Re: Marriage Puzzle Answer ! (Narasimha)

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• Dear Jeyaram, ... It is not true that dasas did not show the event. The problem is that multiple dates out of the four dates given by you can be justified
Message 1 of 1 , May 25, 2005
Dear Jeyaram,

> But there is one question I am not able to answer: When an event
> could the DASA(s) not point the event correctly which TP was able to
> point out? Are we missing something here ? Does the DASA analysis
> change if MOON SIGN is taken as lagna instead of SCORPIO as it is
> much stronger than lagna?

It is not true that dasas did not show the event. The problem is that multiple dates out of the four dates given by you can be justified using dasas. On the contrary, annual TP chart of one date really stood out.

As far as my understanding of dasas goes, there is no magical and consistently replicable formula to say that marriage is given in the mahadasa of X and antardasa of Y. There are multiple planets that become candidates to give an event and it is not easy to pick one planet confidently at the mahadasa, antardasa and pratyantardasa levels. Of course, it could just be a limitation of my knowledge. But I am much more comfortable relying on annual TP charts to make precise predictions.

Ideal application of dasas requires combining three factors - (1) natal chart, (2) dasa pravesha chart and (3) transit chart. Dasas, antardasas etc should be judged using these three factors. However, (2) is often ignored due to accuracy considerations and often we ignore (3) too (for no reason). Relying on natal chart alone to judge dasas is quite fallible. There may be 3 or 4 planets that can give marriage as per natal chart. Why does only one planet give marriage in its antardasa?

For example, I micro-rectified my own chart thoroughly and explained tens of events upto deha-antardasa level (6th level!) of Vimsottari dasa, using a very consistent methodology. What I found in that exercise is that dasa pravesha chakra is very important. If your dasa calculations are extremely accurate (which requires a superfine rectification, invariably involving many rounds of trial and error), dasa pravesha chakra will work nicely.

A lot of Jyotish we do these days is an art rather than a science. But there are scientific, systematic and replicable aspects of Jyotish. When the time comes, they will come out in the open.

> Blessed are those who are able to get
> answers from you and Sanjay ji during their formative stages in
> Astrology learning!

I am flattered, but honestly I just share my 2 cents based on my limited reading, limited experience and limited thinking. If any students think that I know a lot and that they are "blessed" to get clarifications from me, they have wrong expectations. Sanjay ji is on a different intellectual plane altogether.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,
Narasimha
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> Dear Narasimha Ji,
>
> Namaste!
>
> Thanks for the encouraging remarks about the puzzle.
>
> I am sorry that I missed the following message posted by Mr.
> Palanivelu before I posted the answer:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vedic-astrology/message/57260.
>
> I downloaded the MP3 and listened to the audio. I must agree that it
> was quite inconclusive during the DASA ANALYSIS but TP gave a very
> accurate picture.
>
> My hearty congratulations to you and your students on getting it
> right!
>
> But there is one question I am not able to answer: When an event
> could the DASA(s) not point the event correctly which TP was able to
> point out? Are we missing something here ? Does the DASA analysis
> change if MOON SIGN is taken as lagna instead of SCORPIO as it is
> much stronger than lagna? Blessed are those who are able to get
> answers from you and Sanjay ji during their formative stages in
> Astrology learning!
>
> Thanks & Respectful Regards
> Jeyaram
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:
> > Namaste Jeyaram,
> >
> > Congratulations to those who solved this puzzle correctly! This
> > puzzle is a trend-setter in several ways, as it was objective with
> > A, B, C, D choices and a nice summary of all the attempts is given
> > at the end complete with all the links!
> >
> > BTW, we discussed this puzzle in my Sunday class at Dracut (near
> > Boston) on last Sunday (May 22). My class too chose option C.
> >
> > With Dwisaptati sama dasa and Narayana dasa, we did not get a
> clear
> > picture. We jumped back and forth and were not sure. However, when
> > we saw the annual Tithi Pravesha chart (lunar return chart), we
> were
> > fully convinced that May 9, 1997 must have been the marriage date.
> > It was crystal clear based on TP. So our final choice was option C.
> >
> > To hear the discussion we had at my class on this puzzle, please
> go
> > to
> >
> > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
> >
> > and downlaod lesson 42 (22 May 2005). I am happy for the students -
>
> > they started astrology only one year back have solved yet another
> > puzzle correctly!
> >
> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,
> > Narasimha
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> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
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> >
> > > Respected Gurus & List Members,
> > >
> > > Many thanks for participating in the Marriage Puzzle cross-
> posted
> > on
> > > several yahoo groups. I must say that it was a great learning
> > > experience for me. I am sure that other list members too would
> > have
> > > benefited immensely by the analyses of the puzzle.
> > >
> > > Well, the answer to the puzzle is
> > >
> > > Option C) May 9, 1997
> > >
> > > Only Utpal Pathak & Panditji hit the bull's eye! My hearty
> > > congratulations to both of you!
> > >
> > > The other members who came very close were Pradeep Gurav,
> > Raghunath
> > > Rao Nemani and to certain extent Sarbani Sarkar. They all
> arrived
> > at
> > > January 26, 1997 which was incidently the date of the couples'
> > > engagement.
> > >
> > > Thanking you all once again,
> > > Jeyaram
> > >
> > > Following is the message index of the puzzle on various groups:
> > >
> > > Vedic Astrology Group:
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > Marriage Puzzle : vedic-astrology/message/56925
> > > Pradeep Gurav : vedic-astrology/message/56933
> > > vedic-astrology/message/56945
> > > Utpal Pathak : vedic-astrology/message/56935
> > > vedic-astrology/message/57003
> > > vedic-astrology/message/57004
> > > Rema Menon : vedic-astrology/message/56943
> > > vedic-astrology/message/57018
> > > Ken : vedic-astrology/message/56950
> > > Lyudmila : vedic-astrology/message/56975
> > > Eveningwish : vedic-astrology/message/56977
> > > Raghunatha Rao : vedic-astrology/message/57064
> > > Panditji : vedic-astrology/message/57122
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Gajapati Group:
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > Marriage Puzzle : Gajapati/message/784
> > > Utpal Pathak : Gajapati/message/792
> > > Gajapati/message/806
> > > Gajapati/message/807
> > > Hari : Gajapati/message/809
> > > Gajapati/message/843
> > > Sarbani Sarkar : Gajapati/message/839
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Srijagannath Group:
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > Marriage Puzzle : srijagannath/message/13536
> > > Samir Shah : srijagannath/message/13554
> > > srijagannath/message/13584
> > > srijagannath/message/13618
> > > -----------------------------------------------

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