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  • Michaela
    One more issue that has been in the news an awful lot lately here in the USA: What do we say about embryonic stem cells? I m leaving now and I ll probably post
    Message 1 of 10 , Aug 11, 2001
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      One more issue that has been in the news an awful lot lately here in the USA:

      What do we say about embryonic stem cells?

      I'm leaving now and I'll probably post my ideas when I get back, but I am curious to read your opinions on this interesting subject.

      Michaela
    • Makr
      ... Michaela, do you ever run out of issues? :) Especially controversial ones? I mean, you never ask us anything easy like what outfit do you think I should
      Message 2 of 10 , Aug 14, 2001
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        >One more issue

        Michaela, do you ever run out of issues? :)

        Especially controversial ones? I mean, you never ask us anything easy
        like "what outfit do you think I should wear tomorrow?"

        >What do we say about embryonic stem cells?

        Ok, this one seems to fall into the same two camps that abortion does. Do
        you believe that life begins at conception? If you answer "yes" then
        embryonic stem cell research is unconscionable. If you answer "no" then
        it seems a perfectly reasonable avenue of research.

        I answer "no". So, therefore, I say "of course" to embryonic stem cell
        research.

        A local radio talk show recently covered this and the resulting opinion
        was that it was evil. That lead to a discussion of cloning. Which was
        also determined to be evil on the grounds that clones wouldn't have
        souls. (??? I never understood that one.) Which lead to a discussion on
        recent research into parthenogenesis. Which lead to the conclusion that
        that too was evil because if it worked then lesbians would kill all the
        men. You can see what kind of talk show it is. :) They never saw the
        obvious solution: use clones for embryonic stem cell research! :)

        (I don't mean to characterize anyone opposed to it as being the same or
        similar; I thought the the degeneration of the discussion - over several
        days - was funny. Then again, with the speed of scientific breakthroughs,
        maybe we men ought to start arming ourselves against the day those
        homocidal lesbians start hunting us down....)

        Given that Jack speaks from the womb... I think we can guess Julian May's
        viewpoint.

        Makr.

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        Well I'm not seventeen
        But I've cuts on my knees
        Falling down as the winter
        Takes one more cherry tree

        - Tori Amos "Girl"
      • blum25@yahoo.com
        This doesn t really have anything to do with anything, but moral issues are always dependant upon perspective, and EVERYBODY has a different perspective.
        Message 3 of 10 , Aug 14, 2001
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          This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but "moral"
          issues are always dependant upon perspective, and EVERYBODY has a
          different perspective. There is no way that anyone can prove his or
          her viewpoint is correct. The radicals try using emotion to make
          their point, and the sophisticated use pure logic to explain things.
          Emotions aren't always reliable, and logic can be used to theorize
          just about anything. I think I'm content in observing everyone's
          opinion and marveling that I am a human being capable of entertaining
          these kinds of thoughts at all!

          One question I have had is Felices prison. In the Adversary The spark
          of her being that is left is imprisoned in Brede's quiet room or room
          w/o doors or whatever (it's been 4 years since I last read that
          book). Is there any mention of her after that chronologically? When I
          was reading the Galactic Milieu trilogy, I always thought the the
          essence of Felice was what inspired and created Fury. Did anyone else
          think this at the time?
        • clarissafarrington@bigpond.com
          From memory, after Elizabeth puts the Duality in the room without doors it is not mentioned again. There is a mention of the Duality in one of the Mileu books,
          Message 4 of 10 , Aug 16, 2001
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            From memory, after Elizabeth puts the Duality in the room without
            doors it is not mentioned again.

            There is a mention of the Duality in one of the Mileu books, but I
            cannot remember which.

            Did it inspire Fury? That is a tough one. I do not think so. It is
            pretty well established that Fury is a product of Denis' childhood
            trauma.

            --- In Julian-May-discuss@y..., blum25@y... wrote:
            > This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but "moral"
            > issues are always dependant upon perspective, and EVERYBODY has a
            > different perspective. There is no way that anyone can prove his or
            > her viewpoint is correct. The radicals try using emotion to make
            > their point, and the sophisticated use pure logic to explain
            things.
            > Emotions aren't always reliable, and logic can be used to theorize
            > just about anything. I think I'm content in observing everyone's
            > opinion and marveling that I am a human being capable of
            entertaining
            > these kinds of thoughts at all!
            >
            > One question I have had is Felices prison. In the Adversary The
            spark
            > of her being that is left is imprisoned in Brede's quiet room or
            room
            > w/o doors or whatever (it's been 4 years since I last read that
            > book). Is there any mention of her after that chronologically? When
            I
            > was reading the Galactic Milieu trilogy, I always thought the the
            > essence of Felice was what inspired and created Fury. Did anyone
            else
            > think this at the time?
          • Ian J Greely
            Umm, As I understand it the fury/hydra/felice+culluket link was the intended explination for the connection... Ms May changed the storyline after it became
            Message 5 of 10 , Aug 16, 2001
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              Umm,

              As I understand it the fury/hydra/felice+culluket link was the
              intended explination for the connection...

              Ms May changed the storyline after it became evident that many readers
              had predicted this outcome in discussions on usenet. *shrug*

              On morality. The thing is that you have to draw a line in the sand. If
              you don't then there is nothing that is beyond you. Even with your
              line it's kind of painful to hold to. OMMV

              regards,
              Ian

              On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:03:10 -0000, you wrote:

              >>From memory, after Elizabeth puts the Duality in the room without
              >doors it is not mentioned again.
              >
              >There is a mention of the Duality in one of the Mileu books, but I
              >cannot remember which.
              >
              >Did it inspire Fury? That is a tough one. I do not think so. It is
              >pretty well established that Fury is a product of Denis' childhood
              >trauma.
              >
              >--- In Julian-May-discuss@y..., blum25@y... wrote:
              >> This doesn't really have anything to do with anything, but "moral"
              >> issues are always dependant upon perspective, and EVERYBODY has a
              >> different perspective. There is no way that anyone can prove his or
              >> her viewpoint is correct. The radicals try using emotion to make
              >> their point, and the sophisticated use pure logic to explain
              >things.
              >> Emotions aren't always reliable, and logic can be used to theorize
              >> just about anything. I think I'm content in observing everyone's
              >> opinion and marveling that I am a human being capable of
              >entertaining
              >> these kinds of thoughts at all!
              >>
              >> One question I have had is Felices prison. In the Adversary The
              >spark
              >> of her being that is left is imprisoned in Brede's quiet room or
              >room
              >> w/o doors or whatever (it's been 4 years since I last read that
              >> book). Is there any mention of her after that chronologically? When
              >I
              >> was reading the Galactic Milieu trilogy, I always thought the the
              >> essence of Felice was what inspired and created Fury. Did anyone
              >else
              >> think this at the time?
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            • notsogoody2shoes2000@yahoo.co.uk
              Duality - was mentioned in The Adversary at the beginning of the book as a resprise of the disaster at Rio Genil ...
              Message 6 of 10 , Aug 17, 2001
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                Duality - was mentioned in "The Adversary" at the beginning of the
                book as a resprise of the disaster at Rio Genil ...
              • Ian J Greely
                Whatever paddles your canoe. The net was rather rich in Science Fiction before AOL and their ilk started advertising for idiots! ... ... why bother? Here s
                Message 7 of 10 , Aug 20, 2001
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                  Whatever paddles your canoe.

                  The net was rather rich in Science Fiction before AOL and their ilk
                  started advertising for idiots!



                  On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:49:30, you wrote:

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                  ><DIV></DIV>>
                  ><DIV></DIV>>As I understand it the fury/hydra/felice+culluket link was the
                  ><DIV></DIV>>intended explination for the connection...
                  ><DIV></DIV>>
                  ><DIV></DIV>>Ms May changed the storyline after it became evident that many readers
                  ><DIV></DIV>>had predicted this outcome in discussions on usenet. *shrug*
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                • Andrew MacDonald
                  ... I HIGHLY doubt that JM could have cared less about what readers had predicted on a medium which became most popular AFTER the book had been written. Get
                  Message 8 of 10 , Aug 20, 2001
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                    >From: Ian J Greely
                    >
                    >As I understand it the fury/hydra/felice+culluket link was the
                    >intended explination for the connection...
                    >
                    >Ms May changed the storyline after it became evident that many readers
                    >had predicted this outcome in discussions on usenet. *shrug*
                    >
                     
                    I HIGHLY doubt that JM could have cared less about what readers had predicted on a medium which became most popular AFTER the book had been written.
                     


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                  • Ndvv KSC
                    I HIGHLY doubt that JM could have cared less about what readers had predicted on a medium which became most popular AFTER the book had been written. I have
                    Message 9 of 10 , Aug 21, 2001
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                      "I HIGHLY doubt that JM could have cared less about what readers had
                      predicted on a medium which became most popular AFTER the book had been
                      written."

                      I have to agree - from what I know she isn't even on the Internet (because
                      she thinks it's a waste of time or something) so I don't think she could
                      have cared less for those suggestions/speculations.

                      In the archive of this list there is a post referring to an interview (I
                      think it was "An afternoon with Julian May") with her though. Apparently,
                      she intended the Duality to turn out as the Carbuncle Rogi was carrying but
                      because many readers had quizzed her and made up theories about the story
                      turning out this way (probably at Sci-Fi conferences etc.), she ended up
                      leaving it open to speculation and scrapped the Duality/Carbuncle idea.
                      (This is made clear by the mention of the Duality still being buried in
                      Spain, it is mentioned because the Carbuncle looks similar to it)

                      Andrea
                    • Makr
                      ... This puzzles me... When are you claiming she wrote the Milieu trilogy? YEARS before the books were released I was involved on Usenet in several groups
                      Message 10 of 10 , Aug 22, 2001
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                        >I HIGHLY doubt that JM could have cared less about what readers had
                        >predicted on a medium which became most popular AFTER the book had been
                        >written.

                        This puzzles me...

                        When are you claiming she wrote the Milieu trilogy?

                        YEARS before the books were released I was involved on Usenet in several
                        groups discussing her work and predicting what would occur. And the
                        Duality/Carbuncle bit had already been argued to death.

                        And that was merely the Silver Age... the Golden Age occurred long before
                        I got online :)

                        Makr.

                        (I don't argue with your thesis that she didn't care what we predicted or
                        not.)

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                        Well I'm not seventeen
                        But I've cuts on my knees
                        Falling down as the winter
                        Takes one more cherry tree

                        - Tori Amos "Girl"
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