lady.  Those who know me will know
        that I beat myself up pretty badly over hurting this person's feelings.

        Then came our preview performance (1 tune) at Queen's Tea.  This lady
        was also present at Queen's Tea, signing up to perform solo.  When the
        choir went on stage, she walked up with us (!).  It was not the place
        to cause a scene by publicly removing her.

        Afterwards, she spoke loudly in front of some of the singers that (a)
        she joined us deliberately to prove a point and that (b) "Lazarus was
        an ass".  Her solo performance conclusively demonstrated her
        intonation problems.  The ladies (including one Duchess) who had
        formerly been willing to help her were no longer interested.

        Luckily, she did not show up for the full concert as I would not have
        allowed her to perform.

        So am I just lucky enough to get a sociopath at the second Estrella
        choir?  Or has this sort of problem arisen in the past and people have
        some words of wisdom for me to avoid it in the future?

        Thanks!

        Don Harrington
        Lazarus Artifex




      • DON HARRINGTON
        Yes, you had an inaccurate picture of your own skills. And I ve had lots of people thank me because they were sure they were going to be awful and they
        Message 3 of 7 , Mar 8, 2006
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          Yes, you had an inaccurate picture of your own skills. And I've had lots of
          people thank me because they were sure they were going to be awful and they
          weren't at all. I think that's kind of a universal feeling. :)

          I discussed it with other choir members that we didn't want to add language
          that implied auditions or special skills beyond the very basic ones already
          mentioned - because we were afraid that people might pre-select themselves
          out. We had folks who really couldn't read music, for instance, and it
          didn't matter. I drilled all the parts. But the point is that we don't
          want to add barriers to participation for the very reasons you discuss - the
          thrill that people get when they realize they can do it after all.

          Don Harrington
          Lazarus Artifex

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Susan Heemstra" <susanheemstra@...>
          To: <KWChoir@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:24 PM
          Subject: Re: [KWChoir] Troubling question


          > Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you! If I may gently add,
          > perhaps both of you could have done things differently. I will say that
          > you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the
          > group. The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and
          > considered her own selfish needs first. It sounds like a no-win
          > situation. Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
          >
          > I would like to add my own personal story. I joined the KWC at Pennsic
          > 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare
          > at me until I slunk away in disgrace. The sound of my own voice scares me
          > and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a
          > blow. But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's
          > wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but
          > was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
          >
          > I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the
          > best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
          >
          > Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible
          > in your case. Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to
          > deal with in a choral group.
          >
          > Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
          >
          > Susanna Merrybegot
          >
          >
          >
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        • Karen Kasper
          Susanna, if you re the person I think I remember from that Pennsic, then the only thing wrong with your voice was that you were too shy and should have sung
          Message 4 of 7 , Mar 8, 2006
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            Susanna, if you're the person I think I remember from that Pennsic, then the only thing wrong with your voice was that you were too shy and should have sung louder!  :-)
             
            Arianna
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Susan Heemstra" <susanheemstra@...>
            To: <KWChoir@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:24 PM
            Subject: Re: [KWChoir] Troubling question


            >         Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you!  If I may gently add,
            > perhaps both of you could have done things differently.  I will say that
            > you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the
            > group.  The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and
            > considered her own selfish needs first.  It sounds like a no-win
            > situation.  Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
            >
            >   I would like to add my own personal story.  I joined the KWC at Pennsic
            > 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare
            > at me until I slunk away in disgrace.  The sound of my own voice scares me
            > and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a
            > blow.  But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's
            > wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but
            > was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
            >
            >   I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the
            > best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
            >
            >   Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible
            > in your case.  Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to
            > deal with in a choral group.
            >
            >   Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
            >
            >   Susanna Merrybegot
             





            Karen Kasper

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          • Susan Heemstra
            Arriana, I stood as close as I possibly could to you, so it probably was me. If so, I am blushing beet red. Thank you for your kind words, and I look forward
            Message 5 of 7 , Mar 9, 2006
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              Arriana, I stood as close as I possibly could to you, so it probably was me.  If so, I am blushing beet red.  Thank you for your kind words, and I look forward to performing this year at Pennsic under your direction (if you are still planning to direct, that is.)  I wasn't kidding when I said that the sound of my own voice, especially solo, scares me to silence.
               
              I will take this opportunity to post this here ... if anyone on this list will be at Pennsic, and wouldn't mind working with me on projection (or tune carrying, or anything) for a couple of hours, I would be very grateful.
               
              Thank you again for your kind words of encouragement.
               
              Yours in Service - with hugs
              Susanna
               


              Karen Kasper <arianna_wyn@...> wrote:
              Susanna, if you're the person I think I remember from that Pennsic, then the only thing wrong with your voice was that you were too shy and should have sung louder!  :-)
               
              Arianna
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Susan Heemstra" <susanheemstra@...>
              To: <KWChoir@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:24 PM
              Subject: Re: [KWChoir] Troubling question


              >         Lazurus, I'm so sorry that happened to you!  If I may gently add,
              > perhaps both of you could have done things differently.  I will say that
              > you handled your issue with maturity and concern for the good of the
              > group.  The youngster in question handled it with immaturity and
              > considered her own selfish needs first.  It sounds like a no-win
              > situation.  Bless the soprano ladies who considered "tutoring" her.
              >
              >   I would like to add my own personal story.  I joined the KWC at Pennsic
              > 33 believing that I would open my mouth and everyone would stop and glare
              > at me until I slunk away in disgrace.  The sound of my own voice scares me
              > and I will drop a tune as fast as it takes a knight to get up after a
              > blow.  But thanks to Lady Anne's wonderful direction, and Lady Arriana's
              > wonderful soprano voice to follow, I not only was not asked to leave, but
              > was part of the best choral performance of my adult life.
              >
              >   I truly hope that all directors will have the patience to bring out the
              > best in their participants -- even if they aren't all that good.
              >
              >   Having said that, it doesn't sound as if that would have been possible
              > in your case.  Hopefully, this is the worst thing you will ever have to
              > deal with in a choral group.
              >
              >   Yours in Service with $0.02 worth,
              >
              >   Susanna Merrybegot
               





              Karen Kasper

              "Only the educated are free." Epictetus (55 AD - 135 AD), Discourses

              "Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one." Malcolm Forbes (1919 - 1990), in Forbes Magazine

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