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  • Marla
    Andy, Thanks so much for sharing the article. Marla Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone
    Message 1 of 16 , Aug 17, 2011
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      Andy,
      Thanks so much for sharing the article.
      Marla

      Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone

      awcassel <acassel@...> wrote:

      >You might be interested in this article posted today on the Jewish Forward website:
      >
      >http://www.forward.com/articles/141461/#
      >
      >Best,
      >
      >ac
      >
    • margery@ix.netcom.com
      Thanks, Andy. See you Sunday. Margery Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: Marla Sender: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com Date:
      Message 2 of 16 , Aug 17, 2011
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        Thanks, Andy. See you Sunday.

        Margery

        Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


        From: Marla <marla113@...>
        Sender: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:23:58 -0500
        To: <JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com>
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        Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] Forward article

         

        Andy,
        Thanks so much for sharing the article.
        Marla

        Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Android phone

        awcassel <acassel@...> wrote:

        >You might be interested in this article posted today on the Jewish Forward website:
        >
        >http://www.forward.com/articles/141461/#
        >
        >Best,
        >
        >ac
        >

      • Barbera Levin
        Hi Andy, Thanks for this article, so interesting. Wish I knew of other Keidan descendents living in Britain. Do you? I will remember in my own way but wish I
        Message 3 of 16 , Aug 17, 2011
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          Hi Andy,

           

          Thanks for this article, so interesting. Wish I knew of other Keidan descendents living in Britain . Do you? I will remember in my own way but wish I could have shared with those in Israel or in New York .

           

          Best wishes

          Barbara Levin London UK


          From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of awcassel
          Sent: 17 August 2011 14:09
          To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [JewishKeidan] Forward article

           

           

          You might be interested in this article posted today on the Jewish Forward website:

          http://www.forward.com/articles/141461/#

          Best,

          ac

        • Tamar Dothan
          Dear all, I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.
          Message 4 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
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            Dear all,

            I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

             

            If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

             

            Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

             

            Thanks,

            Tamar Dothan

            Jerusalem

          • Tamar Dothan
            Hello, I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are
            Message 5 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
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              Hello,

              I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

              Tamar Dothan

              Jerusalem

               

              From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
              Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
              To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

               

               

               

              Dear all,

              I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

               

              If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

               

              Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

               

              Thanks,

              Tamar Dothan

              Jerusalem


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            • Sara
              Tamar That s great! I wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be. Thanks for the initiative. Sara ... From: Tamar Dothan To:
              Message 6 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
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                Tamar
                That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.
                Thanks for the initiative.
                Sara
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM
                Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                 

                Hello,

                I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                Tamar Dothan

                Jerusalem

                From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                 

                Dear all,

                I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                Thanks,

                Tamar Dothan

                Jerusalem


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              • Tamar Dothan
                Hello, Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list - I think this is his main source of data. He wants to
                Message 7 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
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                  Hello,

                   

                  Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.

                   

                  I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.

                   

                  He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.

                   

                  After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.

                   

                  I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.

                   

                  Tamar

                   

                  From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                  To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                   

                   

                  Tamar
                  That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.

                  Thanks for the initiative.

                  Sara

                   

                  ----- Original Message -----

                  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM

                  Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                   

                   

                  Hello,

                  I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                  Tamar Dothan

                  Jerusalem

                  From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                  To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                   

                  Dear all,

                  I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                  If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                  Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                  Thanks,

                  Tamar Dothan

                  Jerusalem


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                • Harvey Kaplan
                  Great project! Harvey Kaplan Glasgow, Scotland (descended from Kaplans and Fayns in Keidan in the 1880s) PS - attached photo is me and Rimantas Zirgulis in the
                  Message 8 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
                  Great project!
                   
                  Harvey Kaplan
                  Glasgow, Scotland
                   
                  (descended from Kaplans and Fayns in Keidan in the 1880s)
                   
                  PS - attached photo is me and Rimantas Zirgulis in the museum in 2005

                   
                  On 18 August 2011 21:05, Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...> wrote:
                   

                  Hello,

                   

                  Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.

                   

                  I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.

                   

                  He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.

                   

                  After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.

                   

                  I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.

                   

                  Tamar

                   

                  From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                  To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                   

                   

                  Tamar
                  That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.

                  Thanks for the initiative.

                  Sara

                   

                  ----- Original Message -----

                  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM

                  Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                   

                   

                  Hello,

                  I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                  Tamar Dothan

                  Jerusalem

                  From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                  Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                  To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                   

                  Dear all,

                  I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                  If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                  Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                  Thanks,

                  Tamar Dothan

                  Jerusalem


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                • Tamar Dothan
                  Hello again, I am including part of a message I received this evening from Rimantas Zirgulis. we are going to notice all 2076 victims, burried in that grave.
                  Message 9 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
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                    Hello again,

                     

                    I am including part of a message I received this evening from Rimantas Zirgulis.

                    " we are going to notice all 2076 victims, burried in that grave. So we will write full name with surname (if we know).

                    If we don't know name - we will write only surname, or will write only name without surname and instead lost

                    names/surnames probably we will show questuion-marks. And to notice totaly unknown persons we are going to cut Magen David. So I would like to show all we lost..."

                     

                    Based on that I suggest that each of us sends Mr. Zirgulis a list of our relatives murdered on Aug. 28 1941. I don't know if he is going to group them in family groups, but I suggest that we send the names in  family groups.  Please add also years of birth when you know them. As there were several people with the same names, placing them within their families and adding their years of birth will help to know when  these are two different persons  or just the same person appearing in two lists [ours and Yad Vashem].

                     

                    When you know only first names, or only last names [like when you don't know a kid's or a spouse's name], please include them too.

                     

                    Address your e- mail to:

                    Rimantas Zirgulis

                    Director of Kedainiai Regional Museum

                    muziejus@...

                     

                    Tamar Dothan

                    Jerusalem

                     

                     

                     

                    From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Harvey Kaplan
                    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:20 PM
                    To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims [1 Attachment]

                     

                     

                    [Attachment(s) from Harvey Kaplan included below]

                    Great project!

                     

                    Harvey Kaplan

                    Glasgow, Scotland

                     

                    (descended from Kaplans and Fayns in Keidan in the 1880s)

                     

                    PS - attached photo is me and Rimantas Zirgulis in the museum in 2005


                     

                    On 18 August 2011 21:05, Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...> wrote:

                     

                    Hello,

                     

                    Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.

                     

                    I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.

                     

                    He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.

                     

                    After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.

                     

                    I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.

                     

                    Tamar

                     

                    From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                    To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                     

                     

                    Tamar
                    That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.

                    Thanks for the initiative.

                    Sara

                     

                    ----- Original Message -----

                    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM

                    Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                     

                     

                    Hello,

                    I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                    Tamar Dothan

                    Jerusalem

                    From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                    To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                     

                    Dear all,

                    I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                    If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                    Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                    Thanks,

                    Tamar Dothan

                    Jerusalem


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                  • Max Munk
                    Mr. Harvey Kaplan, Are you related to the famous genious of Keidan, Rabbi Dr. A. Kaplan. If yes please tell me how? Max Munk ... Mr. Harvey Kaplan, Are you
                    Message 10 of 16 , Aug 18, 2011
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                      Mr. Harvey Kaplan,
                      Are you related to the famous genious of Keidan, Rabbi Dr. A. Kaplan.
                      If yes please tell me how?
                      Max Munk

                      On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Harvey Kaplan <rvlkaplan@...> wrote:
                       
                      [Attachment(s) from Harvey Kaplan included below]

                      Great project!
                       
                      Harvey Kaplan
                      Glasgow, Scotland
                       
                      (descended from Kaplans and Fayns in Keidan in the 1880s)
                       
                      PS - attached photo is me and Rimantas Zirgulis in the museum in 2005

                       
                      On 18 August 2011 21:05, Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...> wrote:
                       

                      Hello,

                       

                      Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.

                       

                      I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.

                       

                      He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.

                       

                      After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.

                       

                      I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.

                       

                      Tamar

                       

                      From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                      Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                      To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                       

                       

                      Tamar
                      That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.

                      Thanks for the initiative.

                      Sara

                       

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM

                      Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                       

                       

                      Hello,

                      I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                      Tamar Dothan

                      Jerusalem

                      From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                      Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                      To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                       

                      Dear all,

                      I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                      If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                      Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                      Thanks,

                      Tamar Dothan

                      Jerusalem


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                    • Harvey Kaplan
                      Max Not related to this man, as far as I know. Kaplan is quite a common Lithuanian Jewish surname. Harvey Kaplan ... Max   Not related to this man, as far as
                      Message 11 of 16 , Aug 19, 2011
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                        Max
                         
                        Not related to this man, as far as I know.  Kaplan is quite a common Lithuanian Jewish surname.
                         
                        Harvey Kaplan

                        On 19 August 2011 03:08, Max Munk <nossonmunk@...> wrote:
                         

                        Mr. Harvey Kaplan,
                        Are you related to the famous genious of Keidan, Rabbi Dr. A. Kaplan.
                        If yes please tell me how?
                        Max Munk

                        On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Harvey Kaplan <rvlkaplan@...> wrote:
                         
                        [Attachment(s) from Harvey Kaplan included below]

                        Great project!
                         
                        Harvey Kaplan
                        Glasgow, Scotland
                         
                        (descended from Kaplans and Fayns in Keidan in the 1880s)
                         
                        PS - attached photo is me and Rimantas Zirgulis in the museum in 2005

                         
                        On 18 August 2011 21:05, Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...> wrote:
                         

                        Hello,

                         

                        Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.

                         

                        I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.

                         

                        He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.

                         

                        After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.

                         

                        I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.

                         

                        Tamar

                         

                        From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                        Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                        To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                         

                         

                        Tamar
                        That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.

                        Thanks for the initiative.

                        Sara

                         

                        ----- Original Message -----

                        Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM

                        Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                         

                         

                        Hello,

                        I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                        Tamar Dothan

                        Jerusalem

                        From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                        Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                        To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                         

                        Dear all,

                        I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                        If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                        Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                        Thanks,

                        Tamar Dothan

                        Jerusalem


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                      • Sharon
                        I was wondering if someone could forward the following note to Mr. Zirgulis for me--I doubt that my dad submitted a testimony sheet at Yad Vashem,. I would
                        Message 12 of 16 , Aug 19, 2011
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                          I was wondering if someone could forward the following note to Mr. Zirgulis for me--I doubt that my dad submitted a testimony sheet at Yad Vashem,. I would like to send the following vicitms: Reze Shterenfeld (daite?) Zilberas (or Zilber, not sure which is correct in Lithuanian, my grandmother, a dressmaker who ran a sewing school for girls in Keidan (her parents, Yousel and Beyle Etl Shterenfeld are buried in the Jewish graveyard of Keidan), her sister Mere Shterenfeld Finkelshtein, and her sister's husband, also Finkelshtein who was a lawyer in Keidan (my mother says he was a former mayor of the town but I never heard my father say so). I know he was quite elderly and infirm and so had to be transported to the place where the Jews were held before being killed in the woods by wheelbarrow My grandmother Reze was born in 1870 and so was 71. I will be away for the next week on vacation so will be difficult/impossible for me to send or respond to emails after today. I know there were also another sister who was oldest, Chana Shterenfeld Rabinovich who had at least 3 children and at least one of them, one of the sons also named Rabinovich was killed with his wife and 2 children in Keidan (some of the others were killed in Kovno) but I don't know which son it was, or the other names, only that it was the Rabinovich family. Not sure who among the Lurie cousins was killed either but would like to have my grandmother and my father's aunt and uncle who helped raise him listed. They were all killed in August 1941. Thanks, Sharon.



                          -----Original Message-----
                          From: Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
                          To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2011 9:01 am
                          Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                           
                          Hello,
                          I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.
                          Tamar Dothan
                          Jerusalem
                           
                          From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                          Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                          To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims
                           
                           
                           
                          Dear all,
                          I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.
                           
                          If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.
                           
                          Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?
                           
                          Thanks,
                          Tamar Dothan
                          Jerusalem

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                        • Sonja Shacknofsky
                          I know that a male had the suffix as As in our name was Seting it would be Setingas and the female was ai that would make it Setingai.
                          Message 13 of 16 , Aug 19, 2011
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                            I know that a male had the suffix as As in our name was Seting it would be Setingas and the female was ai that would make it Setingai.


                            From: Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...>
                            To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:05 PM
                            Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                             
                            Hello,
                             
                            Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.
                             
                            I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.
                             
                            He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.
                             
                            After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.
                             
                            I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.
                             
                            Tamar
                             
                            From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                            Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                            To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims
                             
                             
                            Tamar
                            That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.
                            Thanks for the initiative.
                            Sara
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM
                            Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims
                             
                             
                            Hello,
                            I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.
                            Tamar Dothan
                            Jerusalem
                            From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                            Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                            To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims
                             
                            Dear all,
                            I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.
                            If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.
                            Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?
                            Thanks,
                            Tamar Dothan
                            Jerusalem

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                          • Edward E Just
                            Hello Max,   Who is Dr. A. Kaplan?   I have traced my Kaplan family (via my pgm) in Vandziogala, Zeimiai and Kedainiai from the 1840 s thru the 1910 s in
                            Message 14 of 16 , Aug 26, 2011
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                              Hello Max,
                               
                              Who is Dr. A. Kaplan?
                               
                              I have traced my Kaplan family (via my pgm) in Vandziogala, Zeimiai and Kedainiai from the 1840's thru the 1910's in Kedainiai.
                               
                              I have an Abel-Morduch (Abraham-Itzhik) Kaplan, son of Yudel Kaplan.  Abraham was born  in 1835 and died in 1908.
                               
                              Abraham supposedly make trip(s) to Jerusalem and was active  in Vilnius.
                               
                              Ed Just

                              --- On Thu, 8/18/11, Max Munk <nossonmunk@...> wrote:

                              From: Max Munk <nossonmunk@...>
                              Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims
                              To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Thursday, August 18, 2011, 9:08 PM

                               
                              Mr. Harvey Kaplan,
                              Are you related to the famous genious of Keidan, Rabbi Dr. A. Kaplan.
                              If yes please tell me how?
                              Max Munk

                              On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Harvey Kaplan <rvlkaplan@...> wrote:
                               
                              [Attachment(s) from Harvey Kaplan included below]
                              Great project!
                               
                              Harvey Kaplan
                              Glasgow, Scotland
                               
                              (descended from Kaplans and Fayns in Keidan in the 1880s)
                               
                              PS - attached photo is me and Rimantas Zirgulis in the museum in 2005

                               
                              On 18 August 2011 21:05, Tamar Dothan <dothan-t@...> wrote:
                               

                              Hello,

                               

                              Mr. Zirgulis from the Kedainiai museum answered me very  quickly. He has the Yad Vashem list – I think this is his main source of data. He wants to include only the names of people from Keidan and surroundings who were murdered on Aug.  28, 1941 [ those buried in the mass grave]. So he is going through the Yad Vashem  Keidan list  to get the names.

                               

                              I don't know whether he is reading  the translations of the original POTs, or just going through the list he got from Yad Vashem.

                               

                              He plans to write first and last names, as written in Lithuanian. In Lithuanian the last names have different suffixes for men, married women, and non-married women. As the original Pages of Testimony are mostly  in Hebrew or  Yiddish the last names don't have these suffixes.  So he  cannot always  tell by the name the person's  gender, and he can't tell if a  woman was married.

                               

                              After he prepares the list, he will send it to me, so I can go over it and correct mistakes. I guess this will demand   reading each original POT. I will probably ask for some of you to help me.

                               

                              I also asked him if he wants us to send him names of people we know were murdered on Aug. 28, as I assume not everybody has filled out ages of Testimony for each known relative. I'll let you all know when he answers that.

                               

                              Tamar

                               

                              From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sara
                              Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:02 PM
                              To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                               

                               

                              Tamar
                              That's great!  I  wanted to do the same.I wonder what the answer will be.

                              Thanks for the initiative.

                              Sara

                               

                              ----- Original Message -----

                              Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:01 PM

                              Subject: RE: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                               

                               

                              Hello,

                              I just wrote to mr. Rimantas Zirgulis the director of the Kedainiai museum [thanks to Andy for giving me his e mail address], asking if they are interested in our help in getting Keidan victims' names from the Yad Vashem POT. I'll update you  with his reply.

                              Tamar Dothan

                              Jerusalem

                              From: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com [mailto:JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tamar Dothan
                              Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:21 AM
                              To: JewishKeidan@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [JewishKeidan] List of Keidan ww2 victims

                               

                              Dear all,

                              I have an idea, concerning the plan of the Keidan museum and municipality to  have a stone plaque with the names of the victims put up in September.

                              If they have not done it yet, and if is not too late, we could suggest that we go through the on line  Yad Vashem pages of Testimony, to look for last names.  We could divide the job among several of us, to make it faster.

                              Andy, could you please find out if the Kedainiai people would be interested in us doing  that?

                              Thanks,

                              Tamar Dothan

                              Jerusalem


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