Re: [Julian-May-discuss] Carbuncle
> That's an interesting theory, but I don't thinkYes, I can't really convince myself that there was
> there was any remains of
> Marc's physical form once he transfigured. After
> all, when water turns into
> steam, there's not much left of the water (it's a
> crude analogy but the
> first one that came to mind!).
anything left of Marc in the physical sense. And
probably not in any other sense either. But, as
someone mentioned last week the Lylmik have form in
the mental lattices and manifest their mental presence
on the physical lattices. This does not preclude there
being 'substance' of a kind (i know this is very
imprecise) in those mental lattices - obviously
dynamic field physics operates by different laws that
which Einsteinian physics does (just as Einsteinian
physics differ from/improve on Newtonian systems).
That is the major problem with metapsychology in OUR
world - by our accepted laws of physics it can not
exist (I need more research on this I can see...do we
have any physicists on the list who can broaden our
understanding of metaphysics??).
It is the same problem with modern psychology - all
that we can prove within the bounds offered us by the
natural sciences in their current incarnation is the
knowledge of neurons acting on neurons. Nothing can be
proven that anything beyond the body itself and its
physical workings exists. Obviously, many people are
convinced that this is incorrect, that we simply need
to find more out about our world and the bounds of
science will expand to allow room for the explanation
of phenomena which currently seem inexplicable (e.g.
mind, soul or spirit as opposed to brain). What can be
manipulated can be proven - at the moment we
manipulate the actions of the brain but not of the
mind. I hope this will change one day (indeed, it is
my greatest hope to see this changed!)
The Lylmik must have a form in the mental lattices
which could be recreated (obviously, for as well all
know 'Trend and Concordance did manage it once before,
way back in Fa-Time'<laugh>). This implys that there
is some substance to their body even if it was not of
the form we hold. After all, Jack is said to be more
like the Lylmik in his mental structure than a human.
Perhaps if one lives for long enough in the mental
lattices alone one gradually accumulates a form there.
Perhaps this is how Marc managed his transformation
into a Lylmik. And I can't help thinking that some of
his form must have gone with his mind into the mental
lattices. Which would mean his body would have been
destroyed, I would assume.
> is true then it would perhaps explain why theBut Felice was a much more powerful MP than him and
> Duality is a ruby, because
> Culleket was a powerful (red) Redactor, and it
> Hmm> became the dominant colour.
she had no redactive ability. She was primarily a
coercor-creator, while Culluket was a coercor-redactor
(though he was in the Redactor's Guild under Dionket).
I would give their gem the colour blue if that was so.
> ..sidetracking for a minute, if Marc is 'blue'If it wasn't for that interesting tidbit (you must
> and Liz is 'red' it's
> probably more than coincidence that the first thing
> they see after they
> d-jump to the Duat galaxy is a newly created
> blue/red double
> star....symbolising themselves?
have _really_ read the end of ADVERSARY!!)I don't
think I would be so literal about the colours...
> >I think it likely that the Carbuncle would haveMAGNIFICAT p163 (Harper Collins 1997)
> >as a metapsychic amplifier, not just for
> >but for all metafaculties. Obviously the device was
> >not difficult to activate either, for Rogi did it
> >without thinking on more than one occasion.
> >The conclusion that Ti-Jean comes to is that it is
> >Lylmik artifact, an artificial diamond with an
> >infitesimal flaw in the center that could have been
> >machine of some kind (i'll chase up the exact qte
> >I get a chance)
'And right at the centre of the red diamond sphere is
a sizable molecular anomaly that coud be an
infinitesimal natural flaw but is more likely an
artifact. The Carbuncle is some kind of machine, maybe
a subspace transmitter, maybe much more' - Jack
Yes, to reiterate, probably an amplifier for MP
powers, and much much more.
> It seems logical to me that the Carbuncle was anNot sure....maybe that was why the other great
> artificially created
> metapsychic amplifier, and I like your theory Leda
> about how it could
> possibly cohese the five powers into one, which is
> Unity. Hmm. Does this
> mean that because Jack and Diamond were both High
> Fives, it was easier for
> them to comprehend what Unity *was*, and thus
> communicate this to others in
> - Nicolette
proponents of Unity in DIAMOND and MAGNIFICAT were
Denis, Anne and Paul, all of whom, as we have
discussed, were probably the strongest metapsychics in
the Milieu series aside from the three paramounts.
Most well rounded as well (all high fives). Doesn't
explain why Marc was such a psycho about unity though.
Actually, he wasn't psycho about it he didn't care
either way, until he got to the Duat system where he
TOO became a champion of unity - ultimately, THE
champion of UNity.
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>Not sure....maybe that was why the other greatI found that really ironic that Marc eventually became a convert to Unity in
>proponents of Unity in DIAMOND and MAGNIFICAT were
>Denis, Anne and Paul, all of whom, as we have
>discussed, were probably the strongest metapsychics in
>the Milieu series aside from the three paramounts.
>Most well rounded as well (all high fives). Doesn't
>explain why Marc was such a psycho about unity though.
>Actually, he wasn't psycho about it he didn't care
>either way, until he got to the Duat system where he
>TOO became a champion of unity - ultimately, THE
>champion of UNity.
Duat, LOL. No, he wasn't psycho about Unity, but he was never cared for it
either, because it was about being connected to people, which would have
meant letting people inside his mind which he rarely did. There's a bit in
JtB where he says how he and his twin Matthieu fought each other while in
utero and Matthieu lost, and died. So really, the first lesson Marc learnt
that being too close to people is dangerous, and if he didn't keep up a
strong mind shield then he would be too vulnerable to those around him.