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  • Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
    Namaste friends, Tony Blair has the 7th lord Mars in lagna. As per Parasara, Dwi-saptati sama dasa applies. I personally prefer that dasa to Vimsottari dasa in
    Message 1 of 3 , May 6, 2005
      Namaste friends,

      Tony Blair has the 7th lord Mars in lagna. As per Parasara, Dwi-saptati sama dasa applies. I personally prefer that dasa to Vimsottari dasa in his case. Here is my explanation of events based on DSS dasa.

      In his rasi chart, exalted 4th lord Sun is with 5th lord Mercury and gives Mercury's results. Thus, Sun dasa made him Prime Minister. In D-10, Sun is the 5th lord of power, occupies GL and aspects lagna (by rasi drishti). According to Parasara (see the chapter on raja yogas in BPHS), a planet associating with lagna and GL by way of occupation, ownership or aspect, becomes a Yogada and brings power. Sun is in GL and aspects lagna. He brings power. The antardasa of ascension to Prime Ministership was Jupiter's. While Sun is the 5th lord from lagna, Jupiter is in 5th lord in 5th from Sun (all in D-10, chart of career)!

      Moon dasa started in October 2001, soon after the WTC attacks. Moon is the 3rd lord of aggression in rasi chart and afflicted by Rahu in the 9th house of dharma.

      Moon is in Maheshwara shashtyamsa. Maheshwara is Shiva as the destroyer and leader of the eleven Rudras. His shashtyamsa shows destruction. That was the karma carried by Moon and it had to happen.

      It was Moon-Mars antardasa during Nov 2002-Jan 2004 that saw him commit the Iraq mistake. In D-10, Mars is in Aries lagna and shows bold actions. He also occupies A3 (arudha pada of 3rd house, i.e. manifestation of boldness). Mars made him take the country to a hasty war. Then Mercury antardasa ran until recently. Mercury is the 3rd and 6th lord in D-10 and is a rank malefic. He shows the rise of enemies and problems from people with strong Mercury (and also media, shown by Mercury).

      Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa started in Feb 2005. Moon and Jupiter are together in the 12th house in D-10. They occupy A9 and A10. If bhagya pada and rajya pada are together, it is a raja yoga. Moon and Jupiter occupy them in Pisces. So Moon-Jupiter makes him continue as the leader. From Moon, Jupiter is lagna lord in lagna. I see an auspicious new beginning for him and I see him being less aggressive and more mature and wise from now.

      Based on his annual Tithi Pravesha chart, I see big trouble for him during June-August (especially mid-July). In D-10 of the annual chart, 8th lord Venus and 10th lord Jupiter have an exchange. So Venus dasa during June-Aug 2005 and Jupiter dasa during Feb-April 2006 are problematic. But, I don't see a complete fall. There will be brewing discontent within his party, which he will manage to overcome.

      The transit of Rahu in Pisces (containing dasa lord antardasa lord Moon and Jupiter in D-10) will continue to be problematic in career. But, the period when Saturn and Ketu transit in Leo and Jupiter transits in Scorpio will be a glorious period in his career. From his natal rasi Moon, Leo is the 8th. But, from his natal dasamsa Moon, Leo is 6th and Scorpio is 9th!! During this transit, he will be under much duress physically and on the edge always. But he will display conviction, statesmanship and wisdom in his actions and his balancing act in a tumultous world will receive praise from historians.

      In my judgment, next year will be rough and Blair himself will wonder whether to withdraw (dasa and antardasa lords Moon and Jupiter are in the 12th house of compromise, losss and renunciation in D-10!). But I tend to think that Blair will hang in there because there is history to be made in 2007-2008.

      May Jupiter's light shine on us,
      Narasimha
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      > Dear Rao sahab,
      >
      > I still feel that the venus antar dasa should see him fall, and that
      > was the basis of my prediction in march. I beleive in my reply in
      > end of march (message 6716) I also questioned if he even wanted the
      > position anymore, that he may want out now. Enigmatic Sa/Ve makes it
      > difficult to read.
      >
      > Tough to predict a win/lose, but clear that the loss of position has
      > to come in this period for him. The question then becomes - when and
      > how?
      >
      > So I would favour the argument that you have posted that Blair has
      > won only to lose. Enigmatic indeed.
      >
      > Regards,
      > -Puneet
      >
      > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, knrao <kn_rao@y...> wrote:
      > > Saturn-Venus of Blair
      > > I will analyse further the horoscope of Blair. But in the
      > > meantime, one can refer to what I had said about the
      > > Saturn-Venus periods etc in my researches. Has Blair won
      > > only to lose ? I am posing this question.
      > >
      > > Yours sincerely,
      > > K.N.Rao.


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • vijayadas_pradeep
      Dear Narasimha ji After the results my study is only having an academic value. Though DSS is the dasha recommended,Vimsottari is explaining them excellently.
      Message 2 of 3 , May 6, 2005
        Dear Narasimha ji

        After the results my study is only having an academic value.
        Though DSS is the dasha recommended,Vimsottari is explaining them
        excellently.

        General strength of the chart.
        Moon and Venus in 3/11 is a good Rajayoga by Parashara.
        4th lord /throne and Amatyakaraka Sun is exalted.Lagna lord exalted
        -exchange with 11th lord.
        In navamsha and dashamsha the dispositor of Amatyakaraka is in his
        Moola trikona.5th lord mercury is in the dashamsha of lagna lord.Power
        giving position.Lagna lord Venus and /9th lord plus yogakaraka Saturn
        in mutual seventh aspect.
        9th lord in 5th, is a good position for ministership -Parashara.
        In navamsha saturn again occuppies the amsha of 5th Bhava,making him
        vargottama and fortifying 9th lords position further.
        In dashamsha, this saturn occuppies his moolatrikona ,which is also
        the amsha of 10th lord.

        Under such circumstances - Why should YK Saturn deny 2 terms.Thus
        saturn /Venus looks perfect.
        Even Iraq war could not prevent Blair during this Saturn /Venus.
        Jupiter and saturn from transit positions were also aspecting this Venus.

        Thanks
        Pradeep

        --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>
        wrote:
        > Namaste friends,
        >
        > Tony Blair has the 7th lord Mars in lagna. As per Parasara,
        Dwi-saptati sama dasa applies. I personally prefer that dasa to
        Vimsottari dasa in his case. Here is my explanation of events based on
        DSS dasa.
        >
        > In his rasi chart, exalted 4th lord Sun is with 5th lord Mercury and
        gives Mercury's results. Thus, Sun dasa made him Prime Minister. In
        D-10, Sun is the 5th lord of power, occupies GL and aspects lagna (by
        rasi drishti). According to Parasara (see the chapter on raja yogas in
        BPHS), a planet associating with lagna and GL by way of occupation,
        ownership or aspect, becomes a Yogada and brings power. Sun is in GL
        and aspects lagna. He brings power. The antardasa of ascension to
        Prime Ministership was Jupiter's. While Sun is the 5th lord from
        lagna, Jupiter is in 5th lord in 5th from Sun (all in D-10, chart of
        career)!
        >
        > Moon dasa started in October 2001, soon after the WTC attacks. Moon
        is the 3rd lord of aggression in rasi chart and afflicted by Rahu in
        the 9th house of dharma.
        >
        > Moon is in Maheshwara shashtyamsa. Maheshwara is Shiva as the
        destroyer and leader of the eleven Rudras. His shashtyamsa shows
        destruction. That was the karma carried by Moon and it had to happen.
        >
        > It was Moon-Mars antardasa during Nov 2002-Jan 2004 that saw him
        commit the Iraq mistake. In D-10, Mars is in Aries lagna and shows
        bold actions. He also occupies A3 (arudha pada of 3rd house, i.e.
        manifestation of boldness). Mars made him take the country to a hasty
        war. Then Mercury antardasa ran until recently. Mercury is the 3rd and
        6th lord in D-10 and is a rank malefic. He shows the rise of enemies
        and problems from people with strong Mercury (and also media, shown by
        Mercury).
        >
        > Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa started in Feb 2005. Moon and Jupiter
        are together in the 12th house in D-10. They occupy A9 and A10. If
        bhagya pada and rajya pada are together, it is a raja yoga. Moon and
        Jupiter occupy them in Pisces. So Moon-Jupiter makes him continue as
        the leader. From Moon, Jupiter is lagna lord in lagna. I see an
        auspicious new beginning for him and I see him being less aggressive
        and more mature and wise from now.
        >
        > Based on his annual Tithi Pravesha chart, I see big trouble for him
        during June-August (especially mid-July). In D-10 of the annual chart,
        8th lord Venus and 10th lord Jupiter have an exchange. So Venus dasa
        during June-Aug 2005 and Jupiter dasa during Feb-April 2006 are
        problematic. But, I don't see a complete fall. There will be brewing
        discontent within his party, which he will manage to overcome.
        >
        > The transit of Rahu in Pisces (containing dasa lord antardasa lord
        Moon and Jupiter in D-10) will continue to be problematic in career.
        But, the period when Saturn and Ketu transit in Leo and Jupiter
        transits in Scorpio will be a glorious period in his career. From his
        natal rasi Moon, Leo is the 8th. But, from his natal dasamsa Moon, Leo
        is 6th and Scorpio is 9th!! During this transit, he will be under much
        duress physically and on the edge always. But he will display
        conviction, statesmanship and wisdom in his actions and his balancing
        act in a tumultous world will receive praise from historians.
        >
        > In my judgment, next year will be rough and Blair himself will
        wonder whether to withdraw (dasa and antardasa lords Moon and Jupiter
        are in the 12th house of compromise, losss and renunciation in D-10!).
        But I tend to think that Blair will hang in there because there is
        history to be made in 2007-2008.
        >
        > May Jupiter's light shine on us,
        > Narasimha
        > ----------------------------------------------------------------
        > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
        > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
        > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
        > ----------------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > > Dear Rao sahab,
        > >
        > > I still feel that the venus antar dasa should see him fall, and that
        > > was the basis of my prediction in march. I beleive in my reply in
        > > end of march (message 6716) I also questioned if he even wanted the
        > > position anymore, that he may want out now. Enigmatic Sa/Ve makes it
        > > difficult to read.
        > >
        > > Tough to predict a win/lose, but clear that the loss of position has
        > > to come in this period for him. The question then becomes - when and
        > > how?
        > >
        > > So I would favour the argument that you have posted that Blair has
        > > won only to lose. Enigmatic indeed.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > > -Puneet
        > >
        > > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, knrao <kn_rao@y...> wrote:
        > > > Saturn-Venus of Blair
        > > > I will analyse further the horoscope of Blair. But in the
        > > > meantime, one can refer to what I had said about the
        > > > Saturn-Venus periods etc in my researches. Has Blair won
        > > > only to lose ? I am posing this question.
        > > >
        > > > Yours sincerely,
        > > > K.N.Rao.
        >
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • vijayadas_pradeep
        Also Venus is in the amsha of 9th lord saturn in navamsha and 5th lord mercury in dahsamsha to make things better. ... Venus. ... that ... makes it ... has ...
        Message 3 of 3 , May 6, 2005
          Also Venus is in the amsha of 9th lord saturn in navamsha and 5th lord
          mercury in dahsamsha to make things better.

          --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "vijayadas_pradeep"
          <vijayadas_pradeep@y...> wrote:
          > Dear Narasimha ji
          >
          > After the results my study is only having an academic value.
          > Though DSS is the dasha recommended,Vimsottari is explaining them
          > excellently.
          >
          > General strength of the chart.
          > Moon and Venus in 3/11 is a good Rajayoga by Parashara.
          > 4th lord /throne and Amatyakaraka Sun is exalted.Lagna lord exalted
          > -exchange with 11th lord.
          > In navamsha and dashamsha the dispositor of Amatyakaraka is in his
          > Moola trikona.5th lord mercury is in the dashamsha of lagna lord.Power
          > giving position.Lagna lord Venus and /9th lord plus yogakaraka Saturn
          > in mutual seventh aspect.
          > 9th lord in 5th, is a good position for ministership -Parashara.
          > In navamsha saturn again occuppies the amsha of 5th Bhava,making him
          > vargottama and fortifying 9th lords position further.
          > In dashamsha, this saturn occuppies his moolatrikona ,which is also
          > the amsha of 10th lord.
          >
          > Under such circumstances - Why should YK Saturn deny 2 terms.Thus
          > saturn /Venus looks perfect.
          > Even Iraq war could not prevent Blair during this Saturn /Venus.
          > Jupiter and saturn from transit positions were also aspecting this
          Venus.
          >
          > Thanks
          > Pradeep
          >
          > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...>
          > wrote:
          > > Namaste friends,
          > >
          > > Tony Blair has the 7th lord Mars in lagna. As per Parasara,
          > Dwi-saptati sama dasa applies. I personally prefer that dasa to
          > Vimsottari dasa in his case. Here is my explanation of events based on
          > DSS dasa.
          > >
          > > In his rasi chart, exalted 4th lord Sun is with 5th lord Mercury and
          > gives Mercury's results. Thus, Sun dasa made him Prime Minister. In
          > D-10, Sun is the 5th lord of power, occupies GL and aspects lagna (by
          > rasi drishti). According to Parasara (see the chapter on raja yogas in
          > BPHS), a planet associating with lagna and GL by way of occupation,
          > ownership or aspect, becomes a Yogada and brings power. Sun is in GL
          > and aspects lagna. He brings power. The antardasa of ascension to
          > Prime Ministership was Jupiter's. While Sun is the 5th lord from
          > lagna, Jupiter is in 5th lord in 5th from Sun (all in D-10, chart of
          > career)!
          > >
          > > Moon dasa started in October 2001, soon after the WTC attacks. Moon
          > is the 3rd lord of aggression in rasi chart and afflicted by Rahu in
          > the 9th house of dharma.
          > >
          > > Moon is in Maheshwara shashtyamsa. Maheshwara is Shiva as the
          > destroyer and leader of the eleven Rudras. His shashtyamsa shows
          > destruction. That was the karma carried by Moon and it had to happen.
          > >
          > > It was Moon-Mars antardasa during Nov 2002-Jan 2004 that saw him
          > commit the Iraq mistake. In D-10, Mars is in Aries lagna and shows
          > bold actions. He also occupies A3 (arudha pada of 3rd house, i.e.
          > manifestation of boldness). Mars made him take the country to a hasty
          > war. Then Mercury antardasa ran until recently. Mercury is the 3rd and
          > 6th lord in D-10 and is a rank malefic. He shows the rise of enemies
          > and problems from people with strong Mercury (and also media, shown by
          > Mercury).
          > >
          > > Jupiter antardasa in Moon dasa started in Feb 2005. Moon and Jupiter
          > are together in the 12th house in D-10. They occupy A9 and A10. If
          > bhagya pada and rajya pada are together, it is a raja yoga. Moon and
          > Jupiter occupy them in Pisces. So Moon-Jupiter makes him continue as
          > the leader. From Moon, Jupiter is lagna lord in lagna. I see an
          > auspicious new beginning for him and I see him being less aggressive
          > and more mature and wise from now.
          > >
          > > Based on his annual Tithi Pravesha chart, I see big trouble for him
          > during June-August (especially mid-July). In D-10 of the annual chart,
          > 8th lord Venus and 10th lord Jupiter have an exchange. So Venus dasa
          > during June-Aug 2005 and Jupiter dasa during Feb-April 2006 are
          > problematic. But, I don't see a complete fall. There will be brewing
          > discontent within his party, which he will manage to overcome.
          > >
          > > The transit of Rahu in Pisces (containing dasa lord antardasa lord
          > Moon and Jupiter in D-10) will continue to be problematic in career.
          > But, the period when Saturn and Ketu transit in Leo and Jupiter
          > transits in Scorpio will be a glorious period in his career. From his
          > natal rasi Moon, Leo is the 8th. But, from his natal dasamsa Moon, Leo
          > is 6th and Scorpio is 9th!! During this transit, he will be under much
          > duress physically and on the edge always. But he will display
          > conviction, statesmanship and wisdom in his actions and his balancing
          > act in a tumultous world will receive praise from historians.
          > >
          > > In my judgment, next year will be rough and Blair himself will
          > wonder whether to withdraw (dasa and antardasa lords Moon and Jupiter
          > are in the 12th house of compromise, losss and renunciation in D-10!).
          > But I tend to think that Blair will hang in there because there is
          > history to be made in 2007-2008.
          > >
          > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,
          > > Narasimha
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
          > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net
          > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org
          > > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
          > >
          > > > Dear Rao sahab,
          > > >
          > > > I still feel that the venus antar dasa should see him fall, and
          that
          > > > was the basis of my prediction in march. I beleive in my reply in
          > > > end of march (message 6716) I also questioned if he even wanted the
          > > > position anymore, that he may want out now. Enigmatic Sa/Ve
          makes it
          > > > difficult to read.
          > > >
          > > > Tough to predict a win/lose, but clear that the loss of position
          has
          > > > to come in this period for him. The question then becomes - when
          and
          > > > how?
          > > >
          > > > So I would favour the argument that you have posted that Blair has
          > > > won only to lose. Enigmatic indeed.
          > > >
          > > > Regards,
          > > > -Puneet
          > > >
          > > > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, knrao <kn_rao@y...> wrote:
          > > > > Saturn-Venus of Blair
          > > > > I will analyse further the horoscope of Blair. But in the
          > > > > meantime, one can refer to what I had said about the
          > > > > Saturn-Venus periods etc in my researches. Has Blair won
          > > > > only to lose ? I am posing this question.
          > > > >
          > > > > Yours sincerely,
          > > > > K.N.Rao.
          > >
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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