Re: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNA
- Tamar, I would have preferred private correspondence with Harvey but I don't have his email address. I hope this thread is now at an end and don't wish to waste the time other Group members.JoshFrom: Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNA
To Josh and Harvey,Please be aware that your correspondence on JewishKeidan is totally public.TamarJerusalemHarvey,I would like to give you the names of my matches, but I think that is private information controlled by FTDNA. For that reason, I withheld the names of my matches---they are not named Kaplan. I have worked out an alternative solution. In previous posts I have mentioned the genealogical website Geni. I have checked out Geni and much of the information you seek is listed there. Just search for Yitzchak father of Zalman Kaplan, or Zalman son of Yitzchak.JoshFrom: Harvey Kaplan <rvlkaplan@...>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNAJoshDoes that mean that you have been matched by a great grandson of Yitzchak? If so, wouldn't the first step be for this person and me to compare notes to see if anything fits?HarveyOn 30 September 2012 19:34, Josh Weinstein <jgw111@...> wrote:Harvey,My FF match was the greatgrandson of Yitzhak Kaplan of Grinkiskis. A FF test might provide partial clarity since the other records are incomplete.JoshSent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNAJoshMy earliest-known Kaplan ancestor seems to have been Yitzchok (Isaac/Itsko/Itsyk) Kaplan, born in the late 18th century (1790s?). The 1840 Box Taxpayers list for Ariogala tells us that Abram David, son of Itsyk, ‘resides in Grinkiskis’. Presumably he actually worked in Ariogala, as the 1844 Box Taxpayers list shows Abram David Kaplan as a ‘day labourer.’A list of craftsmen in Ariogala from 1852 includes Abram David, son of Itsko Kaplan, aged 43 (born c1809), described as a brick-layer from Krakes (another nearby town, see below) and Eliash, son of Abram David Kaplan, aged 18 (born c1834).My Kaplan family is listed in Ariogala until the 1880s, when my great grandfather, Levi Kaplan, married his first cousin Leah Fayn of Josvainiai, c1885-86. They shortly after moved to Glasgow, Scotland, but some of the family lived in Keidan in the late 1880s.HarveyOn 30 September 2012 14:36, Josh Weinstein <jgw111@...> wrote:Harvey,Are you related to the Kaplans of Grinkiskis. If so, we might be third cousins or closer. I have a third cousin match with a member of the Grinkiskis family. If your branch moved from Grinkiskis to Keidan we might have a closer relationship than Kaplans who remained there.JoshSent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:26 AM
Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNAJoshHaving spent the money on the first test, it just seems a lot of money to lay out now without being convinced it would bring results. Any connections would have to be way back in the 19th century, I reckon.what makes you think there's a link between our families? - I know that Kaplan and Fayn were quite common names in the revision lists in this area in the 19th century and it's hard to link up a lot of the familiesHarveyOn 30 September 2012 01:34, Josh Weinstein <jgw111@...> wrote:Harvey,I understand why you believe that Family Finder is of little value for you (I wish I had your information). Too bad, you might have been my closest match, seriously.JoshFrom: Josh Weinstein <jgw111@...>
To: "JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com" <JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNAHarvey,Yes, that's what you get. It depends on whether genealogical records are complete. For example, Keidan town records are quite incomplete. I doubt if most Keidan families have complete records going back six generations. To quote Donald Rumsfeld, it's a matter of unknown knowns and unknown unknowns. My situation is typical. I have 1300 Family Finder matches with 1000 new matches per year at the current rate--- over 200 second, third and fourth cousins.. In my case none of the names were familiar from my family tree, but I only have decent information on one of my grandparental lines. I doubt if anyone who tests for Family Finder will be familiar with 2300 names, but I could be wrong. By the way our rate will probably be $199.JoshFTDNA FamilyFinder test offers to 'connect you with relatives descended from any of your ancestral lines from approximately the most recent five to six generations.'Does that mean connecting you with possible descendants of your great great grandparents etc? If so, I reckon I know virtually all of the descendants of my Lithuanian great great grandparents. Am I reading it wrongly?Harvey KaplanGlasgow, ScotlandOn 29 September 2012 18:55, Howard Wolinsky <howard.wolinsky@...> wrote:Harvey,
I don't think we have reached any conclusions as a group.
A couple people have decided on their own to take the FamikyFinder test at FTDNA. You might want to check it out.
So we seem to be. Drifting toward FTDNA. 23andme has yetbo respond to me.
At least, maybe we can fold all our findings into one site amnd see if there are patterns.
On Saturday, September 29, 2012, Harvey Kaplan <rvlkaplan@...> wrote:
>much are we talking about?
> Thanks Josh - haven't ruled it out, but have lost sight of the ball! How
>information would be quite helpful in itself. However in your own case additional testing might be of value. I have two Family Finder matches with the grandchildren of Zalman Kaplan of Krinkiskis.
> On 29 September 2012 16:56, Josh Weinstein <jgw111@...> wrote:
>> Harvey, It is fine if you do not have additional testing. Your current
>>their families (they were first cousins: Kaplan and Fayn) lived in nearby Ariogola and Josvainiai a generation earlier.
>> From: Harvey Kaplan <rvlkaplan@...>
>> To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Re: Flash sale at FamilyTreeDNA
>> Please remind me about what we are arranging here.
>> My father's paternal grandparents lived in Keidan in the 1880s, but
>> My 12-marker FTDNA kit no. from a few years ago (Ariogala project)is 100061. Since 2010, I've had only 1 person contact me about a match and we couldn't work out any obvious connection. I need to be persuaded to spend more (how much?) money on this proposed project.
>> thanksset up and kindly notify Bennett Greenspan on my behalf. My kit number is 113707. Only my FF (autosomal) DNA test results are relevant for these purposes as opposed to my mtDNA (my maternal line was Galitzianer).
>> On 29 September 2012 15:24, adagreen@... <adagreen@...> wrote:
>> Howard and Josh,
>> Please include me in the DNA group for Keidaners at FTDNA once it is
>> Ada Green
>> --- In mailto:JewishKeidan%40yahoogroups.com, Howard Wolinsky
>> >group for
>> > In any case, Jsoh Weinstein and I have started to set up a DNA
>> > Keidaners at FTDNA. That's not a formal endorsement, It's justsomething we
>> > can.our DNA
>> > It would help to have a show of hands of how many intend to join
>> > project.have your
>> > If any of you have already been tested at FTDNA, it would help to
>> > Kit No. For the record, I am No. 65. (ANd as it happens I will be65 years
>> > old tomorrow.)--
>> > --
>> > Howard Wolinsky
>> > 708-799-0635 (landline)
>> > 312-909-2381 (mobile)
>> > howardwolinsky (Skype)
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HowardOn Sep 29, 2012 4:49 AM, "adagreen@..." <adagreen@...> wrote:
Howard and Josh,
Please include me in the DNA group for Keidaners at FTDNA once it is set up and kindly notify Bennett Greenspan on my behalf. My kit number is 113707. Only my FF (autosomal) DNA test results are relevant for these purposes as opposed to my mtDNA (my maternal line was Galitzianer).
--- In JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com, Howard Wolinsky <howard.wolinsky@...> wrote:
> In any case, Jsoh Weinstein and I have started to set up a DNA group for
> Keidaners at FTDNA. That's not a formal endorsement, It's just something we
> It would help to have a show of hands of how many intend to join our DNA
> If any of you have already been tested at FTDNA, it would help to have your
> Kit No. For the record, I am No. 65. (ANd as it happens I will be 65 years
> old tomorrow.)
> Howard Wolinsky
> 708-799-0635 (landline)
> 312-909-2381 (mobile)
> howardwolinsky (Skype)