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  • James Kendrick
    If you need a place to vent about PoD, stop by my forum: www.jacurutu.com   It s good to hate with like minded people.   ... From: John Wolfe
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 2, 2009
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      If you need a place to vent about PoD, stop by my forum: www.jacurutu.com
       
      It's good to hate with like minded people.
       
      :)

      --- On Mon, 9/7/09, John Wolfe <jmw2@...> wrote:

      From: John Wolfe <jmw2@...>
      Subject: Re: [Julian-May-discuss] Re: What did Dennis know?
      To: Julian-May-discuss@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:49 AM

       
      mish1701 wrote:
      > Oh bloody hell, Mac, not Paul (of course) - I've been reading Paul of Dune, and have 'Paul' on the brain.
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      > Mish
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      > (Paul of Dune is rubbish, much like all the Dune prequel/sequels written by Brian Herbert, but I can't - STOP - READING - THEM aaarrgh)
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      > --- In Julian-May-discuss@ yahoogroups. com, Tauni Sandy <ishmaelian@ ...> wrote:
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      >> Timey wimey stuff aside (loved that!) AU was definitely Marc, not Paul.
      >> Paul was Marc's father, I believe.
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      >> regards -
      >> Tauni
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      >> mish1701 wrote:
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      >>> Hi (its been a while)
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      >>> as to Q1: The Family Ghost (AU) clearly knew, because he was Paul
      >>> *spoiler, I know... but hey, we're all friends here* and had been
      >>> through the whole thing to its nasty climax. He just kept quiet
      >>> because if he had interfered he wouldn't have existed
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      >>> Wibbly-wobbly Timey-wimey stuff, isn't it. *
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      >>> Mish
      >>>
      >>> *Dr.Who reference
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      >>>
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      If anything, Dennis suspected, but didn't know for sure. He took the
      oath to off Fury along with the others, remember. If he knew for sure,
      he would have committed suicide, which otherwise would have been
      unthinkable due to his Catholic upbringing.

      By the way, I'm currently reading JM's "Ironcrown" series. It's not as
      easy a read as her other stuff, believe me!

    • Caliban
      ... Unifex had no reason to lie to Rogi at that stage of the game, so I am taking it as read that Unifex did not know who Fury was, until it was revealed in by
      Message 2 of 12 , Jul 6, 2010
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        --- In Julian-May-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary <rosemary@...> wrote:
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        > I am pretty sure at some point, Atoning Unifex said he did not know the identity of Fury. If he was telling the truth, which I doubt, I guess he would have found out upon Rogi's recording it in the memoir.
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        > -RM

        Unifex had no reason to lie to Rogi at that stage of the game, so I am taking it as read that Unifex did not know who Fury was, until it was revealed in by Rogi in the writing of his memoirs.

        At the time that the Dynasty was planning the Christmas Surprise to redact Denis, Marc was out of touch with the family, pursuing his own CE research and laying the foundations of Mental Man and the Metapsychic Rebellion. He seems to have believed the family's story that Denis had died in his sleep.

        Atoning Unifex and, following his injunction, the other four members of the Lylmik supervisory quincunx, was not interested in preventing the crimes of Hydra or of Fury. Although Unifex did occasionally confront Fury within the mental latices, he seems not to have known who Fury's host persona was.

        Did Denis know? I do not think so, at least not consciously, or else I feel he would have gone to his Jesuit mentors for counsel. I think subconsciously, the awareness was there, which manifested as his aversion to allowing others into his mind, declining to accept office as a Magnate of the Concilium, and so on.

        Further, he may have been trying to grapple with the possibility when he felt compelled to write "Criminal Insanity in the Metapsychic Mind", which would seem to refer to Victor, but is also a great big clue to the reader.
      • Padraig Timmins
        And one thing that simply does not make sense is AU s confirming to Fury that Fury sat outside AU s prescience. Now I can believe that AU could and would
        Message 3 of 12 , Jul 6, 2010
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          And one thing that simply does not make sense is AU's confirming to Fury that Fury sat outside AU's prescience.  Now I can believe that AU could and would willingly lie to Fury.  Besides Julian May doesn't do time paradoxes, so there is no way Fury could have won.

          Cheers


          Padraig

          On 6 July 2010 19:11, Caliban <daniel.davison23@...> wrote:
           



          --- In Julian-May-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary <rosemary@...> wrote:
          >
          > I am pretty sure at some point, Atoning Unifex said he did not know the identity of Fury. If he was telling the truth, which I doubt, I guess he would have found out upon Rogi's recording it in the memoir.
          >
          > -RM

          Unifex had no reason to lie to Rogi at that stage of the game, so I am taking it as read that Unifex did not know who Fury was, until it was revealed in by Rogi in the writing of his memoirs.

          At the time that the Dynasty was planning the Christmas Surprise to redact Denis, Marc was out of touch with the family, pursuing his own CE research and laying the foundations of Mental Man and the Metapsychic Rebellion. He seems to have believed the family's story that Denis had died in his sleep.

          Atoning Unifex and, following his injunction, the other four members of the Lylmik supervisory quincunx, was not interested in preventing the crimes of Hydra or of Fury. Although Unifex did occasionally confront Fury within the mental latices, he seems not to have known who Fury's host persona was.

          Did Denis know? I do not think so, at least not consciously, or else I feel he would have gone to his Jesuit mentors for counsel. I think subconsciously, the awareness was there, which manifested as his aversion to allowing others into his mind, declining to accept office as a Magnate of the Concilium, and so on.

          Further, he may have been trying to grapple with the possibility when he felt compelled to write "Criminal Insanity in the Metapsychic Mind", which would seem to refer to Victor, but is also a great big clue to the reader.


        • maakull
          Hi! I think Marc as Atoning Unifex may have know. I believe AU helped save Dorothea from the Hydra attack and as stated by an earlier response, after 6 million
          Message 4 of 12 , Apr 6, 2011
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            Hi! I think Marc as Atoning Unifex may have know. I believe AU helped save Dorothea from the Hydra attack and as stated by an earlier response, after 6 million years, I'm quite sure he was vast in his mind powers and could have figured out who they all were. PLUS, after his sister Madeleine sabotaged Marc's Mental Man project, which I think he figured out, wouldn't he as AU be watching for it at the very least, to see how she accomplished it all and then see she was also in cahoots with grandfather Denis and her cousins? But if she had not sabotaged it, Marc would have been sucessful and maybe never had his finale encouter with Jon, negating any reason to flee to the Plicone which in turn may have altered the entire course of the Unity within the Galaxy and none of it would ever have happened. SO in the end AU could only stand by and watch and let it play it as it always was supposed to then, now and to come! WHEW!!!

            --- In Julian-May-discuss@yahoogroups.com, Rosemary <rosemary@...> wrote:
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            > I think Dennis must have had an inkling, particularly with respect to your
            > first point, below. I also think Lucille must have had her suspicions.
            >
            > Some of the characters in her books show an extreme form of denial, so maybe
            > #3 would not have been such a given. For example, when Marc is in the orb,
            > he sees the constellation of Hydra but it only makes him think of stars and
            > not the family problems he is blocking out.
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            > I am pretty sure at some point, Atoning Unifex said he did not know the
            > identity of Fury. If he was telling the truth, which I doubt, I guess he
            > would have found out upon Rogi's recording it in the memoir.
            >
            > -RM
            >
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